A beautiful story

[pardesi]

The story of Moses and the Shepherd:

Moses heard a shepherd on the road praying,
"God,
Where are you? I want to help you, to fix your shoes
and comb your hair. I want to wash your clothes
and pick the lice off. I want to bring you milk
to kiss your little hands and feet when it's time
for you to go to bed. I want to sweep your room
and keep it neat. God, my sheep and goats
are yours. All I can say, remembering you,
is ayyyy and ahhhhhhhh."

Moses could stand it no longer.
"Who are you talking to?"

"The one who made us,
and made the earth and made the sky."

"Don't talk about shoes
and socks with God! And what's this with your little hands
and feet? Such blasphemous familiarity sounds like
you're chatting with your uncles.
Only something that grows
needs milk. Only someone with feet needs shoes. Not God!
Even if you meant God's human representatives,
as when God said, 'I was sick and you did not visit me,'
even then this tone would be foolish and irreverent.

Use appropriate terms. Fatima is a fine name
for a woman, but if you call a man Fatima,
it's an insult. Body-and-birth language
are right for us on this side of the river,
but not for addressing the origin,
not for Allah."

The shepherd repented and tore his clothes and sighed
and wandered into the desert.

A sudden revelation
came then to Moses. God's voice:

You have separated
me from one of my own. Did you come as a Prophet to unite,
or to sever?

I have given each being a separate and unique way
of seeing and knowing and saying that knowledge.

What seems wrong for you is right for him.
What is poisonous to one is honey to someone else.

Purity and impurity, sloth and diligence in worship,
these mean nothing to me.
I am apart from all that.
Ways of worshipping are not to be ranked as better
or worse than one another.

Hindus do Hindu things.
the Dravidian Muslims in India do what they do.
It's all praise, and it's all right.

It's not me that's glorified in acts of worship.
It's the worshipers! I don't hear the words
they say. I look inside at the humility.

That broken-open lowliness is the reality,
not the language! Forget phraseology.
I want burning, burning.
Be friends
with your burning. Burn up your thinking
and your forms of expression!

Moses,
those who pay attention to ways of behaving
and speaking are one sort.
Lovers who burn
are another.

Don't impose a property tax
on a burned-out village. Don't scold the Lover.
The "wrong" way he talks is better than a hundred
"right" ways of others.

Inside the Kaaba
it doesn't matter which direction you point
your prayer rug!

The ocean diver doesn't need snowshoes!
The love-religion has not code or doctrine.

Only God.

So the ruby has nothing engraved on it!
It doesn't need markings.

God began speaking
deeper mysteries to Moses. Vision and words,
which cannot be recorded here, poured into
and through him. He left himself and came back.
He went to eternity and came back here.
Many times this happened.

It's foolish of me
to try and say this. If I did say it,
it would uproot human intelligences.
It would shatter all writing pens.

Moses ran after the shepherd.
He followed the bewildered footprints,
in one place moving straight like a castle
across a chessboard. In another, sideways,
like a bishop.

Now surging like a wave cresting,
now sliding down like a fish,
with always his feet
making geomancy symbols in the sand,
recording
his wandering state.

Moses finally caught up
with him.
"I was wrong. God has revealed to me
that there are no rules for worship.
Say whatever
and however your loving tells you to. Your sweet blasphemy
is the truest devotion. Through you a whole world
is freed.
Loosen your tongue and don't worry what comes out,
It's all the light of the spirit."

The shepherd replied,
"Moses, Moses,
I've gone beyond even that.
You applied the whip and my horse shied and jumped
on itself. The divine nature of my human nature
came together.
Bless your scolding hand and your arm.
I can't say what has happened.
What I'm saying now
is not my real condition. It can't be said."

The shepherd grew quiet.

When you look in a mirror,
you see yourself, not the state of the mirror.
The flute player puts breath into the flute,
and who makes the music? Not the flute,
The flute player!

Whenever you speak praise
or thanksgiving to God, it's always like
this dear shepherd's simplicity.

When you eventually see
through the veils to how things really are,
you will keep saying again
and again,

"This is certanly not like
we thought it was!"

-Rumi

If anyone has a problem with this poem, please refer your criticism to the writer. I am only an admirer!

[Above Average Bohra]

Where did Rumi get this poem from? Which book quotes this story of Moses? The Bible? The Torah? or the Quran? If Rumi can't answer that question then this story can be dismissed as fictional.

I was talking to this shepherd the other day. Do you want to know what he told me about Ismailis?

[turbocanuck]

Originally posted by Above Average Bohra:
Where did Rumi get this poem from? Which book quotes this story of Moses? The Bible? The Torah? or the Quran? If Rumi can't answer that question then this story can be dismissed as fictional.

I was talking to this shepherd the other day. Do you want to know what he told me about Ismailis?

yeah i know what he said........
he said.......

You Ismailis are the only ones who dont have any malicious "eye" for my "Ewes"...... i try to keep keep that sunni Laughing Hyena Anajmi away from my flock!!

[pardesi]

The ignorant fool responds the only way he knows. In ignorance!

Turbo,

You crack me up man with your selection of sentences. Keep it up. Thats the only language you can tame him with. Unfortunately I am not very good with that.

[porus]

Wonderful story, turbo. Thanks

As usual, sullied by a bigot, a Wahhabi bigot who won't understand the import behind Rumi's mathnavi-i-manavi, from which, I think, this story comes.

We can add Rumi to this bigot's list of 'idiots', which include Einstein, Russell, Lao Tzu, Stephen Hawking, Shakracharya, Aga Khan and Sayedna.

[pardesi]

Originally posted by Above Average Bohra:
Where did Rumi get this poem from? Which book quotes this story of Moses? The Bible? The Torah? or the Quran? If Rumi can't answer that question then this story can be dismissed as fictional.

What are your books of hadith based on? Are you going to dismiss all of them just because its "he said" or "she said". How about Quran? Did you actually see the transmission of ayats? Or did you ever meet Gabriel? Yet all muslims believe in Quran.

Even if it is a fictional story, there is something to be learned from it. You are like a high flying "siana kawwa". You can judge good from bad from up high, can't you? Yet this "siana kawwa" lands on shit most of the time. Are you that "siana"?

[turbocanuck]

Originally posted by porus:
[QB]Wonderful story, turbo. Thanks

As usual, sullied by a bigot, a Wahhabi bigot who won't understand the import behind Rumi's mathnavi-i-manavi, from which, I think, this story comes.

Bandar kya jaane adrakk ka swaad!!

[Above Average Bohra]

Whew!! I ask a simple question, what is the source of Rumi's story and the entire pack descends on me. With all the zaahir and taawili knowledge amongst the pack, the question, however, remains unanswered. Where did Rumi get this story from? The Bible, The Torah or The Quran?? If the answer instead is mathnavi-i-manavi, then it can be safely dismissed as fictional.

Even if it is a fictional story, there is something to be learned from it.

There is something to be learned from a lot of fictional stories out there. Even Gods with three horns and female genitalia will teach you things. But attributing fictional stories to the prophets of Allah is blasphemy. Refrain from lies, all of you!!

[turbocanuck]

Originally posted by Above Average Bohra:
But attributing fictional stories to the prophets of Allah is blasphemy. Refrain from lies, all of you!!

Ab aayega Maza. If you call Rumi's rendition as fiction, maybe it is.............what about the many Hadiths where the scheming sahabas have portrayed an ill version of the Holy Prophet? They are true?? Blasphemy!! .....i hear the ice cracking beneath your hooves!!

[porus]

Originally posted by Above Average Bigot:

"...to you God has three horns, boobs and a vagina."


"Even Gods with three horns and female genitalia will teach you things." [/B]

One wonders why this obsession with female genitalia in this bigot's crappy brain. Maybe it was an oblique and comical suggestion that God has 3 horns and is a she. As I did not mention her boobs or genitals, it must have touched a raw neuron., which got fired in his proto-cortical Wahhabi vortex!

[porus]

Originally posted by pardesi:

If anyone has a problem with this poem, please refer your criticism to the writer. I am only an admirer!

AABigot, take note, you piece of @@**

[turbocanuck]

Originally posted by porus:

Originally posted by pardesi:

If anyone has a problem with this poem, please refer your criticism to the writer. I am only an admirer!

AABigot, take note, you piece of @@**

YOU tell him man!! way to go bud.......

[pardesi]

I posted this poem of Rumi 'cause I found it to be very interesting. I never thought that the pig here would start crying oink as soon as I posted it.

Now Anajmi is tangled in his own web. Lets see how he gets out of it.

I know what his next move would be - change the topic and bring in the Aga Khan.

Wait and see.

[Above Average Bohra]

Change topics? With you amateurs? What did turbooch say? Comparing Rumi to the Hadith? Is he as dumb as he sounds?

pardesi,

You should start preparing for another two weeks of absence.

The writers of hadith do not claim it to be fiction. Rumi's work is a piece of fiction. Has Rumi claimed it to be authentic? Infact you agree that it is a piece of fiction.

Every hadith has a chain of narrators leading to the prophet (which idiots can choose not to believe in, but at least, it is there)!! Is there a chain leading to Prophet Moses in this compilation of Rumi?

By the way, I was prepared for this question way before it was asked. The Ismaili mind is not too difficult to understand, infact it is an insult to minds everywhere!!

porus,

You should go back to ignoring my posts. You are better off maintaining an illusion rather than expose your delusions!! You should understand the implications of sh*t that you mention in jest and if you do not have the male genitalia to suffer the rebuttals, may be try not to jest so much the next time around.

[turbocanuck]

Excerpt from the original post by Anajmi
The writers of hadith do not claim it to be fiction.

So the Ahadith about the Holy Prophet Muhammad as a Savage, Wife beater and a Child Molester is deemed to be TRUE by you Sunnis. These are the Ahadith from YOUR revered Sahabas. so now the truth about Sunni blasphemy is right in front of the world to see.

[pardesi]

"The writers of hadith do not claim it to be fiction."

Yet a good part of hadith literature has been discarded and labelled as "Dhaif" by the later ulema. On what basis, may I ask? if not for being fictitious or lies.

And the ahadith mentioning the Prophet's sexual desires/habits and likes and dislikes have been accepted and never discarded even though it is disrespectful to the Prophet of Islam. Most of 'em narrated by non other than his favorite wife.

You guys have a lot of work to do to clean up this mess. Start now!

[pardesi]

Damn Turbo,

You beat me to it, again.

[pardesi]

"Infact you agree that it is a piece of fiction."

Anajmi,

I did not agree or say its a piece of fiction. You are a liar just like some of your hadith writers. I said "even if it is", giving you the benefit of doubt, "there is something to be learned from it." You are either weak in understanding hypothetical statements or just plain liar.

Dont you have better things to do, like fetching sawab, you know what I mean

I am still busy with the festivities of my Imam's visit to USA but never too busy to get in your face. I just had some extra time yesterday so I posted Rumi's poem. Like I said earlier, if you have a problem with the poem, write to Rumi directly - need his email address?

[pardesi]

"By the way, I was prepared for this question way before it was asked."

Didn't do a very good job though with the answer :p

"The Ismaili mind is not too difficult to understand,..."

This Ismaili mind is simple minded and does not work with a bagful of twisted minded tricks, like yourself.

"infact it is an insult to minds everywhere!!"

Everyone knows who is the scumbag here. Don't push it.

[Above Average Bohra]

Yet a good part of hadith literature has been discarded and labelled as "Dhaif" by the later ulema. On what basis, may I ask? if not for being fictitious or lies.

Which tells you about the brilliant minds of these Ulema when idiot Ismailis are still clinging on to Rumi's fictional poem, without any chain of narrators, as true!!

The hadith say nothing vile about the prophet as explained by me on other threads. It is only idiotic Ismaili and tripplehorny interpretations call the prophet of Islam those vile things. Allah will severly punish those that insult the prophet. Ismailis will be on the top of the list.

pardesi,

I seriously recommend you take a two week( ) break.

[turbocanuck]

Originally posted by Above Average Bohra:

I seriously recommend you take a two week( ) break.[/QB]

Pardesi, PLEASE enjoy Hazar Imam's Deedar with utmost joy and felicitations, leave this Sunni Ghilman for me to whup.........cant you see he is "beseeching" you to take a hiatus so he can claim victory in his usual brainless wahhabi fashion.......Otherwise he will start his usual abuse at home.

[pardesi]

Originally posted by Above Average Bohra:

pardesi,

I seriously recommend you take a two week( ) break .

Dude,

Mentally tired people need time off. I am fine by the grace of Allah. You, on the other hand, would benefit from an overdue leave from this board. Your brains have overheated and have started to shrink causing dillusions and what have you.

You have proved nothing, ever, on these forums. Its always the usual rhetoric - "I am right so you are wrong". Get that straight.

Send some duroods. Your soul desperately needs the sawabs that come in return.

[pardesi]

Originally posted by turbocanuck:

Pardesi, PLEASE enjoy Hazar Imam's Deedar with utmost joy and felicitations, leave this Sunni Ghilman for me to whup.........cant you see he is "beseeching" you to take a hiatus so he can claim victory in his usual brainless wahhabi fashion.......Otherwise he will start his usual abuse at home.

Thank you for the good wishes, Turbo. I don't know where you reside (US, UK, or elsewhere) but if you get the chance please enjoy the occasion yourself too.

As for this loser, even my 10th grader can give him some lessons on religious understanding and tolerance. He can't go on for too long and that is why he tries the tactics that he does to finish off the topic early as his knowledge is limited and probably relies heavily on hearsay and that other MF dude.

He is all yours while I am busy as you know the Deedar is on the 17th here and I have offered to help with certain preparations. I shall return!
Insha Allah.

[Above Average Bohra]

pardesi,

When you do darshan of your Hazar Conman, can you get the interpretation of the quran from him according to the modern times? Or can you ask your 10th grader to get one if you can't!!

[turbocanuck]

Originally posted by Above Average Bohra:
pardesi,

When you do darshan of your Hazar Conman, can you get the interpretation of the quran from him according to the modern times? Or can you ask your 10th grader to get one if you can't!!

BLAH, BLAH!!!

[Above Average Bohra]

HOHOHOHOHO HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

BLAH, BLAH!!!

This is how the Ismaili idiot is going to "whup" me. HAHAHAHAHAHA

Ooops. I forgot - BLAH, BLAH!!! - is the Hazar Conman's modern interpretation of the quran. LALOL

[turbocanuck]

Originally posted by Above Average Bohra:
HOHOHOHOHO HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

BLAH, BLAH!!!

This is how the Ismaili idiot is going to "whup" me. HAHAHAHAHAHA

Ooops. I forgot - BLAH, BLAH!!! - is the Hazar Conman's modern interpretation of the quran. LALOL

Please dont include your wife (HO HO HO) in the exchange.........

[Above Average Bohra]

Tsk, Tsk, Tsk. When "whup"ping me becomes difficult the Ismaili idiots hide behind my wife. What a pathetic bunch of loosers.

And these idiots will tell us how to treat women!!

What is the Hazar Conman's interpretation of 4:34? "BLAH, BLAH!!!"

[turbocanuck]

Originally posted by Above Average Bohra:
Tsk, Tsk, Tsk. When "whup"ping me becomes difficult the Ismaili idiots hide behind my wife. What a pathetic bunch of loosers.

And these idiots will tell us how to treat women!!

What is the Hazar Conman's interpretation of 4:34? "BLAH, BLAH!!!"

Just dont "whup' her....ok? she had no say in when she got entangled with a retard like you. probably was under duress and heavy hands. i'm still waiting to hear why your filthy Sahabas have ridiculed the Holy Prophet to the extent that the world at large has a sick view of the Prophet pbuh. Nauzubillah!! Thanks Anajmi. So when are you going to disown the sick hadith? You know its really between the Sick, fat, pedophile Mullah who has brainwashed (geez an oxymoron if i ever heard one!!)you and your likes.and the Holy Rasool pbuh. we already know who you have chosen. so get back under the rock, you loser.

[Above Average Bohra]

No sahabas have ridiculed the prophet. They were not Ismailis. Only Ismailis ridicule the prophet by calling him these vile things. Ismailis ridicule the wives of the prophet and women in general as can be clearly seen from your posts.

Admin,

Please ban this stupid Ismaili.