1. "There is a huge gap between us (Jews) and our enemies not just in ability but in morality, culture, sanctity of life, and conscience. They are our neighbors here, but it seems as if at a distance of a few hundred meters away, there are people who do not belong to our continent, to our world, but actually belong to a different galaxy." Israeli president Moshe Katsav. The Jerusalem Post, May 10, 2001
2. "The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more".... Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000
3. " [The Palestinians are] beasts walking on two legs." Menahim Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts". New Statesman, 25 June 1982.
4. "The Palestinians" would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls." " Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988
5. "When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle." Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.
6. "How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to." Golda Meir, March 8, 1969.
7. "There was no such thing as Palestinians, they never existed." Golda Maier Israeli Prime Minister June 15, 1969
8. "The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war." Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Ha'aretz, 19 March 1972.
9. David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.
9a. Ben Gurion also warned in 1948 : "We must do everything to insure they ( the Palestinians) never do return." Assuring his fellow Zionists that Palestinians will never come back to their homes. "The old will die and the young will forget."
10. "We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves." Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.
11. "Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio. (Certainly the FBI's cover-up of the Israeli spy ring/phone tap scandal suggests that Mr. Sharon may not have been joking.)
12. "We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours." Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces - Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 13 April 1983, New York Times 14 April 1983.
13. "We must do everything to ensure they [the Palestinian refugees] never do return" David Ben-Gurion, in his diary, 18 July 1948, quoted in Michael Bar Zohar's Ben-Gurion: the Armed Prophet, Prentice-Hall, 1967, p. 157.
15. "We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai." David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.
16. "We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." Israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum"
17. "Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969.
18. "We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!'" Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.
19. Rabin's description of the conquest of Lydda, after the completion of Plan Dalet. "We shall reduce the Arab population to a community of woodcutters and waiters" Uri Lubrani, PM Ben-Gurion's special adviser on Arab Affairs, 1960. From "The Arabs in Israel" by Sabri Jiryas.
20. "There are some who believe that the non-Jewish population, even in a high percentage, within our borders will be more effectively under our surveillance; and there are some who believe the contrary, i.e., that it is easier to carry out surveillance over the activities of a neighbor than over those of a tenant. tend to support the latter view and have an additional argument:...the need to sustain the character of the state which will henceforth be Jewish...with a non-Jewish minority limited to 15 percent. I had already reached this fundamental position as early as 1940 [and] it is entered in my diary." Joseph Weitz, head of the Jewish Agency's Colonization Department. From Israel: an Apartheid State by Uri Davis, p.5.
21. "Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours... Everything we don't grab will go to them." Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.
22. "It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism,colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands." Yoram Bar Porath, Yediot Aahronot, of 14 July 1972.
23. "Spirit the penniless population across the frontier by denying it employment... Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly." Theodore Herzl, founder of the World Zionist Organization, speaking of the Arabs of Palestine,Complete Diaries, June 12, 1895 entry.
24. "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." -- Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994 [Source: N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1]
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The Israeli right's vision of Greater Israel is dead - they'll never have it and some of them know it.
It is undoubtedly true that Israel has abused the Palestinians for decades, but that does not in any way excuse the reciprocal attacks against Israeli civilians that Palestinian suicide bombers conduct. Islam does not permit the targetting of civilians in war, and Muslims should stop trying to justify it.
"If thou dost stretch thy hand against me, to slay me, it is not for me to stretch my hand against thee to slay thee: for I do fear God, the Cherisher of the Worlds."
-- 5:28
It is not permissible to react to sin by committing more sin - Islam has guidlines for war. It is a wonder that these "holy warriors" are comfortable defending a faith whose tenets they do not respect.
salaam
It is undoubtedly true that Israel has abused the Palestinians for decades, but that does not in any way excuse the reciprocal attacks against Israeli civilians that Palestinian suicide bombers conduct. Islam does not permit the targetting of civilians in war, and Muslims should stop trying to justify it.
"If thou dost stretch thy hand against me, to slay me, it is not for me to stretch my hand against thee to slay thee: for I do fear God, the Cherisher of the Worlds."
-- 5:28
It is not permissible to react to sin by committing more sin - Islam has guidlines for war. It is a wonder that these "holy warriors" are comfortable defending a faith whose tenets they do not respect.
salaam
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khairan,
you are right, civilians should not be targeted. I am just thinking about the person who goes and blows himself up. What is he thinking? Is he a fool who cannot think for himself, or has he lost hope to such a degree that blowing himself up is the only alternative he thinks remains for him?
How many suicide bombings have you heard of in the last 6 months? How many palestinians deaths have you heard of in the last 6 months? how many palestinian homes have you heard destroyed in the last 6 months?
Please do not talk like Ariel Sharon.
you are right, civilians should not be targeted. I am just thinking about the person who goes and blows himself up. What is he thinking? Is he a fool who cannot think for himself, or has he lost hope to such a degree that blowing himself up is the only alternative he thinks remains for him?
How many suicide bombings have you heard of in the last 6 months? How many palestinians deaths have you heard of in the last 6 months? how many palestinian homes have you heard destroyed in the last 6 months?
Please do not talk like Ariel Sharon.
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anajmi,
My point is that as long as Muslims are caught up in a tit-for-tat with Israel and the West, we really have no moral highground from which we can criticize anyone else. Muslim conservatives love to point to the ahadith and the Qur'an and to pull examples from our early history to show how Muslims should go to war and slay the infidels and blah blah blah blah.
Meanwhile, we ignore the other lessons - the diplomacy that the Prophet so adeptly used and without which battles such as the al-Khandaq could not have been won. We ignore the fact that (as Haykal reports in his biography) the Prophet spared a Jewish servant girl for trying to poison him, because he felt her desire for revenge was justified. In short, Muslims fight the West and the Zionists in the name of something they call Islam, but either blind themselves to the realities of what they are doing or follow leaders who are not concerned with Islam at all, except as a political lever to goad the masses with.
The Prophet spared all of his enemies when he took Mecca, because he understood that blood only begets more blood. We don't have to lay down and let the rest of the world abuse us, but I refuse to accept that simply laying claim to "Islam" puts our community above moral reproach. In this sense, I feel we are just as bad as the Americans -- we are quick to criticize the other and find fault in their actions, but slow to condemn our own when they become immoral.
salaam
My point is that as long as Muslims are caught up in a tit-for-tat with Israel and the West, we really have no moral highground from which we can criticize anyone else. Muslim conservatives love to point to the ahadith and the Qur'an and to pull examples from our early history to show how Muslims should go to war and slay the infidels and blah blah blah blah.
Meanwhile, we ignore the other lessons - the diplomacy that the Prophet so adeptly used and without which battles such as the al-Khandaq could not have been won. We ignore the fact that (as Haykal reports in his biography) the Prophet spared a Jewish servant girl for trying to poison him, because he felt her desire for revenge was justified. In short, Muslims fight the West and the Zionists in the name of something they call Islam, but either blind themselves to the realities of what they are doing or follow leaders who are not concerned with Islam at all, except as a political lever to goad the masses with.
The Prophet spared all of his enemies when he took Mecca, because he understood that blood only begets more blood. We don't have to lay down and let the rest of the world abuse us, but I refuse to accept that simply laying claim to "Islam" puts our community above moral reproach. In this sense, I feel we are just as bad as the Americans -- we are quick to criticize the other and find fault in their actions, but slow to condemn our own when they become immoral.
salaam
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khairan,
I am amazed reading your email. Do you even know what is going on in Palestine right now or for the last 3 years or for the last 50 years?
Do you want the muslims to be always ready to bend and spread and never fight back?
The prophet spared all his enemies when he was in charge of Mecca, but in order to do that he had to be in charge of Mecca. Before the creation of Israel, the jews were living peacefully in Palestine, till they decided to steal what belonged to the muslims. The day muslims are in charge of the whole of Palestine, I am sure the Jews will be living in much better condition than they are right now.
You may feel that you are as bad as Americans, I do not, and I don't think most muslims do, which is a comforting feeling.
I am amazed reading your email. Do you even know what is going on in Palestine right now or for the last 3 years or for the last 50 years?
Do you want the muslims to be always ready to bend and spread and never fight back?
The prophet spared all his enemies when he was in charge of Mecca, but in order to do that he had to be in charge of Mecca. Before the creation of Israel, the jews were living peacefully in Palestine, till they decided to steal what belonged to the muslims. The day muslims are in charge of the whole of Palestine, I am sure the Jews will be living in much better condition than they are right now.
You may feel that you are as bad as Americans, I do not, and I don't think most muslims do, which is a comforting feeling.
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anajmi,
I know very well what is going on in Palestine right now, and you're right -- it is precisely what has been going on for the past half-century. I'm not going to bother trying to make excuses for the Americans and their horrible foreign policy, I think we're in agreement at least on that fact that the Americans have not dealt evenly with the Middle East.
However, even if you totally reject the moral point that I am making, there is undeniable truth to my political point. The tit-for-tat cycle that Palestinians and Israelis are caught in right now is endless. There will always be another dead Palestinian boy who the Arabs will want to avenge, and more dead Israeli civilians who will cause Israel to send in more soldiers to kill more Palestinians. Even if you are right, and Muslims have the moral highground in this conflict (I disagree completely), the tactics they are using offer no end and no solution.
I gave the Prophet's example not simply because he spared his enemies, but because he was a cunning and able politician and diplomat. The Palestinians can't win using their current tactics. They don't have the guns and they don't have the manpower. If for no other reason than that, they need to tone down the attacks. Europe is overwhelmingly opposed to Israel, to the point where the American right and the Israelis routinely accuse the Europeans of anti-semitism. I think the Palestinians need to explore more diplomatic options and try to bring international pressure to bear on Israel, and to this end the suicide bombings work against them.
If you think that the campaign against Israel has made any positive difference whatsoever for the Palestinians, then present your evidence. Personally, I think that it has only accomplished the grotesque killing of innocent people on both sides of the border.
salaam
I know very well what is going on in Palestine right now, and you're right -- it is precisely what has been going on for the past half-century. I'm not going to bother trying to make excuses for the Americans and their horrible foreign policy, I think we're in agreement at least on that fact that the Americans have not dealt evenly with the Middle East.
However, even if you totally reject the moral point that I am making, there is undeniable truth to my political point. The tit-for-tat cycle that Palestinians and Israelis are caught in right now is endless. There will always be another dead Palestinian boy who the Arabs will want to avenge, and more dead Israeli civilians who will cause Israel to send in more soldiers to kill more Palestinians. Even if you are right, and Muslims have the moral highground in this conflict (I disagree completely), the tactics they are using offer no end and no solution.
I gave the Prophet's example not simply because he spared his enemies, but because he was a cunning and able politician and diplomat. The Palestinians can't win using their current tactics. They don't have the guns and they don't have the manpower. If for no other reason than that, they need to tone down the attacks. Europe is overwhelmingly opposed to Israel, to the point where the American right and the Israelis routinely accuse the Europeans of anti-semitism. I think the Palestinians need to explore more diplomatic options and try to bring international pressure to bear on Israel, and to this end the suicide bombings work against them.
If you think that the campaign against Israel has made any positive difference whatsoever for the Palestinians, then present your evidence. Personally, I think that it has only accomplished the grotesque killing of innocent people on both sides of the border.
salaam
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khairan,
You keep talking about the tit for tat killing cycle when in my first reply to you I asked you
"How many suicide bombings have you heard of in the last 6 months? How many palestinians deaths have you heard of in the last 6 months? how many palestinian homes have you heard destroyed in the last 6 months?"
The campaign against Israel according to you has made no positive difference and then according to you ""Europe is overwhelmingly opposed to Israel, to the point where the American right and the Israelis routinely accuse the Europeans of anti-semitism.""
Do you know that Israel offered 98% of the land back to the Palestinians during the time of Bill Clinton and Arafat refused? Do you know what the 2% was that Israel wanted to keep?
You keep talking about the tit for tat killing cycle when in my first reply to you I asked you
"How many suicide bombings have you heard of in the last 6 months? How many palestinians deaths have you heard of in the last 6 months? how many palestinian homes have you heard destroyed in the last 6 months?"
The campaign against Israel according to you has made no positive difference and then according to you ""Europe is overwhelmingly opposed to Israel, to the point where the American right and the Israelis routinely accuse the Europeans of anti-semitism.""
Do you know that Israel offered 98% of the land back to the Palestinians during the time of Bill Clinton and Arafat refused? Do you know what the 2% was that Israel wanted to keep?
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Just as a side note, you might want to consider the fact that suicide bombings happen when tactically, Israel needs them most and stands to benefit from them most!!
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khairan,
Did you also read my very first post on this topic? You should if you haven't and you should read it again if you have.
Military Intelligence presented erroneous assumption on Palestinians
""Major General Amos Gilad, head of Military Intelligence's research division when violence erupted in October 2000, persuaded the cabinet to accept an erroneous view of the cause of the violence, and hence the mistaken conclusion that there is no Palestinian partner for peace, according to Major General Amos Malka, who served as the director of MI at the time.
A very round-about way of saying "Lied". "" - wrh
Did you also read my very first post on this topic? You should if you haven't and you should read it again if you have.
Military Intelligence presented erroneous assumption on Palestinians
""Major General Amos Gilad, head of Military Intelligence's research division when violence erupted in October 2000, persuaded the cabinet to accept an erroneous view of the cause of the violence, and hence the mistaken conclusion that there is no Palestinian partner for peace, according to Major General Amos Malka, who served as the director of MI at the time.
A very round-about way of saying "Lied". "" - wrh
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"I will not have a moth-eaten Palestine" was, I believe, Arafat's response. I have mixed feelings about the Palestinian refusal, but ultimately I think it was an appropriate decision.Originally posted by anajmi:
Do you know that Israel offered 98% of the land back to the Palestinians during the time of Bill Clinton and Arafat refused? Do you know what the 2% was that Israel wanted to keep?
I agree with you that Israel's response to the suicide bombings is egregious: the Palestinians bomb a pizza shop and Israel razes a neighborhood to the ground in revenge. And then the Palestinians respond, and then Israel responds, and when all is said and done far more Palestinians are dead than Israelis. But this is all besides the point: this war has accomplished nothing for either side. In the end, both peoples have committed atrocities. We can quibble about who is worse, but that too brings no one closer to a solution.
Personally, I think the Palestinians are being exploited for political purposes. As long as Palestine remains an issue, it can be used to fuel the fires of anti-Semitism and Israel-hating. Arafat's wife in Paris was getting something like 1 million euros per month as an "allowance" from some undisclosed source. The latest intifada is what catapulted Sharon and the Likud party to the forefront of Israeli government, and Likud is the least likely to work favourably with Palestine. Meanwhile, the Palestinians themselves are left out in the cold. So again, I ask you - what have the suicide bombings against Israeli civilians accomplished? Why am I, as a Muslim, somehow honour-bound not to criticize them when they are both immoral and politically futile?
I suppose my position may make more sense to you if you understand that I think war is *always* the worst solution. In this case, it is no solution at all -- it exists simply to play out and perpetuate old hatreds.
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'Job application' online for suicide bombers ""The bovine excrement meter melted on this one! No real terror group would recruit online because it would be an open invitation to be infiltrated. And Joe Farah is smart enough to know it, too. "" - wrh.
But I am sure it is enough for a lot of people to blame Muslims all the same. After all Muslims are the biggest idiots on earth.
But I am sure it is enough for a lot of people to blame Muslims all the same. After all Muslims are the biggest idiots on earth.
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Dear borther khairan,
I am not condoning suicide bombings. I am sure if we had tanks and aircraft bombers, we would've used them instead of suicide bombers.
And as is evident from a lot of quotes from Israeli leaders, Israel does not want peace. They want all of Palestine without the Palestinians. Now whether you believe that or not is upto you. So what are the Palestinians going to do about it?
I am not condoning suicide bombings. I am sure if we had tanks and aircraft bombers, we would've used them instead of suicide bombers.
And as is evident from a lot of quotes from Israeli leaders, Israel does not want peace. They want all of Palestine without the Palestinians. Now whether you believe that or not is upto you. So what are the Palestinians going to do about it?
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According to a hadith (I do not remember which), the conflict between Israel and Palestine will go on till the day of judgment (or was it the coming of christ.. I am not sure). So all we gotta do now is choose a side.
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Well, I think the suicide bombings have accoplished one thing, they have brought the palestinian struggle to the world's attention even if it is in a negative way. If that hadn't been the case, the Israelis would have exterminated all the Palestinians without anyone even knowing about it.
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And the 2% land that Israel wanted to keep was bang in the center of Palestine, dividing palestine up into small pieces. So if I wanted to visit my neigbour (both in Palestine) I would've had to go through an Israeli checkpost.
Yeah, Israel wants peace allright!!
Yeah, Israel wants peace allright!!
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And I am not saying that you are honor-bound not to say anything against the suicide bombings. I am just saying that you are wrong in blaming the palestinians for the problem, which is what I think you are doing.
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Israel to close Gaza industrial zone
Now please tell me which suicide bombing is this in retaliation of?
Now please tell me which suicide bombing is this in retaliation of?
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The following link to a comic strip will give you an exact ideal of what I mean when I try to explain "tit for tat"
NO MORE MISTER NICE GUY!
NO MORE MISTER NICE GUY!
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If that's what you think you've totally misunderstood me. I think the Palestinians are contributing to the problem certainly. But I don't blame the Palestinian people, I blame their leaders and I blame the other leaders of the Arab world. For all of its posturing about the evils of the Israeli occupation, the Arabs have done little, I think, to help the Palestinians accomplish their goals. Neither has anyone else.Originally posted by anajmi:
And I am not saying that you are honor-bound not to say anything against the suicide bombings. I am just saying that you are wrong in blaming the palestinians for the problem, which is what I think you are doing.
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khairan,
I certainly believe the leaders of the muslims Ummah are corrupt impotent fools ruled by the Americans and hence are being humiliated every day. So it is better if the Americans get rid of the leaders, however the Americans will put more obedient puppets in office. So what do we do? What is happening in Iraq and Palestine is pretty good. Great powers like America and Israel now stand naked and exposed in front of the world.
You may believe that what Israel is doing in only in retaliation of suicide bombings and what America did was to make the world a better place, but my opinions are well known.
I certainly believe the leaders of the muslims Ummah are corrupt impotent fools ruled by the Americans and hence are being humiliated every day. So it is better if the Americans get rid of the leaders, however the Americans will put more obedient puppets in office. So what do we do? What is happening in Iraq and Palestine is pretty good. Great powers like America and Israel now stand naked and exposed in front of the world.
You may believe that what Israel is doing in only in retaliation of suicide bombings and what America did was to make the world a better place, but my opinions are well known.
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Israeli planes violate Lebanese air space
"Israeli planes violated Lebanese air space and a warship entered Lebanon's territorial water off the border port of Naqoura Saturday, Lebanese officials said.
Provoke, provoke, provoke, "THEY ARE ATTACKING US!!!!!!!!"" - wrh
This is the was Israel has been operating since its unfortunate creation. The motto of the Mossad is "By Deception thou shalt do war" - Check it out.
"Israeli planes violated Lebanese air space and a warship entered Lebanon's territorial water off the border port of Naqoura Saturday, Lebanese officials said.
Provoke, provoke, provoke, "THEY ARE ATTACKING US!!!!!!!!"" - wrh
This is the was Israel has been operating since its unfortunate creation. The motto of the Mossad is "By Deception thou shalt do war" - Check it out.
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When did you last visit Israel & Lebanon ?
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Powell: Terrorism Report a 'Big Mistake'
I guess the world is not such a good place even after Saddam is gone.
I guess the world is not such a good place even after Saddam is gone.
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AssWipe,
What is your point ? Answer the questions.....here's one more...was Saddam one of your Islamic heroes , and are you crying now that he can't lead you no mo' ???
What is your point ? Answer the questions.....here's one more...was Saddam one of your Islamic heroes , and are you crying now that he can't lead you no mo' ???
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Anajmi and Average Bohra,
My motto is - Live and Let Live
Is there any way three religions and three people and live side by side.... there is beauty in diversity too ...!!! why do we have to ensure that everybody believes in what we believe, why cannot we accept as people are and leave the faith to them. We all, Christians, Jews and Muslims have to learn and be tolerant.
Saddam may have been hero in some ways but he was despot and tyrant in many ways. May be he was good for one sect and so was hero for them, for others he was a murderer - we cannot generalize. Hitler was hero to many and may be he even is.
The worst thing about Muslims is that we are hypocrate and we have corrupt rulers .... and if they are place by USA, why cannot Muslims stand up.... the weakness lies within. It is no good blaming Bush and Sharon, they are heros to their people (or not, who cares) but we have find our own heros, we have to wake up and defend our own selves.
Islam is the best religion on earth and Muslims are the worst nation on earth....!!!!!!
My motto is - Live and Let Live
Is there any way three religions and three people and live side by side.... there is beauty in diversity too ...!!! why do we have to ensure that everybody believes in what we believe, why cannot we accept as people are and leave the faith to them. We all, Christians, Jews and Muslims have to learn and be tolerant.
Saddam may have been hero in some ways but he was despot and tyrant in many ways. May be he was good for one sect and so was hero for them, for others he was a murderer - we cannot generalize. Hitler was hero to many and may be he even is.
The worst thing about Muslims is that we are hypocrate and we have corrupt rulers .... and if they are place by USA, why cannot Muslims stand up.... the weakness lies within. It is no good blaming Bush and Sharon, they are heros to their people (or not, who cares) but we have find our own heros, we have to wake up and defend our own selves.
Islam is the best religion on earth and Muslims are the worst nation on earth....!!!!!!
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50,000 Palestinians Sealed off in Israeli Siege of Nablus IOF Shoot Dead Two Teenagers, Occupy 16 Buildings in Casabah.
And somebody please tell me what suicide bombing this was in retaliation of?
And please do not blame Israel or Lord Sharon will smite you.
And somebody please tell me what suicide bombing this was in retaliation of?
And please do not blame Israel or Lord Sharon will smite you.
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Israel- What a wonderful ally!
But wait, do not blame Israel. Instead make sure that your children and grand children worship Lord Sharon or else he will smite you.
But wait, do not blame Israel. Instead make sure that your children and grand children worship Lord Sharon or else he will smite you.
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Israeli threatens Gaza wipeout
But please do not blame Israel. Palestinians deserver to die. They are after all....... Palestinians living on land that Israel wants to steal just like Iraqis who are living on land that has oil that belongs to America!! Just how the hell did American oil get under Muslim sand is what I want to know!!
But please do not blame Israel. Palestinians deserver to die. They are after all....... Palestinians living on land that Israel wants to steal just like Iraqis who are living on land that has oil that belongs to America!! Just how the hell did American oil get under Muslim sand is what I want to know!!
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Talking to your self again ? Let me give you a hint.... quoting from Al Jazeera ( 
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For those on the board that are interested in facts:
1. The US imports the most oil from Canada rather than Saudi Arabia {but we don't mess with Canada}
2. The US imports more oil from Mexico than we do from Saudi Arabia {instead of attacking them we allow Mexico to send their population here illegally and then pay our tax dollars to support them)
3. We buy more oil from Venezuela than we do from Saudi Arabia. {we go their on vacation, but don't bomb them}
4. We buy only 20% of our oil from the entire Persian Gulf combined and we have our way with them ! {because they are EZ pickin's due to Islamic Law and lack of democracy, which is not the fault of the US)
5. We buy less than 1/2 of our oil from Iraq than we do from Mexico and we decide to spend 100's billion to free them, kill 1000 of our troops, spend billions rebuilding it because we want to own their oil fields ?
Inquiring minds want to know....obviously not the masses....
) does not help your lack of intellect or credibility ...much . As far as the oil, I pay decent money for gas, but you are probably on welfare and get it for free and thinks the US doesn't pay for it. Just more Islamic brainwashing...if we wanted to control the oil supply and get it for free then we would have nuked their ass and taken their gas, get my point ? {probably not }For those on the board that are interested in facts:
1. The US imports the most oil from Canada rather than Saudi Arabia {but we don't mess with Canada}
2. The US imports more oil from Mexico than we do from Saudi Arabia {instead of attacking them we allow Mexico to send their population here illegally and then pay our tax dollars to support them)
3. We buy more oil from Venezuela than we do from Saudi Arabia. {we go their on vacation, but don't bomb them}
4. We buy only 20% of our oil from the entire Persian Gulf combined and we have our way with them ! {because they are EZ pickin's due to Islamic Law and lack of democracy, which is not the fault of the US)
5. We buy less than 1/2 of our oil from Iraq than we do from Mexico and we decide to spend 100's billion to free them, kill 1000 of our troops, spend billions rebuilding it because we want to own their oil fields ?
Inquiring minds want to know....obviously not the masses....