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by Muslim First » Tue Apr 22, 2008 11:27 am
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For Islamized Hindus (aka nizari Ismailis ) Hz. Ali is Allah. Buddha Avatar, Visnu Avatar.
It was Prophet SAW's job to identify Ali.
Ali was Imam. Prophet was only Pir.
Read this BS from ismaili.net
• It is said that the Imam is Epiphany of the Nur of Allah.
• In my opinion, the Divine hierarchy is as follows:
Allah - The Unknowable God
Ali - The Universal Intellect
Muhammad - The Universal Soul
• We can only know Allah through Ali and Muhammad. Since really, they make Allah manifest
• As for the hierarchy i presented, this is authorized by the Fatimid Imams as well as the Alamut Imams. So, no, this is NO rumour!
Read Henry Corbin, Allah first created the Universal Intellect aka "The Ali" aka Shri Vishnu.
From the Universal Intellect, proceeded the Universal Soul aka "The Muhammad" aka Shri Brahma.
All the material creation proceeded from the Universal Soul - ie: Brahma the Creator-God. This philosophy is also that of Plato. It has parallels also in the Jewish Kabbalah, and Hindu philosophy. Remember, Islam is a pluralistic faith, there is unity in a diversity of interpretations!
• Quran reveals:
(1) Lord is Allah;
(2) Lord is He whose throne was over the water;
(3) History is important
• - yes, the "THRONE" was over the water. Let me ask you, what is the "THRONE"? The Throne is the Imam. [/B]The Throne has also been equated to the Universal Intellect. Therefore, the Imam is the Epiphany of the Universal Intellect.
• "nd history reveals that Lord Vishnu's throne was over the water. Lord Vishnu is thus Allah"
- no, Lord Vishnu was over the water. Vishnu was a fish, the fish was in water. Therefore, Lord Vishnu - Universal Intellect - Imam is the THRONE of Allah.
• "the last Imam of the Cycle, the Qaim or Resurrector, having completed the work of the Seventh Day and erected the THRONE THAT HE HIMSELF IS 'IN PERSON' "- Henry Corbin, Cyclical Time and Ismaili Gnosis
• Allah is the Unlimited, Ultimate, Unknowable Origin. Allah has no attributes, as He is beyond them. Therefore, the Allah cannot take any form or manifestation. However, all the attributes of Allah actually apply to the Universal Intellect. And the Imam is the epiphany of these attributes as relative to men.
• Allah says He is Zahir. I think that is Him as Imam
but He also says that He is Batin. I think this means him as Nur.
Now the question is, can this be true that ZAHIR=BATIN?
• I think the creator is Allah as Imam.
• The closest we can ever be to him in this world is to follow the Farmans of Hazir Imam and stay devoted to him until he decides it is time for us to enter the next world.
( Ismailis believe in reincarnation )
• Yes Allah/mawlana hazar imam is unlimited and all that. Mawlana hazar imam's farman is he is nearer to us than our vein. However, this is purely in a non-physical sense. You will find similar message in the quran besides the message that Lord is Allah
• Dua also reveal:
Seek at the time of difficulties, the help of your Mawla the present living Shah Karim al-Hussaini.
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• You have looked to the Imam of the Age for advice and help in all matters; and through your Imam's immense love and affection for his spiritual children, his Noor has indicated to you where and in which direction you must turn, so as to obtain spiritual and worldly satisfaction.
Dua/Quran clearly mention one should worship and seek help from Allah only and the farman also makes it clear that ismailis look to mawlana hazar imam for advice and help in all mattes. So mawlana hazar imam is allah. Farman also reveal that the Noor is his (Mawlana Hazar Imam's).
• --- It is to be noted that mawlana hazar imam address the jamat as "My beloved spiritual children". So it is He who has made "you out of one soul".
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I am sorry br. anajmi. Your head must be spinning by now.
Wasalaam
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do you know what that means?? oh never mind.