ALAVI MISHAQ

[observer]

This is interesting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwlFY6Uw ... re=related
Who are these guys? He speaks my language.

[observer]

Watch this wise: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYXku2Bn ... re=related

[Human]

They are alavi bohras. You can read about them here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alavi_Bohra

They are very very similar to dawoodi bohras but much simpler in many ways which according to me is a good thing. This is what I wrote before about them on another thread:

"I would like to make a mention here about the 'Alavi Bohras' in Baroda. From my personal experience some years ago, their Aamil of Baroda or whatever their head of a city is called lives like a normal person. He has a small shop and he sells glasses, lenses, etc for a living. When they have niyaz, the head just comes and joins any thaal with the normal people. They don't have special treatment or special thaal with double the amounts of mithaas and kharaas and so much meat that would make a carnivore predator shy. He doesn't live off other people's money. He has his small shop and whatever he gets in salaams is gladly accepted as being a leading mulla is his voluntary participation and not a full time job like our aamils. All he does is conducts namaz on time and helps with getting ceremonies like nikah or mayyat sorted. He doesn't solely look after the jamaat and doesn't call all the shots."

[anajmi]

I was viewing the first link posted. The lecturer is saying that Allah sends two Farishtas, one on the right shoulder and one on the left shoulder after the misaq is completed and that this is mentioned in the quran. Is there anyone who can show me which ayahs he is referring to? (Taawil included).

[Muslim First]

Here is their Huzur with Modi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATHJpAf1 ... re=related

[Gulf]

watch yourself

[Alhumdollilah]

oh wow congratulations to all remormist finally you got a sect(to marry your kids and to get place in graveyard) join alavi's as soon as possible.

i am sure there syedna will honour you and give u some special treatment.its better then being "dhobi kaa kuttaa's naa ghar kaa naa ghaat kaa"

[Alhumdollilah]

Here is their Huzur with Modi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATHJpAf1 ... re=related

here is my huzur

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZKAjNVx ... re=related

HIS HOLINESS SYEDNAA MUHAMMED BURHANUDDIN(TUS)

[Human]

Gulf and Alhumdolillah,

Here, watch this: http://www.mazaraat.com/mevents/ahmevnt.htm

Is dawoodi bohra huzoor any better? I'm not alavi and I'm not advocating for them. I'm a dawoodi but had enough with the lies in our community.

Using your contacts and getting that page removed won't work because I've saved the page and I'll provide it anytime its needed in future.

Eat that!

[Smart]

oh wow congratulations to all remormist finally you got a sect(to marry your kids and to get place in graveyard) join alavi's as soon as possible.

i am sure there syedna will honour you and give u some special treatment.its better then being "dhobi kaa kuttaa's naa ghar kaa naa ghaat kaa"

It seems that you have come across the Alavis now, so your over the board reaction. Reformists are clear that they are Dawoodi Bohras and want reforms here.

Also remember that the "dhobi ka kutta" appelation applies to kuttas who wag their tales, to whatever their master says, not to tigers. So, stop the gaali galoch, because it can boomerang.

[Human]

^
I really wonder the shallow knowledge of the orthies. I already knew about Alavi bohras long before I found this website or knew about reforms. I knew about them when I was an abde too. I was only an abde because of the force from my family as I always felt something wasn't right and answers/explanations were not given when I asked something.

[Human]

Proves that they can't see the world outside the four walls and when they are shown the light outside four walls, they do not want to know about it. They enjoy to live in the darkness. I guess people who are brave enough to accept the truth and have enough courage to stand up against lies (evil) which is always powerful at the start in any battle, they change from loyal abdes to reformists.

[Alhumdollilah]

i know alavis from long back,but seems its a good opportunity for progs to know them and join them as soon as possible and reserve place of grave in there graveyards.

[Human]

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You did not comment on moula's pics with narendra modi? Like you commented on alavi leader's video with narendra modi! Do you have to comment anything?

[Alhumdollilah]

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You did not comment on moula's pics with narendra modi? Like you commented on alavi leader's video with narendra modi! Do you have to comment anything?

I cant belive you are so blind to make out simple fact,there syedna had to and meet modi on his office,and here people come by there own to meet syednaa on his recidence this is the difference between a sultaan and a maulvi.

[Human]

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Everyone knows who is blind and who is not. Between, anyone is not welcome at Syedna's office as you mentioned. Normal people would be kicked out!
Also, Syedna put a shawl on Modi as a token of respect. Why would a good leader respect someone like Modi?

[Alhumdollilah]

^ again you are talking plain stupidity,if u have read history of ISLAAM you would understand some times we need to compromise for the good will of community,even Muhammed(saw) did peace treaty with many cruel rulers, even Hasan imam did peace treaty with muaaviyaa so do u doubt his decisions?

[Right]

^ Mr A-H, what about compromise with the people of our community ?
Why Syedna had not taken any steps at the time of revolt in Udaipur ?
Why he didn't took any action when the women, of Udaipur had gone to meet him at Galiakot, were molested in front of his eyes ?
As a leader of the comminuty why he didn's heard the grievances of the other people and only listened and relied on one side story presented by his son & brother.

When he can follow Prophet Mohammed (SAW) in compromising with cruel people, then he has to show a very kind heart in uniting his community.

[Alhumdollilah]

he came to unite u guys but u are so full of venom now nothing can unite you...best for you is to join alavi or some other jamaat,DB dont need any reforms we are happy with syednaas administration and fully agree with all his actions for community.

there may be some curroption but over all there is no serious problem at all.

[Human]

^ again you are talking plain stupidity,if u have read history of ISLAAM you would understand some times we need to compromise for the good will of community,even Muhammed(saw) did peace treaty with many cruel rulers, even Hasan imam did peace treaty with muaaviyaa so do u doubt his decisions?

Regarding compromise, Right has given you a great answer! Answer his questions first.
You didn't answer my concern about "anyone can go to Syedna's office".

Right, I've heard glimpses of carnage in Galiakot but wanted to read in detail. Do you have any links for this? If we post links here it might shut the blind ones like Alhumdolillah for sometime.

[guy_sam2005]

dude human,
if u call ah blind,there are many like him..but then ur callin blind doesnt make one.i echo his voice we have no problems..peace with you guys is possible.but moula(tus) is in noway accountable to any1.he is and always will be above us...

[Human]

dude human,
if u call ah blind,there are many like him..but then ur callin blind doesnt make one.i echo his voice we have no problems..peace with you guys is possible.but moula(tus) is in noway accountable to any1.he is and always will be above us...

dude guy sam, yes following the bandwagon is easy and thus a majority is blind. Standing up against wrong is harder, you have to admit that.

Moula should not be running the organisation (DB jamaats). If he does then like any other organisation, people would ask for accountability. It is only fair.

[homs]

he came to unite u guys but u are so full of venom now nothing can unite you...best for you is to join alavi or some other jamaat,DB dont need any reforms we are happy with syednaas administration and fully agree with all his actions for community.

there may be some curroption but over all there is no serious problem at all.

AH, you are no one to decide on who should join the DBs or stay away from them. The success or the fall of any society that is truly created for the benefit of its members, depends on the presence of an active group of critics from within those members.

[SBM]

nd here people come by there own to meet syednaa on his recidence this is the difference between a sultaan and a maulvi.

A----h
Except the difference Naredra Modi received over Rs. 2 crores from the Sultaan while a Maulvi did not pay money and kept the sanctity of the Mosque by not inviting a Murderer into place of Peace which Abdes like you will not comprehend.
DONOT NEED YOUR ADVICE ABOUT JOINING ALAVI OR GETTING OUT AND SAVE YOUR BESHUMAR LAANAT FOR OTHERS I HAVE ALREADY RECEIVED MY QUOTA FROM ABDES LIKE YOU.

[Alhumdollilah]

nd here people come by there own to meet syednaa on his recidence this is the difference between a sultaan and a maulvi.

A----h
Except the difference Naredra Modi received over Rs. 2 crores from the Sultaan while a Maulvi did not pay money and kept the sanctity of the Mosque by not inviting a Murderer into place of Peace which Abdes like you will not comprehend.
DONOT NEED YOUR ADVICE ABOUT JOINING ALAVI OR GETTING OUT AND SAVE YOUR BESHUMAR LAANAT FOR OTHERS I HAVE ALREADY RECEIVED MY QUOTA FROM ABDES LIKE YOU.

as usual u are agian out of ur mind....sultaan didnt gave 2 crore personally for modi he gave it for welfare of human being,now its upto modi how he use that money,and when u talking about inviting modi to mosque he was never been invited to mosque he came by himself,his appointment was on the residence of syednaa but he came late and syednaa was in mosque delivering waaiz.

search more before u comment any thing.

and as far as lanaat is concern i am missing bro haqqun nafs he was really doing ausm job

[SBM]

A--H
again why did he have to give money, Before Human being, there are dawoodi bohras who ccould have used the money, See the thread Poverty in Bohras on this forum.(those listed came from Malumaat message board and not from any Progressives)
Can you provide the proof that Modi was invited to his house and he came to Mosque. An elected official specially person like Modi does not change his place of visit unless gets invited to that place
Just like Syedna gave the money to Modi and let him decide how he spends is a true reflection of Abdes that give money to Aamil or Kotharis and let them do whatever they want A TRUE REFELCTION of your thinking.

[Alhumdollilah]

^ you are good example of hypocrite reformist,some times u come up syedna is not doing any thing for humanity and now when i said that money was poor fellow humans u come up WHY? lol

and yes modi was late and i was in ahmedabad so i know what happened exactly.

[SBM]

A--H
Answer the question If Syenda is so generous why do you still not replied to the thread and follow up on POVERTY IN BOHRAS and can you do a follow up of all the people on that list and see if any one of them received the generous help from Syedna who wanted to help HUMANITY by giving it to the Murderer
THE HONEST ANSWER WOULD HAVE BEEN "HE DID IT FOR PUBLICITY AND FOR SAVING HIS ASSETS IN GUJRAT FROM NARENDRA MODI"S GOON"
the spin answer is the one you provided thus proving your hypocricy.

[Alhumdollilah]

A--H
Answer the question If Syenda is so generous why do you still not replied to the thread and follow up on POVERTY IN BOHRAS and can you do a follow up of all the people on that list and see if any one of them received the generous help from Syedna who wanted to help HUMANITY by giving it to the Murderer
THE HONEST ANSWER WOULD HAVE BEEN "HE DID IT FOR PUBLICITY AND FOR SAVING HIS ASSETS IN GUJRAT FROM NARENDRA MODI"S GOON"
the spin answer is the one you provided thus proving your hypocricy.

Internet is not a place to ask for help,i dont even appreciate those DB wwho ask for help on internet coz thats really not a way expected from a momeen.so i dont need to follow up any one.i do what i can do thats my business,and as far as syednaas is concern he is a religious leader for sure but not responsible for every small issues happening in community even people need to understand and take there own responsibilities.

[SBM]

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Being a poor is not a responsibility It happens to lot of people. It seems that you come from a well to do family and never faced the grief of being poor. Helping the poor in the community is the work of the COmmunity Leader or his deputies, BTW all those postings done on Malumaat websites are with the Raza and is done by some one in Burhani Welfare or something like that and there website clearly states that organization is started by the RAZA of AQA MOULA
Not following up to make sure that Syedna or his deputies take care of those on hard time is an easy COP OUT.
It is a double talk when you say that internet is not the right medium then you should be questioning the Malumaat why did they post it since Malumaat is also run with the Raza and under th guidance of Kotharis (I did not say Syedna)