coz if you dont belive him DAI then you have no rights to call your self a reformist.reformist can be only those who belive in DAI.
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Safiuddin wrote:Admin please delete this previous post by haqqun nafs
hi hq,haqqun nafs wrote:Safiuddin wrote:Admin please delete this previous post by haqqun nafs
sorry if i step on your tail.btw admin is already deleting my comments from other threads seems i am becomming a great threat on this whole F@#$% reformist movement lol.
Porus: Excellent example. This puts to rest the occassional rhetoric by them that if you dont like it just leave the fold. First, no one owns religion, second you said above.Similarly, reformists have taken upon themselves the task of liberating the community from clear deviation from recognized principles of their faith.
Inoticed that Admin deleted the expletives that you hurled at Insaaf Bhai - and that is fine. Regarding your claim of becoming a threat. . .well . . .you flatter yourself. (behavior learned during vaaez by Burhanuddin, Inc. ?)seems i am becomming a great threat on this whole F@#$% reformist movement lol
still u are running behnd your own tail.....do u belive him DAI E IMAM or not?S. Insaf wrote:Prof. AAA Faizee says: Since Sayedna Zoeb's appointment as the first Dai-ul-Mutlaq, there has been no authentic record of any Dai-ul-Mutlaq having established contact with the hidden Imam.
Also Sayedna Taher Saifuddin Saheb had said in Burhanpur Dargah case on oath in the court that "Existence of hidden Imam is imaginary and it's simply a part of belief and faith of the community."
Where is the question of Burhanuddin Saheb's appointment with the instruction and Raza of Imam-uz-Zaman?
And do you think that Imam will ever keep contact with an establishment stinking with so much corruption?
HN - which books in Bohra-ism establish such beliefs as authentic and as requirement If the Sultan's father himself said this was an imaginary belief why are you so stuck on it? This TUS is an ordinary man like you and I. He happens to have been appointed to this seat and in the opinion of many is not doing justice to it, due to his lust for power and money and lack of any real deen-i knowledge.do u belive him DAI E IMAM or not?
Haqqun nafs,I say that like all other reformist Bohras I also believe in the Fatemi Dawat and official position of the Dai.
correct. since the syedna is claiming false authority from imam he is a fake. and his father who confessed in court under solemn oath that the hidden imam is just a figment of imagination and does not exist, was also a fake.haqqun nafs wrote:ok so conclusion is you guys are not fighting for Imaan or for Islaam what u all want is share from the money which is collected world wide no matter for what reason and u are not happy that u guys are not living levish life as syedna is having ...ok point is close,if imaan is not your motive whole thing is fake.
In other words you are saying that dawat is nothing but money making machine. It is an instrument to seek debauchery and lavishness. Right? I said it because you said so. You are sure you said "Syedna is living levish life". You know what lavish means.ok so conclusion is you guys are not fighting for Imaan or for Islaam what u all want is share from the money which is collected world wide no matter for what reason and u are not happy that u guys are not living levish life as syedna is having ...ok point is close,if imaan is not your motive whole thing is fake.
As a cult member yourself, you will appreciate this. I did not believe in David Koresh or the Rajneesh either, but when I heard of the documented atrocities in those “communities” I wanted to support the reformers of those communities, but none existed and eventually the legal authorities got to them. I doubt if the legal authorities in India will ever get to you, so more power to the reformists.if you dont belive him DAI then you have no rights to call your self a reformist.reformist can be only those who belive in DAI.
according to you who is the authorised guardian of the faith...you or moula(tus).porus wrote:Being a Dawoodi Bohra is not at variance with being a Muslim. Introduction of un-Islamic characteristics in the community is of recent origin and reformists are clearly concerned about it.
Those who ask reformists to leave the fold are like a sick relative asking to be left alone in his sickness. Your concern for him will naturally lead you to seek his relief from sickness. You would not listen to him nor abandon him.
Similarly, reformists have taken upon themselves the task of liberating the community from clear deviation from recognized principles of their faith.
anajmi wrote:guy moron,
You wouldn't understand a simple answer. 10 different people have given the simple answer in 20 different ways and you still haven't figured it out. Your Dai is the guardian only of your pockets.
Hey HN - where did you learn such lisaan-e-dawaat. at the sabaks or was that during the ashara waez - sounds like words straight out of the noorani lips of the (princes) shehzadas? You are a true Abde.where is the fuc!@# moderator of this Fuc!@# forum? why cant he send this fuc!@# anajmi a guide book to respect others