syedna's forthcoming visit California tthis weekend

[Above Average Bohra]

This is truly disgusting. Bush is the president of this great nation and he uses such language in front of his peon. I would never use such language because of the women in my family. This boat sure is rocking.

[mumin_mukhlish]

Mr Fatwa,
This is not ur Azgar's poor progressive fatwa which any of his peon(Chella insaf,Noman etc.) can make it signed by him

[mumin_mukhlish]

Is Baar to kuch jyada hi jal gayee
Jor ka jhatka bahut jor se laga

[Fatwa Banker]

Brother set your goals higher ! Don't be content with no letter...think about it...a leader of 1 million people and no invitation to the White House ! Even the college baseball teams are invited !

I have an idea...think about it... I mean reely reely think about it. You guys are short-changing yourselves with this 52 unit crap. You are praying that he lives till keeyamat, right ?That means you are stuck at 52 units till Keeyamat ! Dumb financial move in my opinion ! Tie it to his age, that way you get a thousand extra units every year ! 52 today 93 next year (57% increase in revenue by following my advice) and by Keeyamat, you may even get invited for a photo-op in the White House !

Just imagine the headlines on Keeyamat day

[mumu]

Dear All Progressives,
Before speeking too much rubbish about the letter from Mr. Bush, can anyone (who has send the toilet papers to everyone) tell me that did they even got any simpathy lines from any bull shits. See no one even bothers what you send to them.

[tahir]

arre mumu bhaiyya.....please humko toilet papers mat do....tumhari community ka eik naya item aaya hai is board par "hero no.51-tyre chepuddin" ...usko tumhare toilet papers ki bahut zaroorat hai..

[mumin_mukhlish]

Tahir,
If you can't dare to bark any fruitful stmnt then keep quite and continue burnning in hell but don't try to divert the topic.

Try to make habit of digesting biiig failures and burniing in hell as it has become an on going routine to u jhannamis.

[tahir]

mumin mukhlish bhaiyya,
tumhari tarah mujhko phook ka pani naseeb nahi hua hai isliye mein tum jaisi "frootfull" batein nahi kar sakta..

[mumu]

Tahir,
Stop diverting the topic. If you are not having any solid answers dont let your A** in between.
And you Farid, what are you doing ? finding any other reason to sell your toilet papers to us.

[mumin110]

Originally posted by mbohra:
mumin_mukhlish:

Senator Gigantes:
“This is a weird, contentious, querulous sect from Bombay. It is proposed in this Bill that the tyrannical and much opposed leader of this sect be recognized by the Senate of Canada as a corporation sole, to be able to handle money of this sect without any control by a board of directors. Why? Because he has paid a fat fee to a Tory lawyer in Toronto, who happens to know the Leader of the Government, who has asked Senator Atkins to push this thing on us.

Jahannam ma pohchi gayo
Jahannam ma pohchi gayo

[mbohra]

Perhaps Sen Gigante's followers, relatives and family members DID NOT pray to Almighty Allah, as the Dawoodi Bohras do for their spiritual leaders , to grant him immortality till Roze-a-Qayamat (although 51 have died so far).

[mumin_mukhlish]

Article in local newspaper about masjid iftitah in Fremont

http://malumaat.com/pics/sanfrancisco14 ... ticle1.jpg

Mr. Farid, Where r u hiding ur face

[mumineen]

Not to put a crimp on your style:
InsideBayArea of August 9, 2005

http://www.insidebayarea.com/searchresults/ci_2919394

[saif]

Who is this Raj Munaim - a spokesperson of the community?

Either a converted Bohri or a Kothari lobbyist or a Public Relations Person.

What would would they think of next?

[mumin_mukhlish]

To Mr. Farid,
Arre Yaar don't try such a big failed attempt from next time otherwise woh Azgar apni biradari se nikal dega tumhe

[mumineen]

Another complaint in the Oakland Tribune

Crowds at new mosque bring congestion, concern

Author: Jonathan Jones, STAFF WRITER
Date: August 6, 2005
Publication: Oakland Tribune, The (CA)

FREMONT — Since last Sunday, Canyon Heights resident Rod Spikula has watched cars line up and down Old Canyon Road.

Although he was aware that a $4 million masjid, or mosque, was being built just down the road from his mobile home, Spikula said he was not prepared for the more than 1,000 people who have converged on his neighborhood this week.

"Nobody really warned us it would be like this," he said. "It gets crazy at night. They're blocking the road and

[Fatwa Banker]

I heard that 1 parking ticket earned while attempting Deedar (and annoying a neighbor) , is worth 1 lakh tickets to heaven.

Provided at least one “unit” is paid along with the illegal parking ticket…..

Watch out neighbors the assigned parking lot will be empty !

[Farid]

Please write a letter of protest to Kathy Pfrommer-News letter editor of Oakland Tribune -the bay area news papers-More we write better will be our voice of opposition--Thanks=

Dear Sir/madam:: I read your reporting about the inauguration of new
mosque in town Fremont -However you have not been told about some hard
facts about the visiting leader Syedna Mohd Burhanuddin's biography-He is
no angel of peace as he has never participated in any form to promote world
peace! Far from it he has ruthlessly suppressed any opposition movements
in the Bohra community whoever questioned his authority and illegal
possession of vast financial umpire in different parts of the world- He
does not like democracy and he is against reporting of annual accounting
of income and expenses of the community-He is against the western style of
hygiene ,banking etc- He is against the emancipation of women and wants
them to wear the Chador all the time -He is for the circumcision of females
as they reach puberty and also encourages the early marriages by age 16-18.
He encourages total boycott of families of any community member who dared
to question him on anything and he claims to be the the total owner ( both
spiritual & material )of each member of the community and the members are
supposed to be addressed as his slaves.he collects huge amount of religious
taxes annually from the followers and charges huge amount of money for
going to invited dinners and for the act of inauguration of mosques
etc-Furthermore all these religious properties are forced to get titled on
his name- I can go on & so forth! The millions of dollars that are
collected here are laundered away to safe harbors and used to purchase
luxurious real estate-The trust they have established here in USA is a
bogus one called " Dawat-E -Hadiyah,a supposedly public trust which does
not give any annual reports of accounting! His son Malekul Aster has been
under investigation by IRS for tax evasion & misappropriation of funds- I
may add in closing that the religion practiced by him & followers is far
from ISLAM and it is more like a classic CULT- I kindly request you to
read more on our reformed progressive bohra site--dawoodi-bohras.com where
in you can get to know the purpose of our movement- Please keep my name in
confidence as Syedna & his family will do undue harm to my family members
in India- Thank you for your kind attention-

[Farid]

The E-mail address to write letters is--

kfrommer@angnewspapers.com

[Farid]

Here is some more material to write to different people praising Syedna Saheb--
Syedna"s Slaves

Being born into a family of Dawoodi Bohras, a sub–sect among Shia Muslims, you do not automatically become a Dawoodi Bohra yourself. You become one on attaining puberty only after swearing an oath of allegiance — misaq — to the sect’s Dai (head priest). The present head priest is named Syedna Burhanuddin.

On the face of it, this appears to be a fine arrangement — you voluntarily choose to become a Dawoodi Bohra by accepting the oath of allegiance to the Dai. But that is theory. The fact is if you are born into a Dawoodi Bohra, you have very little choice at the age of puberty but to sign on the dotted line. And accepting the misaq is nothing short of agreeing to a state of life–long bondage to the head priest and his agents.

The oath means the acceptance of the Dai not merely as your religious head but also as absolute dictator controlling all aspects of the life of all members of the community. Among other things, the misaq document commits you to the following:

“If a person taking the oath breaks it, all his possessions, i.e., moveables, cash, housing, utensils, jewels, ornaments, carriages, horses, cattle, milching cows, she buffaloes, slaves, males and females, and all worldly material become unlawful for him. All his property is liable to be looted and distributed among the poor and the needy. When he takes the oath again and accepts all the terms of the covenant then his things become lawful to him and then he is entitled to get his things back.

“And if the breaker of the covenant has a wife, that wife becomes forbidden to him. The breach (of covenant) has the effect of the three talaaqs (divorce) against his wife… The woman can never marry him again, neither can he take her as a wife.”

Having accepted the misaq, be sure to seek the raza (consent) of the Syedna or his agents in everything you do. This means that marriage, construction of house, starting a business, opening a school or creating a trust, standing for elections, or even voting for a certain candidate is not possible without prior permission of the Dai. Any member who does not take the raza of the Syedna before any such actions is liable to baraat.

The breach of oath brings complete social ostracism or baraat. Baraat means total social boycott of the individual. Those socially boycotted can no longer associate with any other Dawoodi Bohra, not even their own family members, nor are they allowed entry in the community mosques or burial in the ancestral grounds.

The use of misaq, raza and baraat is intended to effectively and absolutely enslave members of the Bohra community to the head priest so as to allow him to financially exploit the community to the extent he wishes, and interfere in their social and secular affairs, virtually reducing them to the position of pawns and puppets in his hands.

To seek escape from the tyranny of the Syedna, reform–minded Bohras approached the human rights group Citizens for Democracy in 1978. The CFD appointed a Commission which came to be known as the Nathwani Commission. On the basis of the evidence placed before it, the Commission found “widespread violation of human rights of Bohra community members and recounted instances of mental and physical torture of those who raised their voice calling for truly religious functioning of the high priest against his authoritarian methods.”

Successive governments chose to ignore the recommendations of the Nathwani Commission even while the Syedna’s tyranny continued. As a result, a second commission comprising of Justice Debi Singh Tewatia, former chief justice of the Calcutta High Court, and veteran journalist and the CFD chairman, Kuldip Nayar was appointed in 1992. After recording evidence placed before it, the Tewatia Commission came to the following conclusions:

“Ours is the second Commission after a lapse of 14 years. It is painful to find that the Syedna has not learnt anything from the criticism that the Nathwani Commission, the first one, made about his working. In fact, he has become worse now, not even bothered about what others say, much less the Dawoodi Bohra community which he heads. No community among the Muslims has suffered so much and for so long as the Dawoodi Bohras have done at the hands of a leader, who continues to be dictatorial, ruthless and unmindful of cruelties he perpetrates.

“The community is not against the office he holds but against his functioning, which indeed reflects a personal rule of a whimsical type. In the name of religion and God, he has structured an ungodly, irreligious and inhuman order, the like of which will shame even the most despotic rulers. That he continues to defy even the minimum norms of free expression and freedom in an open democratic society like India’s is a slur on the nation and that he does it with impunity is a challenge to every thinking person.

“There are some heart–rending accounts of those who have dared to cross his path. He has destroyed families, separated children from their parents, wives from their husbands and sisters from their brothers. He has put up blood relations against one another to act as spies. It is like Big Brother watching you. Even hearsay has been punished severely. He has driven many members of his community to desperation and many among them have gone into oblivion, some have tried to finish their lives. Indeed, it must be crushing for a person, who after having been ex–communicated cannot bury his dear ones in the ancestral grave–yard and cannot expect even his close relations to commiserate with him.

“His mode of working is to strike terror in the minds of his followers. They dare not question the Syedna. Even the highly–placed among them obey him and his petty subordinates blindly. Any tax imposed or money demanded is paid obediently, although most members of the community are aware of the luxuries in which he and his family wallow.
“Yet, some community members have not stopped fighting against the Syedna’s dictatorship. More and more are joining them despite threats to them by their relatives and friends. They want the community’s conscience free. It goes to the credit of reformists that they have created an awakening even among those who once considered their cause hopeless. Even at the expense of all indignities and discriminations, their fortitude and determination remains undiminished.
“We had the privilege of meeting a few of them in the course of our hearings. Their faith in the righteousness of their cause sustains them. As days go by, their resolve is getting firmer and their optimism stronger. To the extent the rest of the community, more so the nation on the whole, responds to their sufferings, will depend the future of the reformists’ movement. They have borne the burden of Syedna’s tyranny for too long single-handed. The rest of the countrymen have to help them discipline Syedna and his musclemen.

“Our investigations have revealed that the Dowoodi Bohra Head Priest, Syedna Saheb, has made unbridled use of baraat against those who belong to the reformist Bohra Movement, their relations, their friends and those who associate themselves socially with them. The same is the fate of those who question the head priest’s personal takeover of the community and trust properties, the amounts collected by way of various levies, salaams, nazaranas and the sums obtained from those on whom he confers religious titles. Even such secular activities as the construction of a house, the starting of an association, co–operative society and launching of educational and medical institutions, etc., if done without his raza (permission) also attracted his wrath and consequential social boycott. So did reading of books/newspapers banned by the head priest.

“While examining the concept of misaq, we find that the working is so designed that it reduces a follower to the position of a bonded labourer to the head priest. The administration of oath by the head priest is violative of the provisions of Section 371 of Indian Penal Code as also of the provisions of Article 19 (I) of the Constitution. It is destructive of the human rights of the members of the Dawoodi Bohra community. The obedience to misaq is enforced by the threat of imposition of baraat.

“The imposition of baraat against a member amounts to much more than mere ex–communication. It involves blatant persecution of ordinary people, causing financial ruination, breaking marriages, snapping family relations and likes. Such punishment to a person by his caste, community or sect, is totally against the norms of human rights and civilised social existence. Since the head priest wields a clout in social, economic, political and religious affairs, it is difficult for an individual or group of individuals to match his sway. Therefore, it becomes a constitutional obligation of the state to protect human rights of such citizens in all respects”.

But nearly six years after the Tewatia Commission’s findings were made public, the Bohra head priest continues to treat his followers as bonded labour within the boundaries of free, democratic and secular India.

[mumu]

One more piece of Toilet paper from Farid This time it is little bigger and can be used properly.

Farid,
You didnt replied to my previous question about what happened to your previous toilet paper ?
Dont worry this long letter (Toilet Paper) will also reach were your previous letters reached.

[mumin_mukhlish]

Ek Baar aur Farid apni Izzat Nilam karne nikla..

Kya kare.. Kambakht Beizzat hone ki aadat si pad gayee hai

[Farid]

Mamu& Mumin_mukhlish- I did not know you do'nt go to to the bath room & use your computer screen as a Lota!This must be your Moula"s latest farman just like his previous Farman of installing Burhani Sandas! Enjoy it! You dug your own grave!

[Farid]

Please note on the so called Bush Letter to Syedna- See the signature which is illegible and looks like a scribble - Is it Authentic ? Why did'nt president sign it legible?

[babu]

This mail box is full kfrommer@angnewspapers.com

so pls. send mails to
sinsaf@yahoo.com

Yaar samjha karo abhi toilet paper ki kamee hai mumbai main....

[mumu]

Farid,
One more great setback to you and your so called progressives.
16 different letters from US members of Congress, US Senators, State Senators, and other elected US officials and dignitaries where send to Aqa Maula TUS during USA visit in August 2005.
Now thats what you call respect.
And next post from Farid will be all the letters has been purchased by Kotharis
or
The signatures no all the letters are duplicate and farid will claim that kotharis themselves has created these letters
Comeon Farid accept the fact that you are a big looser and your movement is a greater looser then you.
Like this you all progressives will also be defeated and our Maula will be the winner as ever.

[tahir]

wow!! what a happy ending....CLAP CLAP CLAP!!!

[burhan]

Mumu,
Do u know that this is the same country which invaded Karbala and Najaf? The mumeens were deprived of the ziyarat of Imam Hussain and the rest of Panjatan Paak for a couple of months. If your "maula" was a man of principals, shouldnt he be rejecting such letters? This goes on to prove that ur so called "maula" is interested in his own name and fame and doesnt give a rat's ass to his followers. He doesnt have basic ethics, forget spirituality. Even the most educated guy from ur community on this forum "spot" has deplored the US government as corrupt and evil in one of his posts. Its very unfortunate that u guys celebrate letters from the government of a country which is violating human rights and killing people all over the world.

Since bohras are unaware of the happenings outside of daawat, let me tell u an incidence. There was a famous Indian poet (and intellectual) Rabindra Nath Tagore. He rejected Noble Prize out of his protest for jallianwalla bagh massacre in 1919 in which over 1000 people were killed by the Britishers. U.S. has killed more than a million innocent people around the world since mid 20th century out of its greed for resources. This idiot whom u call "maula" should have not only declined to accept any welcome or letters of praises from the US administration but also condemned its acts in strongest terms (like all sane people of the world did). Instead, he is gleefully sleeping with the US senators in turn of some meaningless letters (I wonder what would have he done if he was offered a noble prize!!) This is precisely what he did with Narendra Modi after the bohras suffered severe losses in gujrat riots. WHAT A SHAME!!

[spot]

burhan,
mumineen were not allowed for ziyarat in karbala and najaf for a couple of month. what an inconvience! iranians aren't allowed through the border to even enter. i may not agree with a lot of the kothari actions...but you can't knock the freedom bohras have regarding ziyarats. bohras have better access to karbala and najaf than even many of the iraqis..let alone shiah from other sects.

[spot]

burhan,
just to add...during the times of saddam, bohras had very easy access (except at the border) to karbala and najaf..while ithna ashari shiahs (such as iranians) were little access or had a much harder time. granted, this way do to saddam bitterness toward iran in general...but the same applies for syrian, pakistan, india, etc.