Supererogatory Refuge of the Pseudo Super-Pious

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S. Insaf
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Supererogatory Refuge of the Pseudo Super-Pious

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Unread post by S. Insaf » Wed Sep 16, 2009 2:01 pm

Supererogatory Refuge of the Pseudo Super-Pious
By SYED HUSAIN PASHA
Curtsy - RADIANCE Viewweekly 9-15 August 2009


Auron ka hai Payaam aur, mera Payaam aur hai,
Ishq key dardmand ka tarz-e-kalaam aur hai! (Iqbal)

Some of those whom Allah had blessed with wealth and resources thought Islam meant going to Hajj over and over and over again as if Baitullah meant, may God Almighty forgive me for uttering such nonsense, Ma'adallah, that it was the place where God lived.
They forgot that Hajj was a Fareedah - a requirement -only once in their life.
Thereafter it was extra stuff that you do when you have nothing more important or urgent to do in your life such as, for example, the following:
Taking the Qur'an to every home and heart that needs it, which one does not.
Feeding every mouth that was hungry.
Clothing everybody that was naked.
Protecting every orphan.
Ensuring honourable remarriage options/opportunities to every window.
Making sure every male and female child received the best education possible.
Stopping every oppressor.
Guaranteeing the rights of every oppressed.
Ensuring peace and security to every human being that was fearful.
Protecting every animal from abuse.
Saving every forest from wanton destruction.
Keeping everybody of water safe from pollution.
Safeguarding every natural resource from waste or abuse.
Keeping every people and region of the world from domination and exploitation.
Keeping earth and its environment safe from pollution.
Reshaping a dysfunctional and archaic educational system.
Working to usher in more freedoms to their own people.
Doing something, anything, to relieve the chokehold of feudal structures from the throats of Muslims.
Working to break the stranglehold of usury, interest and Riba on the lives of those around them.
Making arrangements to provide interest-free loans for the people in their communities and neighbourhoods - both Muslim and non-Muslim.
Trying to replace the tyrannies in their societies with political structures and institutions that were more open, responsive and accountable to "The People."
Working tirelessly to replace the various dictatorships in their midst by individuals and power arrangements that were freely elected by a well-informed citizenry.
You can add your own list of priority items here in the list of priority items here in the light of the Qur'an and Hadith - And Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).
And common sense, for a great deal of Islam is common sense.
These are all compulsory things in the sense that they are all required of all Muslims. They are thus moral, social and "religious" obligations. And they are political and survival and success imperatives in any society.
But these pseudo superpious Muslims in search of a purer 'Aqeedah and a cleaner and more direct shot at Jannat keep boosting up their credentials with multiple extra Hajj and other supererogatory rituals, while forgetting the obligations they have towards the widows, the hungry, the needy, the poor and the orphans in their midst.
And they forget those groaning under the burden of crushing and impossible debts right before their eyes. They forget that helping people to pay off their legitimate debts is an Islamic obligation.
They ignore the most pressing social and political issues in their societies. They develop myopia about the dictatorial, tyrannical and corrupt governments and power structures that dominate their lands.
They rarely if ever stop to shed a tear or move a muscle about reshaping the shamefully derelict educational systems that prevail among them.
They see Riba - or interest based economies and dealings engulf them from every side and do little to change that state of affairs. They see the poor and the hungry and the sick claw at their clothes constantly and brush them aside.
In a place like India they see a curse like Dowry dominate Mulim social life and blight the marriages of young Muslim maids and the lives of their hapless parents, and they pretend as if they were not even aware of it.
They see near - total illiteracy define the culture of places like Afghanistan, and they do not shed a tear. Nor do they lift a finger to change that situation. In places like Pakistan they see and live in the middle of a gaping social, educational and cultural black hole where a dynamic, most up-to-date and creative educational system should have been, and it does not bother them.
They see oppressive feudal social and agrarian structues dominate palces like Pakistan, reducing hundreds of millions of Muslim men, women and children to generational serfdom and slavery in modern age and sowing the seeds of corruption everywhere, and they donot say or do anything about it.
They see Muslim resources plundered and squandered by Muslim rulers and their non-Muslim cronies, masters and mentors and they pretend it was not happening. They seem to hold the view that it was not their business.
Their oil - Muslim oil - ran and powered the world and acted as the life-blood of modern civilization for decades. Yet that oil sold for $2 a barrel for the longest time. The money from that oil was used to support a life of personal, moral and social decadence on the widest scale by those in power in their societies.
To service and sustain the faltering economies of the lands and societies that controlled and protected them.
That money was used to turn their lands into slave-holding pens and concentration-style labour camps of the like the world had never seen in centuries using mostly cheap labour from impoverished Muslim lands, while "expatriates" with second and third-rate qualifications and dubious pasts and questionable motives and intentions lived like lords and princes in their midst as supervisors, guests and visitors.
They see Muslim land after Mulsim land lapse in the grips of the worst political and sociocultural tyranny and dictatorship in centuries and they do no even complain or protest about it. Not even in private. Not even, it would appear, to their God. They simply go about their lives as if it was all business as usual.
To many of these super-Muslims it was all about so-called 'Aqeedah' and 'Aamal' and it had nothing to do with common sense or reality or rationality or everyday practicality, things that constitute the very essence of Islam in the Qur'an and in the life of the most blessed Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).
These pseudo super-pious are thus quite comfortable, in fact quite comfortable, in fact quite smug, in their imagined supererogatory refuge. They seek refuge in what they consider to be the "religion" of Islam from the very Deen of Islam that Allah sent into this world to help human beings run and mange the affairs of this world in the best possible manner.
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The purpose of posting this thought-provocaking article:
In our Dawoodi Bohra Community the Pseudo Super-Pious who are blessed with enormous wealth and resources do a lot of nonsensical things like spending huge amount on birthday celebrations year after year with street lights, paid advertisements in the newspapers, lavish feasts etc., organising hi pitched tamashas on the solemn occasion of Moharram, organising International Band Competitions, constructions of spacious air-conditioned masjids with most modern audio-video visual systems, world-wide relay of Bayans, Zikra gatherings so on so forth which does not benefit the community in any way.

aziz
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Unread post by aziz » Wed Sep 16, 2009 2:49 pm

How do you know it does not the benefit the community in anyway,you are not part of the community and will never be so will never know,
inspite of your fictitous dealings with unknown kothar and bhaisahebs whom you sometimes use to put your agenda across
Do you think all those thousands of people attending this functions are all fools and you are the only clever person

mhp
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Unread post by mhp » Wed Sep 16, 2009 3:42 pm

Dear Aziz,
Will you please tell me what we are gaining from these gatherings or functions? Similar words "Bhutho Khanjar, Lokhand na Moza", whether it is Ashura, or Zikra, or Lailatul Qadr or Eid or any event, either happy or sad event, Bohras are bound to hear these repeated words. Yes all these peoples are either fools or fanatic and in my opinion brain washed.

Say what you say

SBM
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Unread post by SBM » Wed Sep 16, 2009 3:53 pm

Aziz Quote
"Do you think all those thousands of people attending this functions are all fools and you are the only clever person"
Aziz
When Hilter gave speeches and asked the German to kill Jews they all agreed wtih Hitler, guess what now we know that all those who followed him were fools and brain washed. BTW Hitler was a devout Christian and a good Orator who captivated masses of people. Same thing happening now with Bohra community.

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Unread post by SBM » Thu Sep 17, 2009 6:33 am

Aziz
To add to this, today hundreds of thousands attend and watch the rally by TV Evangelists who despite the fact these preachers have mis-used the donation, have involved in illicit sex and other activities still believe in miracles by the preachers. Just to name few Swaggert, Baker, Robertson and Benny and yes all those who send them millions of dollars and believe their healing powers are nothing but Brain washed Fools. Remember GEORGE BUSH Jr. FOOLED MILLION OF EDUCATED IN THE WORLD BY SAYING THAT THEY HAVE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION IN IRAQ TO JUSTIFY HIS UNJUST WAR. THOSE WHO WERE FOOLED WERE LEADERS OF CO CALLED CIVILIZED WESTERN (educated) WORLD.

aziz
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Unread post by aziz » Thu Sep 17, 2009 6:48 am

Okay so according to progs we are fools and brainwashed or whatever,so the big question is why put yourselves in the same boat,surely you progs are enlightened and clever and all that. leave us brainwashed bohras alone peacefully

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Unread post by aziz » Thu Sep 17, 2009 6:54 am

Surely insaf or asger or whoever is not a prophet sent by allah to save us bohras from brainwashing,or is is that what they are claiming to be,because asger drinks and insaaf is a liar as proven by previous posts

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Unread post by SBM » Thu Sep 17, 2009 10:29 am

Aziz
Here you go, started abusing How about Yususf Najmuddin who was a womanizer and you do Qadamboosi, One of the grandson created a abduction with lots of money and did not cooperate with Police in investigation (Mid Day Report)
People were trying to have conversation with you without calling names and once again BRAINWASHED-DEAD HEAD MORONS come up with Insap ans ajgar. THEY ARE NOT DAIS AND DONOT TAKE MONEY AND BIG NAJWAAS LIKE YOUR CHOOR KOTHARIS GOONS
Nobody asked you to come to this forum if TRUTH HURTS YOU . GET OUT OF THE KITCHEN IF CAN NOT STAND HEAT
Allah has said in Quran that there are people whose hearts and brains are closed and he told Prophet Muhammed SAW that those cannot be educated and YOU FALL IN THAT CATEGORY.

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Unread post by aziz » Thu Sep 17, 2009 4:11 pm

What would call thousands of christians who go to listen to the pope,or millions of hindus who gather at melas or ganesh poojas or krishnas birthday celebrations,diwalis where fireworks worth millions are burnt, are they also brainwashed like us bohras because there also money is involved,hindus have rituals all the year round ,or for that matter millions of muslims who go to hit stone statues at hajj every year calling them devils they also must be brainwashed because they go round a black structure built by man and call it hajj,
according to you this must be highest form of brainwashing and foolishness because its not logical.
If its logical prove it logically

aziz
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Unread post by aziz » Thu Sep 17, 2009 4:13 pm

And like i said before according to you bohras are fools and brainwashed ,please leave stop calling yourself one,we do not want to be saved by you of all people

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Unread post by Muslim First » Thu Sep 17, 2009 4:19 pm

Pardon me Aziz
for that matter millions of muslims who go to hit stone statues at hajj every year calling them devils they also must be brainwashed because they go round a black structure built by man and call it hajj,
I believe Kothari Bohras also throw stone and go around around black stone. They probably are so stupid and brain washed that they do not know meaning of these acts.

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Unread post by SBM » Thu Sep 17, 2009 4:45 pm

Aziz
Do you see as pointed out by MF that you do have FOOT IN MOUTH disease. Ask for some PHOOK NU PAANI to cleanse your mouth and unfortunately nothing can be done about the BRAIN.

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Unread post by SBM » Thu Sep 17, 2009 4:47 pm

aziz wrote:And like i said before according to you bohras are fools and brainwashed ,please leave stop calling yourself one,we do not want to be saved by you of all people
You are coming on this forum

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Unread post by aziz » Thu Sep 17, 2009 5:09 pm

I thought wahabbis do not believe in taawil so am surprised that MF is talking about the meaning of hajj and stoning
and as usual omadonkey did not answer me at all

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Unread post by SBM » Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:16 pm

Aziz
R U the reincarnation of Gulp,,,,, Your post sound like that. Changing the identity does not make you any smarter, Your were
dumb before and dumber now. (the give away in this post is omadonkey which was used by Gulp)

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Unread post by aziz » Thu Sep 17, 2009 11:27 pm

A donkey will be called donkey by anybody and still you have not answered

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Unread post by SBM » Fri Sep 18, 2009 7:14 am

Gulpie aka Aziz
Answers to what questions?
WE ARE WAITING FOR THE ANSWERS FROM YOU
1- WHAT IS THE PROGRESS REPORT OF GOLD COLLECTED FOR ZARIH?
2- WHICH JAMAT AQZ IS DOING AUDITS FOR?
3- WHY SYEDNA DOES NOT TALK ABOUT HIS MOTHER AND DOES NOT DO ZIYARAT BUT GOES TO HIS FATHER'S GRAVE ON REGULAR BASIS?
4-HOW COME THERE IS POVERTY AMONG BOHRAS WHEN SYEDNA COLLECTED MILLIONS IN ZAKAT MONEY/
Can you answer these questions before you have the right to ask anyone else the questions.
BTW DO NOT GIVE US LECTURE ABOUT LEAVING YOUR SYEDNA ALONE SINCE YOU ARE ON A FORUM WHICH IS NOT RUN OR CONTROLLED BY HIM.

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Unread post by SBM » Fri Sep 18, 2009 5:10 pm

Aziz aka Gulpie
Read the following on this website:
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