Understanding the Taxes imposed on Bohras

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Understanding the Taxes imposed on Bohras

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Unread post by S. Insaf » Fri Jun 05, 2009 1:29 pm

Understanding the Taxes imposed on Bohras Part - I

The government in each country imposes on its citizens various taxes like ‘income-tax’, ‘sales-tax’, ‘excise duty’ etc. in order to fulfill various projects like construction and maintenance of roads, lights, bridges, houses, dams, transport, postal services, educational and cultural institutions etc. Each government makes budgets and remains accountable to the public for the surplus and the deficits.

Where as Dawoodi Bohra Dai who runs a parallel government within a government in every country and imposes and forcefully collects taxes but remains unaccountable. Sayedna Saheb neither announces the welfare projects to be carried out during the coming year nor specifies any budget for their completion.

Take for example ‘Saifee Hospital’. Crores of rupees of the community was spent just to get hold of the land of Sir Adamji Peerbhoy Trust and erase his noble name by Sayedna Saheb’s family members. The Sayedna’s lawyers and solicitors spent 30 years in fighting court cases. Then there was no estimation given for the demolition of existing Sanatorium and construction of the hospital. A world-wide campaign was started for collecting funds in the name of the hospital. In the ‘wajebat forms an amount ‘for Saifee Hospital’ was added and money was collected from each and every Bohra for the hospital which is a public hospital and all the benefits gained from it goes directly in Kothar’s coffer. A hospital which was declared open with lots of fun fair is hardly talked about now. This is an example from the recent history known to every one.

Sayedna Saheb’s establishment has become so powerful and arrogant because of the huge amount of money it has extorted from the community on various occasions that it refuses to submit any account. They have floated numbers of trusts and managing it by bribing the government official and submitting accounts for years. They are taking full advantage of corruption in Charity Commissioner’s offices and waqf boards.

Beside taxes imposed by the local Jamats on occasions like Birthday celerabation of Sayedna, Imamuz-Zaman, Mazoon and Mukasir, Arz to Sayedna, his ikram on arrival, Najwa, Kadambosi, Tallaqi, Nawizishat, Darees, nikah, burial, vaiz, majlis, renovation of masjids and mazars, etc. there is a compulsory Annual Collection by center from all Dawoodi Bohras through out the world in the name of ‘Wajebat’ and ‘Sabil’. The slave Bohras pay various taxes imposed by Sayedna’s establishment. Some pay thinking that it is their religious duty and others pay to safeguard their social and family interests.

So is there any justice in Taxes imposed on us? Let’s find out:-

The Wajebat (meaning compulsory or obligatory payments) includes Zakat, Sila Fitra, Khums, Haqqun nafs, Nazar muqam and salaam.



1) Zakat: Islam came in Arabia as a powerful message for social revolution and serious challenge to vested interests when there were the moral and social crises generated due to extreme concentration of wealth in few hands and extreme poverty of large section of the society. We should understand the importance of Zakat in this context.

The holy Qur’an spells out that the Zakat is meant to be spent on orphans, poor and needy, to set free slaves, paying debts of the indebted, providing facilities to the wayfarers. Qur’an is truly a book of Hikma (wisdom) so it has prescribed Zakat but not its rate. The principle of infaq (spending) in Qur’an lays down that one should spend whatever is superfluous. The rate of Zakat as two and half percent was prescribed by the holy Prophet for equitable distribution of wealth in then prevailing situation. It is not the quantum of Zakat but its principle which is important.

The transfer of a part of wealth from rich to poor is necessary to create some sort of balance in the society leading to social justice. Otherwise if rich becomes careless of plight of weaker sections of society it will lead to unrest and the wealth of rich will become unsafe.

Today in our Dawoodi Bohra community Zakat has become a ritual and rather than bridging the gap between rich and poor it is helping just one family to get richer year after year. Therefore unless we pay Zakat directly to the needy its purpose will be not be fullfilled.

We have also to understand the complexities of industrial economy. Two and half percent rate of Zakat in capitalist industrial economy can not bridge the income differences between wage earners and their capitalist masters. On the contrary it would bring about concentration of wealth in few hands leading to social injustice. Thus in order to effect the transfer wealth from rich to poor it would be necessary to decide from time to time how much rich must be taxed. It is not the quantum of Zakat but its principle which is important.

Today the Zakat fund must be used to provide interest-free loans to weaker sections of the society in order to meet their requirements like housing, food education etc. Debt relief, health care, unemployment allowance, release and rehabilitation of bonded labours and some such social welfare causes.
It is anti-Quran and anti-Islam to hand over the due Zakat money to persons who are already rich and rolling in luxury.

In the Part II we shall understand other taxes.

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Unread post by mutmaeen » Sat Jun 06, 2009 1:05 am

how was zakaat paid and collected during the times of rasul e khuda[saw] and moulana ali[sa]?

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Unread post by S. Insaf » Sat Jun 06, 2009 12:43 pm

Regarding Zakat the holy Qur’an says: “Innamas sadaqaato lil fuqararaae wal masaakeen…….” Sadaaqa is some thing given with sincerity and not by compulsion. During holy Prophet’s time there was no state machinery to collect Zakat and it was voluntary donation. Even during short period of Hazrat Abu Bakar there was no state machinery. But a tribe opposed the Zakat and Hazrat Abu baker fought a war against them known as “Battle of Riddha”. After the conquest of Iran Hazrat Umar learnt the art of state machinery from Rome and Iran and introduced the same in the Islamic state. Even during Hazrat Ali’s caliphate Zakat was collected by state machinery. In those days war booty was also a part of Zakat Fund known as Baytul-Maal or public treasury of which only one fifth was kept and the rest was distributed. But even then Zakat was voluntary no force was used. The caliph had to run the affairs of state and as there were no other taxes Zakat fund was the only source then. It started during Hazrat Umar’s time that the salaries were paid to the state police and soldiers.

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Unread post by S. Insaf » Sun Jun 07, 2009 12:51 am

After Hazrat Ali the power went in the hands of Umayyad who were most oppressive and all Islamic principles were floated. What is being followed in Dawoodi Bohra Community since Sayedna Taher Saifuddin Saheb’s time is Umayyad model of rule.

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Unread post by jayanti » Sun Jun 07, 2009 10:40 am

S.Insaf, you dont have any thing to do!!!!!

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Unread post by S. Insaf » Sun Jun 07, 2009 10:47 am

Sorry for the typing error! Please read as "After Hazrat Ali the power went in the hands of Umayyad who were most oppressive and all Islamic principles were flouted or violated."

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Unread post by S. Insaf » Sun Jun 07, 2009 11:07 am

Dear Jayanti,
This forum is meant to understand our Dawoodi Bohra Faith and practices and reform them (if necessary) as per Islamic and Quranic teachings. What wrong you find in my trying to understand them with an open debate?

Brother mutmaeen had asked me, “how was zakaat paid and collected during the times of rasul e khuda[saw] and moulana ali[sa]?” and I replied him to the best of my knowledge.

The governors (Amils) of Umayyad rule were oppressive and exploitative just like Amils in Dawoodi Bohra Community today. That is a historical fact. That is why I understand that “What is being followed in Dawoodi Bohra Community since Sayedna Taher Saifuddin Saheb’s time is Umayyad model of rule.” If I am wrong please correct me.

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Unread post by jayanti » Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:22 am

Dear S.Inaf,
As per my knowledge u are the member of progressive reform,when u collect money ( zakat )frm your member what you do with it,we dont ask so just mind your self and just progress your reform movement.
By the way how you feeling and how is your health.May allah grant you health life.

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Unread post by S. Insaf » Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:51 am

Understanding the Taxes imposed on Bohras - Part II

1) Sila: Sila-al-Imam or simply Sila is not a part of Islamic Shari’ah but it is a much later invention and found only in Dawoodi Bohra faith. There is no mention of Sila in Daim al Islam. The Bohra priestly class collects Sila as compulsory tax under pretension that it is an offering for hidden Imam. But hidden Imam according Sayedna Taher Saifuddin Saheb is imaginary so the Sila-al-Imam collection goes no where but in Sayedna Saheb’s coffer.
So it is not at all obligatory to pay any amount towards Sila to Amil or Sayedna Saheb.

2) Fitrah: It is according to Islamic Shari’ah. It must be directly given to the poor and needy on behalf of one’s family members so that they can also celebrate Idd on the day of Ramadan Idd. It could be in form of grains, cloths or cash. Fitra should be paid directly to the needy person a day before the Idd.
So it is not obligatory to pay any amount to Amil or Sayedna Saheb in the name of Fitra.

3) Khums: It means one fifth - that is one fifth of the War Booty. As per the Qur’an one fifth of War Booty could be retained and rest to be distributed among poor and needy and war soldiers. The one fifth amount retained was for the holy Prophet for up keeping his family and performing other functions as the head of umma. Wars are not fought now and hence no War Booty received.

But according to Shia faith Khums was levied as one fifth of the unexpected wealth. It was meant to be paid to Imam of the time who had to run the affairs of state. Today there is no state and no Imam on the surface.
So it is not obligatory to pay any amount to Amil or Sayedna Saheb in the name of Khums.

4) Haqqun nafs: It is not as per Quran or Islamic Shariah. This is only a Dawoodi Bohra custom introduced by Bohra Dai in the name of salvation of the soul of a deceased. Bohras can not bury their dead unless they pay Haqqun nafs to the Amil or Sayedna. But it has nothing to do with Islamic Shariah.

5) Nazar Mukam: This is also not as per Quran or Islamic Shariah. It is vow (mannat) money kept aside as offering to hidden Imam. When an orthodox Dawoodi Bohra goes out of his/her house for any adventurous work, or when he/she is in trouble like some dear one has not returned home - lost his/her way in journey - faced with some natural calamity – involved in some legal matter etc. he/she makes a vow to keep aside certain sum of money as offering to hidden Imam and later distributes it among poor and needy Muslims.

Earlier every Dawoodi Bohra house used to keep a separate box of collecting Nazar-Mukam. The money then was given as loan to help some Bohra/s in need and the receiver/s also used to treat this amount as offering to Imam and return as and when he/she was able to pay back.

According to “Haqiqatun Naiaam” a risla written by Sayedi Khoj bin Malak “the system of Nazar-Mukam was devised by our 23rd Sayedna Peerkhan Shujauddin in Ahmedabad. The reason was that Sayedna Qutbuddin Shaheed was beheaded by Sunni ruler of Gujarat and under fear and pressure Dawoodi Bohras were converting to Sunni faith. Some were converted due to economical constraints. To help such needy Bohras, Sayedna Peerkhan Saheb had devised this custom of Nazar-Mukam. Since it benefited the needy Bohras in time of difficulty successive Dais also kept the custom continued among Bohras.

In general Shias there is a tradition of tying some coins on the right arm of a dear one who is going on journey or for any adventurous work. It is known as “Imam Zamin”. Perhaps Sayedna Peerkhan Saheb coined the word Nazar-Imam on the same line which later on came to be known as Nazar-Mukam.

The meaning of word Nazar Mukam: Nazar or Nazarana means offering and Mukam means occasion (like we say “yeh gaur karne ka Mukam hai). Therefore Nazar-Mukan means “Occasional offering” not regular offering like Zakat. Now off course like Zakat and Fitra, Nazar-Mukam is also forcefully collected by the Amils of Sayedna Saheb. It has now lost its signifance at it does not help Bohras in need and therefore it is not obligatory to pay any amount to Amil or Sayedna Saheb in the name of Nazar Mukam.

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Unread post by Aarif » Tue Jun 09, 2009 12:16 pm

Br. Insaf,

Thanks for an excellent post.. It clarified quite a few concepts
Haqqun nafs: It is not as per Quran or Islamic Shariah. This is only a Dawoodi Bohra custom introduced by Bohra Dai in the name of salvation of the soul of a deceased. Bohras can not bury their dead unless they pay Haqqun nafs to the Amil or Sayedna. But it has nothing to do with Islamic Shariah.
When my brother passed away the corrupt Aamil was negotiating the amount of Haqqun nafs with me and said that aa toh Khuda ni raah maa aapo cho, koi kami naa karjo. He had no concern for my dead brother. Its not that I could not have paid him that money but its just that knowing them so well I could clearly see through that he was just trying to make as much money as possible from me on this sad occasion. Our community has gone to dogs. Its a real sorry state of affairs...

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Tue Jun 09, 2009 12:54 pm

Aarif wrote: Our community has gone to dogs. Its a real sorry state of affairs...
bro arif,

pls do not denigrate dogs. they are very loyal, loving and devoted. they give 100 times more in return than they take, which is totally contradictory to the behaviour of the kothar and amils.

my condolences on yr brother's sad demise. may Allah give u the strength to bear his loss and may he enjoy the peace of paradise. Aameen.

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Unread post by Aarif » Tue Jun 09, 2009 2:39 pm

Br. AZ,

I stand corrected.. It is definitely an insult to compare these blood suckers to dogs.

Also, thanks for your condolences.. My brother was a young man who passed away some three and a half years back. Br. Insaf's post just reminded me how the Aamil was acting smart trying to get as much money out of me as possible for Haqun Nafs which does not even exist as per Islam... Shame on these liers.

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Tue Jun 09, 2009 4:56 pm

Aarif wrote:Br. Insaf's post just reminded me how the Aamil was acting smart trying to get as much money out of me as possible for Haqun Nafs which does not even exist as per Islam... Shame on these liers.
Bro Aarif,

What makes you think that bohras are a part of Islam ? Bro this a religion or rather a cult which is miles away from the true Islam as preached by the Prophet s.a.w. and the faith is just used as a tool and which is manipulated by the leaders only to amass wealth for themselves. It is like Bal thackerey, BJP and RSS using hinduism to make money and fool the masses although they are miles away from hindu faith. In the same way Boharaism is just a business and nothing else which you can witness in the form of unrealistic taxes imposed on the followers, using Imam Hussain a.s. name to make enormous money in the holy month of Mohurrum, selling insignifacant titles of Sheikhs, mullas, NKD's etc., extorting money to pray in masjids by way of selling masalla space, squeezing money from the aggreived relatives of their dead followers by extorting money in the name of a dead person instead of sharing their sorrow which in a simple language is called KAFAN CHOR.

While on the subject I remember an incident of the mid nineties when a friend of mine had to pay Rs.2.52 lacs to bury his relative in naryalwadi, mumbai. The amount was split equally under 2 headings--- a) amount for burial b) amount towards haqun nafs.

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Tue Jun 09, 2009 5:06 pm

ghulam muhammed wrote:[Bro Aarif,

What makes you think that bohras are a part of Islam ? Bro this a religion or rather a cult which is miles away from the true Islam as preached by the Prophet s.a.w. and the faith is just used as a tool and which is manipulated by the leaders only to amass wealth for themselves. .
bro. gm,

a correction with all due respect. bohras are and were always a part of islam, and in fact a shining example to all others with their simplicity, high thinking, integrity, education and peaceful behaviour and charity towards others. its only the last 2 syednas who have perverted and manipulated the religion and the community toward their own nefarious ends.

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Unread post by ozmujaheed » Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:30 pm

Whether in the past we were good examples is irrelevant.

Bohras now as practised by the majority are not an example of mainstream Islam. There is major deviation in belief , rituals, intent and thinking.

It is a public sham when we pretend to have association with Islam so as not to get kicked out as Ahamdiya or Aga Khanis. The building of tombs and public associations is to make the rest of the Muslims feel obligated and courteous so as to turn a blind eye to the Shirk and massive mis-representation we practise.

My feeling is that I have so much faith in the attractiveness of Islam that the day we get kicked out and we draw a line in the sand the majority intellectual youth will automatically denounce association with Bohraism and come back to Islam .

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Unread post by humble_servant_us » Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:09 am

Even during short period of Hazrat Abu Bakar there was no state machinery. But a tribe opposed the Zakat and Hazrat Abu baker fought a war against them known as “Battle of Riddha”.
From the above post it seems that the forceful collection of Zakat by Bohras is on the lines of Abu-Bakr.

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Unread post by S. Insaf » Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:24 am

No sir, tribe was fought and won because it had refused and not only refused but was opposed to the concept of "Zakat" and public treasury and were openly inciting the masses against this principle of Quran.
Payment of Zakat is obligatory but collecting Zakat from others forcefully is against Islam, which our last two Dia saheban are doing.

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Unread post by S. Insaf » Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:27 am

1) By the way how you feeling and how is your health. May Allah grant you healthy life.

2) As per my knowledge u are the member of progressive reform, when u collect money ( zakat ) from your member what you do with it, we don’t ask so just mind your self and just progress your reform movement.
Dear Jayanti,

1) Thanks for your concern. By the grace of Allah I am having a healthy life and quite active in researching books, having discussions with knowledgeable persons as usual and sharing my understanding with you all through this forum.

2) There is no Raza and Salaam in the reformist Jamats and hence no superiority and no harassment of any one.

I admit that since the reformist Bohras were, for long, subjected to certain un-Islamic innovations introduced especially by 51st and 52nd Dais the mindset of even reformists needs reform. But since the evils of superiority of Mullas and Raza have been abolished things are changing very fast.

The members of reformist Jamat are free to give the Zakat money to Jamat if they wish or spend directly as per Quranic instructions, there is no compulsion.
There is no harassment of Haqqun nafs and Ruka-chitthi and Jamat I-cards and dress code and growing beards and hanging photos of Jamat head in houses and in shop and salaam and contribution for renovation of masjids etc.

Reformist Mullas perform their religious and social duties free of charge. As per their mindset some may offer Salaam money to them but there is no practice.

Please allow me quote this from Nahjul Balagha:

“Haris bin Sohail, the governor (Amil) of Koofa during Hazrat Ali’s caliphate once was riding through the city. He saw Hazrat Ali (a.s.) also riding. He out of respect immediately got down from his horse to accompany Hazrat Ali on foot. Hazrat Ali stopped his horse and said to him, “It ill-becomes a man to lower himself before another man but his God. Please get upon your horse. Even if you were an ordinary subject of the state I would not allowed yourself to lower yourself like this. The sight of such humiliation of man before man never pleases me. It is the worst form of tyranny which can be practiced.”

Dear Jayanti when our Sayedna Saheb, his shahzadas or his Amil demands our Bohra brother and sisters lower down themselves with folded hands before them are they not practicing “worst form of tyranny” according to Hazrat Ali (a.s.). Please note that this tyranny is the root cause of exploitation and persecution in our community introduced by our 51st Dai to establish his superiority which we must get rid off as soon as possible.

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Unread post by Aarif » Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:24 pm

Br. GM,

I agree with Br. AZ. It is the present syedna and his father who are responsible for the downfall of Dawoodi bohras as muslims. These two have done everything possible to create a parallel faith (I will not call it a cult) fooling gullible bohras that it is in line with preachings of Islam.

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Wed Jun 10, 2009 4:40 pm

Al Zulfiqar wrote:bro. gm,

a correction with all due respect. bohras are and were always a part of islam, and in fact a shining example to all others with their simplicity, high thinking, integrity, education and peaceful behaviour and charity towards others. its only the last 2 syednas who have perverted and manipulated the religion and the community toward their own nefarious ends.
Bro Al Zulfiqar,

Thanks for correcting my post. I agree that the community has earned a bad name with respect to the Islamic principles due to the last two dais.

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Unread post by S. Insaf » Fri Jun 12, 2009 12:29 am

Understanding the Taxes imposed on us Part - III (Concluding part)

Off late more resentment in the community has taken place on many fold increased in Sabil. So let us understand the concept of Sabil.

SABIL: Sabil is not a part of Quranic injunctions or Islamic Shari’ah or Shia or Dawoodi Bohra faith. It is a very recent innovation introduced by Sayedna Taher Saifuddin since 1961.

In Dawoodi Bohra history during our 38th Dai Sayedna Ismailji Badruddin Saheb’s time his Mazoon, Sayedi Abdul Qadar Hakimuddin Ibne Mulla Khan Saheb who was born in Rampura (M.P.) but stationed at Burhanpur had introduced “Sabil” strictly for maintenance of old masjid in Burhanpur to be collected by the local Jamat and spend on masjid repairs. It was temporary measure just to serve a local purpose for a certain period. It was a very nominal (Re. 1 per family) voluntary donation.

Sabil literally means “way” or “offering help or drinking water to passerby” is derived from Quranic world “Fi sabilillah” (in the way or name of Allah).

The reform movement under the banner of “Madhyast Pragati Mandal” was at its peek in 1961 and had become source of embarrassment for Sayedna Taher Saifuddin as its voice had reached in the Indian Parliament and reform movement’s mouth piece “Bohra Bulletin” was gaining popularity in the community. The Mandal was planning to hold a world Dawoodi Bohra conference in Bombay.
The shrewd and scheming Sayedna Taher Saifuddin Saheb then called the then reformist leaders Noman Contractor and Fazle Abbas Zamindar and promised them that he (the Sayedna) will organize a world Dawoodi Bohra conference in Bombay to discuss and adopt the reformists’ demands.
After that Sayedna Saheb separately called Fazle Abbas Zamindar and convinced him to stop Bohra Bulletin and dissolve Madhyast Pragati Mandal. Noman contractor refused to do so and Zamindar resigned from the movement. It was a major setback, but Sayedna had succeeded in breaking down the momentum of reform.

Sayedna Taher Saifuddin Saheb organized a one-day Convention on 5th June 1961 at Saifee Masjid Bombay. Noman Contractor and other reformists were not invited. Various schemes for welfare and economic upliftment of the community were put forward and sanctioned. Then Yusuf Najmuddin raised a question “For materializing these welfare schemes through out the community ‘large fund’ will be required, who is going to foot the finance?” Then after some close consultation with Sayedna Saheb he after quoting from Quran at length he said “Allah helps those who help themselves” and with blessings and foresight of Aqa Maula he announced a new Tax “Sabil" saying that the quantum of the tax would be decided by our Bawa Shafeeq.

Initially Sabil was charged on the basis of individual’s income, with a condition that the defaulter/s would be severely panelized and the amount would be recovered with penalty at the time of death or marriage. Thus a voluntary donation was turned in to compulsory (Wajib) tax.

All the welfare scheme and economic upliftment was soon forgotten – but Sabil tax remained.

Now even the earlier basis decided by Sayedna Taher Saifuddin Saheb on which Sabil tax was to be calculated has been forgotten and Sabil is imposed most arbitrarily.

Now Sabil is imposed even on business establishment, shops and factories to extort as much money in the name of Sabil as possible.

The rate of Sabil is increased many fold years after year and it is collected most ruthlessly.

Again crores of rupees are separately collected in the name of renovation and maintenance of masjid through out the world.

Holy month of Ramazan is fast approaching. For Muslims in general it is a month of fasting, prayers and realizing the sufferings of other fellow beings. But for Sayedna Saheb’s establishment Ramazan is a month of extortion, exploitation and amassing maximum wealth.
It is therefore important to understand the taxes the establishment imposes on Bohras and extort under the threat of “Baraat” (excommunication) which is a new innovation. It is illegal, un-Islamic and inhuman. Today since a case against “Baraat” is pending in the Supreme Court of India with its forgone conclusion the Amils dare not excommunicate any one though they may threaten.

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Unread post by broadminded » Fri Jun 12, 2009 8:50 am

Aarif Bhai, I am very impressed with your hard work and the information you have provided. makes a lot of sense. Hope we all can learn and impart this knowledge to our family and friends so they can inturn argue and stand solid when amils makes crazy demands of wajebat.

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Unread post by Aarif » Fri Jun 12, 2009 4:44 pm

broadminded wrote:Aarif Bhai, I am very impressed with your hard work and the information you have provided. makes a lot of sense. Hope we all can learn and impart this knowledge to our family and friends so they can inturn argue and stand solid when amils makes crazy demands of wajebat.
Broadminded,

I guess its a typo and you are reffering to Insaf Bhai..

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Unread post by broadminded » Fri Jun 12, 2009 6:24 pm

ooops!!!! my compliment was meant for S. Insaf bhai..Your postings are great as well..aarif sahab...

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sat Jun 13, 2009 6:25 pm

S. Insaf wrote:Sayedna Saheb’s establishment has become so powerful and arrogant because of the huge amount of money it has extorted from the community on various occasions
Allah swt has mentioned in the Holy Quran, the fate of the likes of kothar as under:-

“And let those who hoard gold and silver and do not spend them in the way of Allah know that a severe and painful punishment is awaiting them.” [At-Tauba: 34]

“On the day their wealth will be heated in hell fire, and with which their foreheads, flanks and backs will be branded” [At-Tauba: 35]

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Re: Understanding the Taxes imposed on Bohras

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Unread post by SBM » Sat Jun 13, 2009 8:13 pm

Br. GM
Can you stop quoting Quran in every posting you have. I know you may be a scholar in Islamic Studies but the problems Bohras have is with current and immediate past DAI and many Reformist Bohras do understand and read Quran with translation(as they do not seek RAZA from Syedna to do so) therefore placing the Ayahs on this board is not going to serve any purpose unless YOU CAN DO THIS ON MALUMAAT MESSAGE BOARD it is the BLIND followers of Syedna who need the reference from Quran
I do not mean to disregard your knowledge but sometimes using too many references does loose its importance like Maatam in every gathering
NO DISRESPECT TO YOU, JUST AN OBSERVATION.

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Re: Understanding the Taxes imposed on Bohras

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Unread post by Aqa Moula_Zindabad » Sun Jun 14, 2009 6:08 am

omabharti wrote:Br. GM
Can you stop quoting Quran in every posting you have. I know you may be a scholar in Islamic Studies but the problems Bohras have is with current and immediate past DAI and many Reformist Bohras do understand and read Quran with translation(as they do not seek RAZA from Syedna to do so) therefore placing the Ayahs on this board is not going to serve any purpose unless YOU CAN DO THIS ON MALUMAAT MESSAGE BOARD it is the BLIND followers of Syedna who need the reference from Quran
I do not mean to disregard your knowledge but sometimes using too many references does loose its importance like Maatam in every gathering
NO DISRESPECT TO YOU, JUST AN OBSERVATION.
he is not a scholar in islamic studies...for sure.....he is mastering his copy & paste skills :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Re: Understanding the Taxes imposed on Bohras

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Unread post by SBM » Sun Jun 14, 2009 8:33 am

AQA MOULA ZOMBIE
that post was not meant for you and I do not think GM has given you the power of attorney to speak on his behalf, He is very capable of understanding my email and post his own reply.

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Re: Understanding the Taxes imposed on Bohras

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sun Jun 14, 2009 6:02 pm

Omabharti,

The references are only a reminder to the ones who have forgotten the commandments of Allah swt. Iam no scholar at all but just an ordinary normal person. Your observations too are quite valid.

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Re: Understanding the Taxes imposed on Bohras

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Unread post by S. Insaf » Mon Jun 15, 2009 5:36 am

Dear Aqaq Maula,
Your over reaction and outburst compels me to think that you firmly believe that only one person in the whole world is qualified as Islamic scholar.
Please tell me according to you who can be an Islamic scholar?
One, who keeps a copy of Qur’an all the times in his hand, claims himself "Hafiz-e-Quran" and suddenly, as late as in 1980, comes to know that "interest is prohibited in Islam" and renders thousands jobless.
Is understanding of Qur’an and Islam the monopoly of just one person?
And person who does every thing un-Islamic - amassing wealth, sajda before him, claming "Quran-e-Natiq", terrorizing and harassing people? He claims to be "Kabatul-Musalleen" but does not offer namaz in other Muslim masjids nor does he allow other Muslims to pray in masjids under his control. He throws out people from masjids coming for prayer. He practices un-Islamic Raza, Misaq for Dai and Baraat. Islam does not believe in miracles but he runs his entire business only on fake miracles. Is he a scholar of Islam?
He also collects taxes in the name Islam which has no relevence with Islam, which I have tried to explain here. You have NOT said a word about it.

Please Brother! I do not want you hurt you. But truth hurts.