That should make Jayanti happy that finally we are true Bohras and Kotharis are who knows what??
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It is like "When rape is inevitable, lie down and enjoy it"omabharti wrote:Jayanti is trying to reform us, and BY DEFINITION, SHE OR HE BECOMES A REFORMIST
There is after all some benefits of Kotharis (regressives) visiting this forum they do want to reform and thus become part of reformists.
Hello Admin,Admin wrote:Because PDB is not an organization. It is a movement, you can be its supporter but not its member. This is a trivial point, and we have nothing more to say on this matter.Mubarak wrote:
Dear Brother Mutmaeen sahib,mutmaeen wrote:mr mubarak
as u said that the dai is above mazun mukasir and other mumins-surely if the imam wanted a discontinuation of the chain of doat ul mutlaqeen that phenomenon should have been made clear by the dai-46th dai if we presume ur theory is correct-how come syedi sheikh sadiq ali became the news breaker of this and not the 46th or an earlier dai?
omabharti wrote:Quote by Mubarak
"How come Prophet Eesa ibn Maryam (a.s.) in Inzeel (Bible) became the news breaker that after him will come the last Prophet in chain of Prophet - Mohammed (s.a.) and not the Prophet Mohammed (s.a.) himself?"
Can you please enlighten us which bible(there are different versions of Bible) and which verse it is mentioned about Prophet Jesus (pbuh) talking about Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) as last Prophet? Please provide authentic answer and not hearsay.
BTW Prophet Mohammed did say that he is last messenger from Allah and that is one of pillars of Islamic faith that there will no more messengers or prophets after Prophet Mohammed (pbuh).
Since Ahmadyahs (Qadianis) do not subscribe to this they have been declared as NON MUSLIM by all Muslim countries.
mutmaeen wrote:MR MUBARAK
we are deviating from the moot point
just as nabi himself or his preceding nabi predicted that the chain of nabiyeen will end with rasul e khuda pbuh did the 46th dai himself or his predecesssor predict that the chain of dais will end with moulana badruddin? if not then how come a denomination below the dai have the power to read into the discomtinuation of such a chain which the dai himself couldnt?
mutmaeen wrote:MR MUBARAK
we are deviating from the moot point
just as nabi himself or his preceding nabi predicted that the chain of nabiyeen will end with rasul e khuda pbuh did the 46th dai himself or his predecesssor predict that the chain of dais will end with moulana badruddin? if not then how come a denomination below the dai have the power to read into the discomtinuation of such a chain which the dai himself couldnt?
Dear Brother Mutmaeen,mutmaeen wrote:there is no rule or book but plain logic says that if the spiritually blessed dai who is bestowed with the ta eed of imam uz zamaan cant predict a major event then how can his sub ordinate do so?
S. Insaf wrote:There is a verse in the Diwan of Shaikh Sadiq Ali at page 103 of the second volume of 1233 edition which runs as under:-
Dai Zoeb pehla ne chhe Badruddin khatim
Meaning: Dai Zoeb (Sayedna Zoeb bin Musa) was the first Dai-ul-Mutlaq in order and 46th Dai Badruddin (Sayedna Mohammad Badruddin bin Abdeali Saifuddin) was the last Dai-ul-Mutlaq.
This was construed to be a prophecy as Shaikh Sadiq Ali had died before the death of Sayedna Mohammad Badruddin Saheb. Late Sayedna Taher Saifuddin Saheb had also refered this verse in his book "Zue-Nure-Haqqul-Mubin at page 99-103 and refuted it as misprint.