Birth Day celebrations of Syedna(tus) by Reformists

[guy_sam2005]

Ana Bohri,

Give Sabaks a try, especially the ones after Daim awwal. Go with a open mind, ask question relevant to topic and see the change between surfing Islam on net and having sabak from a amil

Are you sure? My cousins attend this so called SABAK and I know what kind of answer they get when they ask questions there…most of the answer is "its baatin" and by the way would they mind attending sabak by a person who does not spot beard ....be honest in your reply....

yes they wont mind without beard..probably he would be more than welcome.........

[aqs]

A lot of emphasis is now given on sabaks by the current band of abde bohras on this forum. Now the question is what is the divine knowledge that one gets in sabaks ?

1) Recently a lot of sabaks are being held by many amils especially in Ramzan in every building in Mumbai and other big towns and cities in Bohra localities/mohallas. The crux of every sabak is only the emphasis on the current dai wherein every bohra is made to believe that he/she can atttain salvation and jannat only with the blessings of dai ( The Prophet (s.a.w.) doesnt fit in anywhere) and for which a very important criteria is "jetlu bane itlu vadhare aapo" (money.money,money).

i have categorically stated that and again point it out that you need to have three things Walayat plus farizat amal plus amal saleha. please dont distort things just to sound it the way you want. First of all you go to a Majlis and behave like a deaf person opening your ears only when some one talks about najwa, try to be present in the whole majlis.

2) There are other sabaks which are conducted by the higher ups of kothar where the invitation is for a selected few. A friend of mine in chennai used to attend such sabaks which was conducted by Kher bhaisaab. And guess what divine knowledge he used to impart.... "Adam nabi naakhun na kapda pehnta tha" and this subject used to take 2/3 days to complete.

Utter crap, your friend pulled a joke on you, ask him again in which book he heard that. Nothing of this sort is ever told in any of sabaks

3) In dubai, many days were wasted only on teaching "duniya kem bani, pehla ek tipo padho pachi zameen maa ek khaado
thayo, aae tipo ek golo bano etc etc", could anyone figure out what he meant to say ? In short these sabaks were more like watching National Geographic or Discovery Channel on TV.

were you present in those sabaks or again its some friend who narrated the tale. Definitely this is what must be dished out in open library kinda approach of Ilm

4) After passing thru these maddening tests the bohra then gets 'azim sharaf' of attending "Haqeeqat nu bayan". This is an exclusive brainwashing session reserved only for the totally gone cases who would even believe that the sun is square if it is told by the sabak master. Hence there is absolutely no scope of anyone questioning anything that is dished out to them. This "Haqeqat nu bayan" is normally done by mola which again becomes a command which can never ever be questioned by the totally brainwashed abdes even in their wildest of dreams. The bohras are told that at the end of this sabak that they will be enlightened with the divine knowledge of Imam-uz-zaman and his whereabouts. This sabak is more gripping then any Steven Speilberg thriller and the edge of the seat suspense beats even an Alfred Hitchcock movie. Guess what is the divine knowledge of Imam-uz-zaman.......... Mola claims that "Hu khud Imam-uz-zaman chhu". Here ends the complete training and brainwashing session as from here now comes out an abde who can never imagine life, jannat or even Allah in the absence of his master, the dai. Now for him dai is everything, he is Allah (Nauzubillah).

again just a figment of your mind, a person is talking about sabaks who has never attended any thing. Its never mentioned in any of the sabak what lies you have uttered over here.

Now the abdes will load their guns and come out with full ammo to counter the above and rubbish these claims because they know that there is no official record of these sabaks available anywhere on this planet and hence they think that they can succeed in rubbishing these claims. Ironically it is a fact that neither me nor anyone on this forum can produce any documentary evidence to substantiate our claims because a pre condition of attending "Haqeeqat nu bayan" is that anyone who attends this sabak is strictly told not to disclose even a word of what is said and for which they have to give an oath and take Quran na kasam, Nabi (s.a.w.) na kasam, Panjatan na kasam, dai na kasam. Hence the poor abde is so scared that he will never disclose a word of what is told in sabaks even to his own wife. But as we all know that Allah has his ways and by which there are some people who over a passage of time become disgruntled and at times in a fit of rage spill the beans. This haqeeqat version was told by one such person. It is now left for people whether to believe it or ignore it but believe me its a fact and not any made up story which the abdes on this forum will now claim it to be.

you very well knew in the beginning itself that when you will dish out this utter crap which is only lies then definetely people will come back and refute, i will not ask for any proof of this that where you got it because it just your imagination which is running wild.

again i request people to go and give sabaks a try. and not the normal general sabaks where you will hear about how to perform wudhu and salaat, which people believe that only this is taught in every sabak, Go higher up and check it out if your thirst of knowledge is quenched or not. Its a slow process i agree, and might be your all questions will not be answered in the first sabak, but as you proceed gradually all your queries will be answered.

[Smart]

and they will wait for you to be completely brainwashed before they give you the so called "higher Knowledge". Otherwise you are out. If you try and question them too deeply your situation will be like the 4 ustads of the Jamea, who were beaten, spat and insulted because they dared to ask uncomfortable questions.

it is really dishonest to ask people to go to sabaks, because the whole process is loaded against truth.

[aqs]

@smart

I dont want to insult people whom you rever, but seriously try to get the other side of the story.

[ANA BOHRI]

Are you sure? My cousins attend this so called SABAK and I know what kind of answer they get when they ask questions there…most of the answer is "its baatin" and by the way would they mind attending sabak by a person who does not spot beard ....be honest in your reply....

yes they wont mind without beard..probably he would be more than welcome.........

You are living in some dream land I guess or may be you are one of the Kothari who doesn't know or may be pretending to know what is happening in our community. I think bohri sabak would be the last thing I will be attending, only brainwashed abdes like you can attend and advocate attending sabak.

[ghulam muhammed]

Utter crap, your friend pulled a joke on you, ask him again in which book he heard that. Nothing of this sort is ever told in any of sabaks

were you present in those sabaks or again its some friend who narrated the tale. Definitely this is what must be dished out in open library kinda approach of Ilm

again just a figment of your mind, a person is talking about sabaks who has never attended any thing. Its never mentioned in any of the sabak what lies you have uttered over here.

Your replies are exactly what I had expected it to be, nothing different nothing better. As I have already stated in my post that if you believe it its fine and if you dont then its your wish but ha you are taught to believe only the so called divine words which flow from your master's tongue and anything contrary is taboo for you. So you are free to go on and continue living in a world of fantasy where a piece of paper is your permit to paradise no matter what your amals are. The bohra kabrastan is the only place from where the flight to jannat takes off, the rest of the world is taboo and jannat is only for a teenie weenie group of people (0.0000000000000000000000000001% of the world population) and the rest (99.99999999%) are destined for hellfire.

May Allah give you Tauhfiq.

[aqs]

Your replies are exactly what I had expected it to be, nothing different nothing better. As I have already stated in my post that if you believe it its fine and if you dont then its your wish but ha you are taught to believe only the so called divine words which flow from your master's tongue and anything contrary is taboo for you. So you are free to go on and continue living in a world of fantasy where a piece of paper is your permit to paradise no matter what your amals are. The bohra kabrastan is the only place from where the flight to jannat takes off, the rest of the world is taboo and jannat is only for a teenie weenie group of people (0.0000000000000000000000000001% of the world population) and the rest (99.99999999%) are destined for hellfire.

May Allah give you Tauhfiq.

its never said in any sabak that all the other knowledge in the world is taboo, and i have told this before also in some other thread that no Ruku chitthi can take you to Jannat unless. and in this thread only stated that you need to have three things Walayat plus farizat amal plus amal saleha to enter Jannat.

You have established a image of all Dawoodi Bohra's and then you cast every one into it. try to look out of the prism you might find some thing good.

Thanks for the Dua and May Allah Subhanautala give all of us Naik Taufeeq

[Smart]

@smart

I dont want to insult people whom you rever, but seriously try to get the other side of the story.

The other side of the story is well known and has been reiterated time and again in vaez across the world. It is this story that has been deliberately distorted. I don't revere these ustads, they were in fact revered by the abdes, before they started questioning the vested interests, whom you revere.

[Hades]

@smart

I dont want to insult people whom you rever, but seriously try to get the other side of the story.

The other side of the story is well known and has been reiterated time and again in vaez across the world. It is this story that has been deliberately distorted. I don't revere these ustads, they were in fact revered by the abdes, before they started questioning the vested interests, whom you revere.

I know quite a lot about this particular incident....

My personal opinion is that it is quite stupidity isn't it ??

You are with people who have intense love for Husain because of whom there is Islam and there are Muslims in this day and age... And there you try to undermine Husain's importance and tell people that what they are doing is wrong.... I mean what kind of stupid people are these 4 to not think it through..... That is like calling Thackre names standing in his stronghold.. Or calling Prophet Names standing in middle of Saudi Arabia LOL ....

An interesting point to note is .... The people did not get swayed from their real teaching of their Imams by listening to their so called Teachers who tried to take them away from a path subscribed by Prophet and Imam and Dai... Good on the people I say... They showed that day that the so called teachers aren't big enough to take them away from what the Prophet has taught them.....

[guy_sam2005]

ana,
i have never attended single sabaq in my life.................

[Safiuddin]

thankx porus!