Abdes -any bohra websites which impart any knowledge?

[Muslim First]

Daim-ul-Islam

Hindi pdf

http://dawoodi-bohras.com/pdfs/daim-hindi.pdf

[SBM]

Salaam
Is there a Urdu Translation on the Web?

[porus]

Salaam
Is there a Urdu Translation on the Web?

I have the Gujarati version which, like the Hindi translation on this website, was also translated from Shk. Mubarakpuri's Urdu translation. These have been superseded by the Poonawala's modern English translation. I recommend you use only the Poonawala version. It has corrected many of the errors to be found in these translations.

[Hussain_KSA]

Salaam
Is there a Urdu Translation on the Web?

No there is no urdu translation on the Web. The latest version of Daim Ul Islam in Urdu which was published in two volume by Auranagbad reformist gourp through Late Zulfiquar Hussain from Aurangabad is the the same version of Younus Mubarkpuri's. Only the language was corrected to Simple Urdu and the Translation of Quranic verses ( I repeat only translation no tafseer or Taweel) was changed in to more simple urdu language. If you need the copies please contact me so I could arrange for you or refer to some one in USA.

Thanks

[SBM]

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Br. Hussain
I did google but could not find anything in USA, If you know of source in USA, it will greatly appreciated
Wasalam

[Hussain_KSA]

Brother Oma

Please check your private Massage.

[SBM]

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Br. Hussain
Salaam
Thank you and will do....

[Smart]

Non of the PDBs consider any abde as their enemy. We consider you as our brothers who have been mislead by the wolves in the white clothing. We pity you and wish that you come out of the clutches of those who make you suckers. What sense does it make for free humans to come forwards and spend their time except, to emancipate their brothers from slavery. On the other hands it is abdes and their masters who consider the PDBs as Dushman. Just remember what you are made to sing in madehs, just one example "jahannum ma hazaaron saal jalse aap na dushman".

Thanks for the invitation, but i am happy to remain in the fold. And i dont think any of the abde's think Reformists as their Dushman, we also have the same feeling about you that you are let astray by few individuals, so instead of demeaning each other lets discuss the common goal of removing the ills from the community. And if you are not Dushman of Dawat then dont fear from the madeh its only for the Dushmans

And you cant blame all Abdes who in the past had indulged in foul language as you can very well see that its from both sides, and even my efforts of a dialogue in a civil way have been encountered by snide remarks and every day allegations are put on me being a PR or i have some ulterior motive

Really?
Then who are considered to be the dushman of the daawat according to the establishment?

Aren't PDBs harassed? Aren't their families pressurised to boycott them. Aren't they prevented from burying their dead in the Bohra cemetry? Aren't they called names such as "Maloon", "Ehmaq", "Ajgar" and "Saanp" in your vaez and bayaans? This is how to treat your brothers? I am not talking about the common abdes, it comes right from the top. You must remember that you have been treated very civilly here and I am sure that will continue, but what about your side? Do the officials treat the progressives with civility?

Your motives are still in doubt. On one hand you defend every wrong that is happening in the name of Islam and Deen and on the other hand you say "lets discuss the common goal of removing the ills from the community". What do you think this whole website is about? It is about how the community and religion has been hijacked by an individual and his family for their personal glory. Is this a good thing?

Okay, for the time being we will let this matter rest. However to be able to remove the ills from the community, we would like to understand, what according to you are the ills, which plague our community. Go ahead and define them.

[Maqbool]

Thanks for the invitation, but i am happy to remain in the fold. And i dont think any of the abde's think Reformists as their Dushman, we also have the same feeling about you that you are let astray by few individuals, so instead of demeaning each other lets discuss the common goal of removing the ills from the community. And if you are not Dushman of Dawat then dont fear from the madeh its only for the Dushmans

And you cant blame all Abdes who in the past had indulged in foul language as you can very well see that its from both sides, and even my efforts of a dialogue in a civil way have been encountered by snide remarks and every day allegations are put on me being a PR or i have some ulterior motive

Really?
Then who are considered to be the dushman of the daawat according to the establishment?

Aren't PDBs harassed? Aren't their families pressurised to boycott them. Aren't they prevented from burying their dead in the Bohra cemetry? Aren't they called names such as "Maloon", "Ehmaq", "Ajgar" and "Saanp" in your vaez and bayaans? This is how to treat your brothers? I am not talking about the common abdes, it comes right from the top. You must remember that you have been treated very civilly here and I am sure that will continue, but what about your side? Do the officials treat the progressives with civility?

Your motives are still in doubt. On one hand you defend every wrong that is happening in the name of Islam and Deen and on the other hand you say "lets discuss the common goal of removing the ills from the community". What do you think this whole website is about? It is about how the community and religion has been hijacked by an individual and his family for their personal glory. Is this a good thing?

Okay, for the time being we will let this matter rest. However to be able to remove the ills from the community, we would like to understand, what according to you are the ills, which plague our community. Go ahead and define them.

Aqs very well knows that, why almost 90 % of the members taking part in this forum are with fictitious name? Once they are caught they will be considered dushman of dawat and every body knows what will be after that!!

[seeker110]

People you have got to realize they need you,and not the other way around.Once you understand that ,they will not rule you.Take the step and you will be glad you did.Find and pursue other interests,unless jaman and matam is the only fun in life.

[Conscíous]

I dont know if there is suppose to be some hidden meaning behind the wordings of this Madeh, But sajada is only for Allah and Allah alone.

aqs, you are quite a master at dancing around prickly issues aren't you? you are perfect material for a politician.

where does the issue of "hidden meaning: in the madeh come from? there is no hidden meaning. period.

it is CLEARLY addressed to syedna, is reproduced from a dawat publication, OBVIOUSLY WITH RAZA, and the cover page (all links provided by porus) expressly states it is for that purpose.

now will you agree that syedna is promoting shirk or you have some more wiggling left to entertain us with?

aqs,
Can you please answer the Question above ^^


To other members of this forum. Just came across this website http://www.hikmaah.com/index.asp?menuid=1, but I'm not sure if it imparts any knowledge..

[Al Zulfiqar]

boom,

aqs is not the first abde who runs away when comprehensively cornered and left no room to wiggle out. they will avoid that thread and sometimes even the forum for a while and then re-surface like weasels after a long hibernation, hoping that public memory will be short.

for members who have been around here long enough, its well-established that abdes have no real religious knowledge, neither of the quran, islam or our own deen. all they can re-gurgitate (that too a very few) is the totally skewed crap they have learnt at brain-washing sessions called sabaks. and then too they will play dodgeball when cornered by claiming taqqiya, and being privy to the secret esoteric ilm of the ahlul bait.

liars all, and trained in the art of deception and double speak. jaisa raja, waisi praja..

[Conscíous]

boom,

aqs is not the first abde who runs away when comprehensively cornered and left no room to wiggle out. they will avoid that thread and sometimes even the forum for a while and then re-surface like weasels after a long hibernation, hoping that public memory will be short.

for members who have been around here long enough, its well-established that abdes have no real religious knowledge, neither of the quran, islam or our own deen. all they can re-gurgitate (that too a very few) is the totally skewed crap they have learnt at brain-washing sessions called sabaks. and then too they will play dodgeball when cornered by claiming taqqiya, and being privy to the secret esoteric ilm of the ahlul bait.

liars all, and trained in the art of deception and double speak. jaisa raja, waisi praja..

Al Zulfiqar,

Let's hope, he'll find some courage to finish this discussion

[charmingrose]

now will you agree that syedna is promoting shirk or you have some more wiggling left to entertain us with?

al zulfiaqar.

thr is a hadith whr Mohammed saw was asked.if someone accuse another of shirk then.Mohammed saw said tht the accuser is himself doing shirk.

i wil try to find the hadith and post here if u dont believe me.

you are the accuser.do tauba.

[Al Zulfiqar]

now will you agree that syedna is promoting shirk or you have some more wiggling left to entertain us with?

al zulfiaqar. i wil try to find the hadith and post here if u dont believe me

rose, and what will that prove? that it is ok to do sajda to dai and sing about it like mushriqs?

[charmingrose]

now will you agree that syedna is promoting shirk or you have some more wiggling left to entertain us with?

al zulfiaqar. i wil try to find the hadith and post here if u dont believe me

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rose, and what will that prove? that it is ok to do sajda to dai and sing about it like mushriqs?[/quote]

Mohammed saw said that a person accuse other of shirk is more deserving of the accusation.on here it is u .so you are more deserving of shirk than the one u accuse of.do tauba and may allah guide ur path and forgive ur sins of accusin others of shirk.

[Al Zulfiqar]

Mohammed saw said that a person accuse other of shirk is more deserving of the accusation..

rose, can you please provide authentication of this hadees from any standard reference books of scripture of the bohras?

Allah in the quran categorically states that anyone who equates himself or anyone else with allah is a mushriq. so according to your crappy, stupid and unsubstantiated logic, now Allah is a mushriq???? !!!

[charmingrose]

Mohammed saw said that a person accuse other of shirk is more deserving of the accusation..

rose, can you please provide authentication of this hadees from any standard reference books of scripture of the bohras?

Allah in the quran categorically states that anyone who equates himself or anyone else with allah is a mushriq. so according to your crappy, stupid and unsubstantiated logic, now Allah is a mushriq???? !!!

astagferullah you are calling Allah a mushriq.. naudobillah.. and why the scripture of bohras ? you are not even a bohra in first plce.may allah guide you on the right path n i hpe ur sins are forgiven .

[Al Zulfiqar]

rose,

quit whining and avoiding the issues. show us where is the quote of mohammed you claim. in which book, which page and paragraph? just do not blow hot air and utter laanats without any references from any scriptures.

i am a muslim and bohra. show me the proof of your up-in-the-air quotes or go back to your sabaks and get it from the mulla.

also ask when is the urus of syedna's mother and why he doesnt mention her ever, when he refers to his wife a zillion times and her ziyarat is established in london?

thanks for your thirst for knowledge.

[charmingrose]

rose,

quit whining and avoiding the issues. show us where is the quote of mohammed you claim. in which book, which page and paragraph? just do not blow hot air and utter laanats without any references from any scriptures.

i am a muslim and bohra. show me the proof of your up-in-the-air quotes or go back to your sabaks and get it from the mulla.

also ask when is the urus of syedna's mother and why he doesnt mention her ever, when he refers to his wife a zillion times and her ziyarat is established in london?

thanks for your thirst for knowledge.

you are not a bohra.bohras dont call the Syedna TUS coward nauzobillah.

[profastian]

No there are no websites dude. The fact is we dont want to impart any knowledge 'publicly'. Why? Because we have no compulsion to convert any one to our ways. If you want our knowledge, the way is 'Walayat' of the Dai. Why? Because only he has the knowledge. He is the teacher. And its his decision to impart or not. So either love him and get the knowledge or hate him and forgo it.

[Al Zulfiqar]

Because we have no compulsion to convert any one to our ways.

correct! 50 dai's carried out their sacred mission of converting people to our faith, or inviting them as a "DAI", the inviter to dawaah. the last 2 syednas' mission is the opposite. instead of inviting, throw out as many true believers as possible, and keep only the submissive fools.

they have a divine mission to throw the wheat out and keep the chaff....!!!

[Conscíous]

No there are no websites dude. The fact is we dont want to impart any knowledge 'publicly'. Why? Because we have no compulsion to convert any one to our ways. If you want our knowledge, the way is 'Walayat' of the Dai. Why? Because only he has the knowledge. He is the teacher. And its his decision to impart or not. So either love him and get the knowledge or hate him and forgo it.

profastian,
Haha, even if you tried converting, no one in their right mind would join this sick cult
or,
could you or any other Abde give 10 good reasons, why someone should become a slave of your syedna?

[ghulam muhammed]

could you or any other Abde give 10 good reasons, why someone should become a slave of your syedna?

A correction.... ONE good reason as to why someone should become slave of syedna

[bohri]

CR WRote

you are not a bohra.bohras dont call the Syedna TUS coward nauzobillah.

Dear CR - ASAK

Let me point out to you that the Dai is an ordinary human being - much like you actually, so leave this "nauzobillah" drama out. The seat of the Dai is very important - no doubt about that. One who is appointed to the seat has to uphold the following values at a minimum:

1. Live an exemplary lifestyle that we can all aspire to - this Syedna (what is the TUS business anyways?) bows to the likes of Modi (and dont start reciting the party line about bohras protection - if you really believe that, then you should stop your purjosh mataam for maulana Hussein who allowed his family to be sacrifieced for truth). This Sayedna like to be drive around in a Rolls Royce in the most impoverished areas of the world, this Sayedna has elevated his sons and family to 'stardom' complete with a whole generation of adulating groupies . This Sayedna indulges in hunting safaris, where he makes out that the killing of elephants and lions is a divine action.

2. Work to elevate the social wellbeing of his communite - This Sayedna has systematically robbed his followers with exhortion and terrible threats of boycott.

3. As a Dai, he should be a missionary to welcome others to the faith. This sayedna is only intereseted in his own glory and deity status. He has turned the community away from the faith.

Dear CR ... Wake up and smell the rose!

[Conscíous]

could you or any other Abde give 10 good reasons, why someone should become a slave of your syedna?

A correction.... ONE good reason as to why someone should become slave of syedna

I'm sure their answer will be something like, "syedna is the gatekeeper to heaven".

I wanted to challenge them, if they were to tell a "normal" person, with ten good reasons. .

[profastian]

[quote="ghulam muhammed"ONE good reason as to why someone should become slave of syedna [/quote]
Well i gave you the ONE reason in my post. The reason is knowledge. If you want the knowledge(ilm) that the DAI has become his slave.
And if you dont want the knowledge or you dont believe that the DAI has the knowledge or you believe that others besides the DAI has the same
knowledge, then you dont become his slave. As simple as that. The foundations of the Fatemi Dawat are laid on knowledge. Not money, not social welfare,
not community welfare, not alleviation of poverty, so on.

[Smart]

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Why do you have to become a slave to get ilm? This is one piece of logic that leaves me cold. Neither of the sava lakh anbia have asked for that nor does Quran ask for slavery in exchange of ilm.

[anajmi]

The reason is knowledge. If you want the knowledge(ilm) that the DAI has become his slave.

What knowledge? What knowledge has the Dai given you?

[SBM]

The foundations of the Fatemi Dawat are laid on knowledge. Not money, not social welfare,

So explain why in the WAJEBAT form they have Najwa for Imam-u-Zaman, Najwa for Dai, Najwa for Mukasir and Najwa for Mazoon (NAJWA= MONEY)
All that should be removed if you are following true Fatemi Dawat.