Conference in London
Conference in London
Hi,
Wondering if anyone can shed light upon the Conference on Saifee Burhani project (Bhendi Bazaar, Mumbai) held in London?
Wondering if anyone can shed light upon the Conference on Saifee Burhani project (Bhendi Bazaar, Mumbai) held in London?
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Re: Conference in London
Upliftment Project Conference held in London
Conference on Master layout Plan Presentation of Saifee Burhani
Upliftment Project in London.
Shehzada Qaid Joher BS, Shehzada Abbas BS, Shehzada Idris BS, Shehzada Qusai BS, Shehzada Ammar BS and Qasreali sahebo and invitees 4 day Conference is being held in London where architect firms from America and Samoon Rassiwala, Mandviwala, Baker Murtuza (SMB) Architects from Mumbai are presenting their Master layout plan for the Bhindi Bazaar Project. The conference commenced with Tilawate-Quran-e-majeed by Husain BS bin Shehzada Mufaddal BS. Aqa Moula (TUS) delivered an address from Bonham House praying for the success of the conference and bestowing benedictions on all the attendees.
The first Presentation was by SMB Architects a mumineen firm. Qutab bhai Madviwala presented in detail the Master layout plan developed by
SMB architects. Thereafter there was an open house session followed
by a walk through presentation of the plan. Models of Raudat Tahera
and Saifee Masjid Complex and the entire project were on display. Architect firms from America will present their presentation in the
following 3 days.
14th of Jumada al-Ula 1431H 27th April 2010
http://akhbar.mumineen.org/
Conference on Master layout Plan Presentation of Saifee Burhani
Upliftment Project in London.
Shehzada Qaid Joher BS, Shehzada Abbas BS, Shehzada Idris BS, Shehzada Qusai BS, Shehzada Ammar BS and Qasreali sahebo and invitees 4 day Conference is being held in London where architect firms from America and Samoon Rassiwala, Mandviwala, Baker Murtuza (SMB) Architects from Mumbai are presenting their Master layout plan for the Bhindi Bazaar Project. The conference commenced with Tilawate-Quran-e-majeed by Husain BS bin Shehzada Mufaddal BS. Aqa Moula (TUS) delivered an address from Bonham House praying for the success of the conference and bestowing benedictions on all the attendees.
The first Presentation was by SMB Architects a mumineen firm. Qutab bhai Madviwala presented in detail the Master layout plan developed by
SMB architects. Thereafter there was an open house session followed
by a walk through presentation of the plan. Models of Raudat Tahera
and Saifee Masjid Complex and the entire project were on display. Architect firms from America will present their presentation in the
following 3 days.
14th of Jumada al-Ula 1431H 27th April 2010
http://akhbar.mumineen.org/
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Re: Conference in London
oooo thats great,lucky mumbai
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Unlucky mumbaiincredible wrote:oooo thats great,lucky mumbai
I wonder if they even considered the poor. There's so many poor and struggling to earn enough bohras in the bhindi bazaar area.
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Re: Conference in London
Overall the way the project has been projected it looks beneficial for all. Atleast the standard of living of the people in bhendi bazaar will be uplifted.
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Admirer you brought up a good topic, i was thinking of posting but I did not get the time. HS superficially it seems that it may benefit the poor ones too. But I have done some research on it. The whole porject is to be carried out in parts. First and foremost is to demolish the buildings that hinders the view of Syedna Tahir Saifuddin's masoleoum. Many of those buildings are diaplated and house the poor segment of the society. Also on the road levels are shops mostly run by sunnis and other than bohras.
Not very surprisingly, as our administration has never thought compassionately these buildings are last to be constructed. if ever. The first phase of construction will be those mega buildings housing luxury flats and shopping centres. As there is lot of infulence and under world figures involved who are more intrested in making money than helping the down trodden poor bohras and others. The whole project is the brain child of people around Qaid Johar Bhai saheb with of course his blessings. Qaid Johar bhai saheb is very instrumental in this whole project.
Due to those influences and connections it got the publicity and coverage on media and tv.
The confrence which held in london, could as well be in mumbai. But to show the extravagance and impress it was held in london. Those models on display cost tons of money. If they were made in india, then the cost of transporting it by air would be enormeous, due to volumetric wieght, As they are fragile and need to be packed accordingly, The cost of transportation would run upto $20000.00. Though for them it may not sound much, but if positively thought may cure upto 100 cancer patients in india, or feed upto 1000 people for the whole year. This cost is only for transportation, does not include the confrence expenditure itself, which again may run in thousands of dollars.
Muffadal bhai saheb is nowhere to be seen in those photos, so far as I have found that he is not very much invloved in this mega project.
I still do not see much logic to undertake such mega project which would not do any or very less good to community. Though iwillbe totally funded by our community. The real beneficiaries will be Sydena Saheb's family, under world and influential politicians who will be involved.
Not very surprisingly, as our administration has never thought compassionately these buildings are last to be constructed. if ever. The first phase of construction will be those mega buildings housing luxury flats and shopping centres. As there is lot of infulence and under world figures involved who are more intrested in making money than helping the down trodden poor bohras and others. The whole project is the brain child of people around Qaid Johar Bhai saheb with of course his blessings. Qaid Johar bhai saheb is very instrumental in this whole project.
Due to those influences and connections it got the publicity and coverage on media and tv.
The confrence which held in london, could as well be in mumbai. But to show the extravagance and impress it was held in london. Those models on display cost tons of money. If they were made in india, then the cost of transporting it by air would be enormeous, due to volumetric wieght, As they are fragile and need to be packed accordingly, The cost of transportation would run upto $20000.00. Though for them it may not sound much, but if positively thought may cure upto 100 cancer patients in india, or feed upto 1000 people for the whole year. This cost is only for transportation, does not include the confrence expenditure itself, which again may run in thousands of dollars.
Muffadal bhai saheb is nowhere to be seen in those photos, so far as I have found that he is not very much invloved in this mega project.
I still do not see much logic to undertake such mega project which would not do any or very less good to community. Though iwillbe totally funded by our community. The real beneficiaries will be Sydena Saheb's family, under world and influential politicians who will be involved.
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Accountability,
I do agree with you that the conference could have very well held in mumbai esp when the architects are also from mumbai..
But then again as it is more of a commercial project, the idea seems to attract foreign investors.
However, I do feel that overall this project would be beneficiary to all as it would modernise the area.. but to what extent needs to be seen..
Can you or anyone share more info abt outside investors of this project..?
I do agree with you that the conference could have very well held in mumbai esp when the architects are also from mumbai..
But then again as it is more of a commercial project, the idea seems to attract foreign investors.
However, I do feel that overall this project would be beneficiary to all as it would modernise the area.. but to what extent needs to be seen..
Can you or anyone share more info abt outside investors of this project..?
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Accountability
I understand that the project is a purely commercial project for Kothar. It doesn't matter as long as a poor Bohra residing in bhendi bazaar gets a better/bigger house to live in at "no additional cost".
Yes for the wealthy bohras this will not be a good project because they will have to forcefully fund it without any returns. There are many other hidden motives and aspects of the project which i don't feel like discussing on this open forum, but to me benefit to poor bohras ," if it happens" is appreciable.
I understand that the project is a purely commercial project for Kothar. It doesn't matter as long as a poor Bohra residing in bhendi bazaar gets a better/bigger house to live in at "no additional cost".
Yes for the wealthy bohras this will not be a good project because they will have to forcefully fund it without any returns. There are many other hidden motives and aspects of the project which i don't feel like discussing on this open forum, but to me benefit to poor bohras ," if it happens" is appreciable.
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This project can be beneficial if ran for sincere upliftment of Bohras like our Government spent stimulus funds to ensure the Oz economy does not slide into stagnation as many European or US states did
How: Buys off property from the poor, keep money in safe deposits and allow them to get new decent housing once completed at cost and any additional cost paid off on installments over a long period.
Kothar can of course make a small profit through management fees. Provide construction opportunity in lots to Bohras through a tender process where everyone can participate suppliers, civil engineers, builders, administration, return on equity from lenders, administration staff, offshore venture capitalists.
This way the poor get a better accommodation, people get jobs even if it is short term, and rich get dividends everyone wins.
But regrettably in the past all Kotahr wanted was to defraud and seek funds for dubious causes and no accountability and a false promise of barakat.
How: Buys off property from the poor, keep money in safe deposits and allow them to get new decent housing once completed at cost and any additional cost paid off on installments over a long period.
Kothar can of course make a small profit through management fees. Provide construction opportunity in lots to Bohras through a tender process where everyone can participate suppliers, civil engineers, builders, administration, return on equity from lenders, administration staff, offshore venture capitalists.
This way the poor get a better accommodation, people get jobs even if it is short term, and rich get dividends everyone wins.
But regrettably in the past all Kotahr wanted was to defraud and seek funds for dubious causes and no accountability and a false promise of barakat.
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So far as I know there aren't any foriegn investors. I know that investor is jamat itself through its proxies, 1500 crore though sound big but it is only 15 billion rupees or 370 million dollars. Going by their collection every year world wide it is not a big deal. According to a conservative they estimate they collect close to 2 billions rupees from india every year.
it may benefit some 500 bohra families, but that is very insignificant numbers. Rest of the community will not be the direct beneficiary of this project. Jamat as a land lord has proven to be meaner harsher and cruel to its client than other land lords.
I have experienced it, and others who live in jamat bldgs will second.
There is a reason and very obvious one for my skepticism. Look at Saifee hospital mega project, how much our community is benefiting from it, how many bohras are cured who could not afford, the answer will be none or very few. How many jamat owned bldgs are abode for poor and needy ones.
With huge funds at their disposal what welfare schemes are started for thousands of poor bohras.
Dawat e hadiya is a religious organization, they should stick to that role. Dawat's main and sole aim is to bring people to religion and minister religion in an appropriate manner.
Dawat is not a developer, investor or builder. If it wants to be a commercial entity then they should respect commercial norms and exclude religion out of it.
Who is under taking this mega project, Dawat e hadiya if not then who. who will fund it , dawat e hadiya if not then who, and what are their sources of income. if wajebat collected are to be used for this venture then they should declare it to their believer for the sake of fairness ( if there is any fairness).
they should also declare for transparency the involvement of any other party, and their source of funding.
it may benefit some 500 bohra families, but that is very insignificant numbers. Rest of the community will not be the direct beneficiary of this project. Jamat as a land lord has proven to be meaner harsher and cruel to its client than other land lords.
I have experienced it, and others who live in jamat bldgs will second.
There is a reason and very obvious one for my skepticism. Look at Saifee hospital mega project, how much our community is benefiting from it, how many bohras are cured who could not afford, the answer will be none or very few. How many jamat owned bldgs are abode for poor and needy ones.
With huge funds at their disposal what welfare schemes are started for thousands of poor bohras.
Dawat e hadiya is a religious organization, they should stick to that role. Dawat's main and sole aim is to bring people to religion and minister religion in an appropriate manner.
Dawat is not a developer, investor or builder. If it wants to be a commercial entity then they should respect commercial norms and exclude religion out of it.
Who is under taking this mega project, Dawat e hadiya if not then who. who will fund it , dawat e hadiya if not then who, and what are their sources of income. if wajebat collected are to be used for this venture then they should declare it to their believer for the sake of fairness ( if there is any fairness).
they should also declare for transparency the involvement of any other party, and their source of funding.
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Re: Conference in London
It is an undisputed fact that any and every project undertaken by kothar in the guise of benefiting the poor bohras is nothing but a total eyewash and BS, they are here with the sole aim of making money in the name of religion for which they twist, turn and distort the hadiths and even misinterpret the Quran.
Now look at the Parsi community which consists of hardly 1 lakh people but see the real constructive and charitable work done by them. Look at the sprawling Cusrow baug, Rustom baug, Khareghat colony and various other parsi colonies spread around not only in Mumbai but throughout India in various cities which has some parsi population. The rent charged for the spacious flats in these colonies is a pittance. Look at the work done by the likes of Tatas, Godrej and Wadias, the number of educational institutions and hospitals established by them which not only benefits parsis but even people of other religion. The amount of money spent on charity by them surpasses the amount spent by kothar in leaps and bounds. All this genuine work by them on humanitarian grounds alone.
One of the examplary work done by Mr Ratan Tata during the aftermath of the heinous terrorist attack in Mumbai and the Taj Mahal Hotel which is owned by the tatas is as under:-
Ratan Tata is the chairman of Indian Hotels who own the Taj Mahal Hotel Mumbai, which was the target of the terrorists last year .
Hotel President a 5 star property also belongs to Indian Hotels.
The following is really touching.
What Ratan Tata did for the Mumbai victims.... Don't miss!!!!!!
SALUTE TO
SHRI RATAN TATA
A. The Tata Gesture
1. All category of employees including those who had completed even 1 day as casuals were treated on duty during the time the hotel was closed.
2. Relief and assistance to all those who were injured and killed
3. The relief and assistance was extended to all those who died at the railway station, surroundings including the “Pav- Bha ji” vendor and the pan shop owners.
4. During the time the hotel was closed, the salaries were sent by money order.
5. A psychiatric cell was established in collaboration with Tata Institute of Social Sciences to counsel those who needed such help.
6. The thoughts and anxieties going on people’s mind was constantly tracked and where needed psychological help provided.
7. Employee outreach centers were opened where all help, food, water, sanitation, first aid and counseling was provided. 1600 employees were covered by this facility.
8. Every employee was assigned to one mentor and it was that person’s responsibility to act as a “single window” clearance for any help that the person required.
9. Ratan Tata personally visited the families of all the 80 employees who in some manner – either through injury or getting killed – were affected.
10. The dependents of the employees were flown from outside Mumbai to Mumbai and taken care off in terms of ensuring mental assurance and peace. They were all accommodated in Hotel President for 3 weeks.
11. Ratan Tata himself asked the families and dependents – as to what they wanted him to do.
12. In a record time of 20 days, a new trust was created by the Tatas for the purpose of relief of employees.
13. Whats unique is that even the other people, the railway employees, the police staff, the pedestrians who had nothing to do with Tatas were covered by compensation. Each one of them was provided subsistence allowance of Rs. 10K per month for all these people for 6 months.
14. A 4 year old granddaughter of a vendor got 4 bullets in her and only one was removed in the Government hospital. She was taken to Bombay hospital and several lacs were spent by the Tatas on her to fully recover her.
15. New hand carts were provided to several vendors who lost their carts.
16. Tata will take responsibility of life education of 46 children of the victims of the terror.
17. This was the most trying period in the life of the organisation. Senior managers including Ratan Tata were visiting funeral to funeral over the 3 days that were most horrible.
18. The settlement for every deceased member ranged from Rs. 36 to 85 lacs [One lakh rupees translates to approx 2200 US $ ] in addition to the following benefits:
a. Full last salary for life for the family and dependents;
b. Complete responsibility of education of children and dependents – anywhere in the world.
c. Full Medical facility for the whole family and dependents for rest of their life.
d. All loans and advances were waived off – irrespective of the amount.
e. Counselor for life for each person
B. Epilogue
1. How was such passion created among the employees? How and why did they behave the way they did?
2. The organisation is clear that it is not something that someone can take credit for. It is not some training and development that created such behaviour. If someone suggests that – everyone laughs
3. It has to do with the DNA of the organisation, with the way Tata culture exists and above all with the situation that prevailed that time. The organisation has always been telling that customers and guests are #1 priority
4. The hotel business was started by Jamshedji Tata when he was insulted in one of the British hotels and not allowed to stay there.
5. He created several institutions which later became icons of progress, culture and modernity. IISc is one such institute. He was told by the rulers that time that he can acquire land for IISc to the extent he could fence the same. He could afford fencing only 400 acres.
6. When the HR function hesitatingly made a very rich proposal to Ratan – he said – do you think we are doing enough?
7. The whole approach was that the organisation would spend several hundred crore in re-building the property – why not spend equally on the employees who gave their life?
Now look at the Parsi community which consists of hardly 1 lakh people but see the real constructive and charitable work done by them. Look at the sprawling Cusrow baug, Rustom baug, Khareghat colony and various other parsi colonies spread around not only in Mumbai but throughout India in various cities which has some parsi population. The rent charged for the spacious flats in these colonies is a pittance. Look at the work done by the likes of Tatas, Godrej and Wadias, the number of educational institutions and hospitals established by them which not only benefits parsis but even people of other religion. The amount of money spent on charity by them surpasses the amount spent by kothar in leaps and bounds. All this genuine work by them on humanitarian grounds alone.
One of the examplary work done by Mr Ratan Tata during the aftermath of the heinous terrorist attack in Mumbai and the Taj Mahal Hotel which is owned by the tatas is as under:-
Ratan Tata is the chairman of Indian Hotels who own the Taj Mahal Hotel Mumbai, which was the target of the terrorists last year .
Hotel President a 5 star property also belongs to Indian Hotels.
The following is really touching.
What Ratan Tata did for the Mumbai victims.... Don't miss!!!!!!
SALUTE TO
SHRI RATAN TATA
A. The Tata Gesture
1. All category of employees including those who had completed even 1 day as casuals were treated on duty during the time the hotel was closed.
2. Relief and assistance to all those who were injured and killed
3. The relief and assistance was extended to all those who died at the railway station, surroundings including the “Pav- Bha ji” vendor and the pan shop owners.
4. During the time the hotel was closed, the salaries were sent by money order.
5. A psychiatric cell was established in collaboration with Tata Institute of Social Sciences to counsel those who needed such help.
6. The thoughts and anxieties going on people’s mind was constantly tracked and where needed psychological help provided.
7. Employee outreach centers were opened where all help, food, water, sanitation, first aid and counseling was provided. 1600 employees were covered by this facility.
8. Every employee was assigned to one mentor and it was that person’s responsibility to act as a “single window” clearance for any help that the person required.
9. Ratan Tata personally visited the families of all the 80 employees who in some manner – either through injury or getting killed – were affected.
10. The dependents of the employees were flown from outside Mumbai to Mumbai and taken care off in terms of ensuring mental assurance and peace. They were all accommodated in Hotel President for 3 weeks.
11. Ratan Tata himself asked the families and dependents – as to what they wanted him to do.
12. In a record time of 20 days, a new trust was created by the Tatas for the purpose of relief of employees.
13. Whats unique is that even the other people, the railway employees, the police staff, the pedestrians who had nothing to do with Tatas were covered by compensation. Each one of them was provided subsistence allowance of Rs. 10K per month for all these people for 6 months.
14. A 4 year old granddaughter of a vendor got 4 bullets in her and only one was removed in the Government hospital. She was taken to Bombay hospital and several lacs were spent by the Tatas on her to fully recover her.
15. New hand carts were provided to several vendors who lost their carts.
16. Tata will take responsibility of life education of 46 children of the victims of the terror.
17. This was the most trying period in the life of the organisation. Senior managers including Ratan Tata were visiting funeral to funeral over the 3 days that were most horrible.
18. The settlement for every deceased member ranged from Rs. 36 to 85 lacs [One lakh rupees translates to approx 2200 US $ ] in addition to the following benefits:
a. Full last salary for life for the family and dependents;
b. Complete responsibility of education of children and dependents – anywhere in the world.
c. Full Medical facility for the whole family and dependents for rest of their life.
d. All loans and advances were waived off – irrespective of the amount.
e. Counselor for life for each person
B. Epilogue
1. How was such passion created among the employees? How and why did they behave the way they did?
2. The organisation is clear that it is not something that someone can take credit for. It is not some training and development that created such behaviour. If someone suggests that – everyone laughs
3. It has to do with the DNA of the organisation, with the way Tata culture exists and above all with the situation that prevailed that time. The organisation has always been telling that customers and guests are #1 priority
4. The hotel business was started by Jamshedji Tata when he was insulted in one of the British hotels and not allowed to stay there.
5. He created several institutions which later became icons of progress, culture and modernity. IISc is one such institute. He was told by the rulers that time that he can acquire land for IISc to the extent he could fence the same. He could afford fencing only 400 acres.
6. When the HR function hesitatingly made a very rich proposal to Ratan – he said – do you think we are doing enough?
7. The whole approach was that the organisation would spend several hundred crore in re-building the property – why not spend equally on the employees who gave their life?
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Re: Conference in London
bro.gm,
have you ever heard of the syedna spending even one paisa on any non-bohra? assisted in any relief work anywhere?
what are they going to spend, when they will not spend even one paisa on bohras? all their talk of having done this and done that for bohras, is just talk. no substantiation or proof. oh, i forgot, we are supposed to swallow all their b.s. silently and not ask for any accounts or any transparency. after all syedna is akin to allah, so we cannot question him or his family.
they keep coming up with innovative schemes to loot bohras, eg. collecting funds for poor bohras to visit raudat tahera or do haj, donate gold to build zareeh of fatema... the list is too long to mention. knowing the rascals that they are, i would be extremely suspicious of their bhendi bazaar scheme. under the guise of re-settling poor and lower middle class bohras, they are going to make tons of money. all their outward altruism be damned.
only time will prove that people like me and you who do not believe the kothar are right. they are such wily banias, that we cannot even imagine the fast ones they will pull off.
have you ever heard of the syedna spending even one paisa on any non-bohra? assisted in any relief work anywhere?
what are they going to spend, when they will not spend even one paisa on bohras? all their talk of having done this and done that for bohras, is just talk. no substantiation or proof. oh, i forgot, we are supposed to swallow all their b.s. silently and not ask for any accounts or any transparency. after all syedna is akin to allah, so we cannot question him or his family.
they keep coming up with innovative schemes to loot bohras, eg. collecting funds for poor bohras to visit raudat tahera or do haj, donate gold to build zareeh of fatema... the list is too long to mention. knowing the rascals that they are, i would be extremely suspicious of their bhendi bazaar scheme. under the guise of re-settling poor and lower middle class bohras, they are going to make tons of money. all their outward altruism be damned.
only time will prove that people like me and you who do not believe the kothar are right. they are such wily banias, that we cannot even imagine the fast ones they will pull off.
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Yeshave you ever heard of the syedna spending even one paisa on any non-bohra
2 Crores to Narendra Modi
2 Crores to Bal Thackrey
crores to Vajpayee
unlimited to Saddam Husain
$ 250,000 to re-elect George W Bush
and the list goes on............
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One more addition:omabharti wrote:Yes
2 Crores to Narendra Modi
2 Crores to Bal Thackrey
crores to Vajpayee
unlimited to Saddam Husain
$ 250,000 to re-elect George W Bush
and the list goes on............
A fat cheque to the then Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu, Jayalalitha to facilitate renaming 'Moore Street' to 'Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin Marg' and also to provide police escort with jeeps fitted with sirens so that every tamilian is forced to take a second look at his entourage which is projected as 'mola ni su shaan chhe' by the dumb abdes.
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I thought every bohra is required to have Dadhi and Topi, How come DG of Gujarat, a Dawoodi Bohra is shaking hands without topi or dadhi ( he is shaking hands not kissing). Seems like DG is a progressive Bohras and Kothar has no problem with him and giving Shawl to him
http://www.zeninfosys.net/zeninfosys/ar ... rYear=1431#
http://www.zeninfosys.net/zeninfosys/ar ... rYear=1431#
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only the cowards worship power, and the syedna and his family are those cowards. where they act like royalty and arrogant, merciless bullies to the community, they bend and grovel to anyone who can get things done for them or have the potential to harm them. at such time that person not having a dhadhi or topi or even being an outright crook does not matter.omabharti wrote:I thought every bohra is required to have Dadhi and Topi, How come DG of Gujarat, a Dawoodi Bohra is shaking hands without topi or dadhi ( he is shaking hands not kissing). Seems like DG is a progressive Bohras and Kothar has no problem with him and giving Shawl to him
http://www.zeninfosys.net/zeninfosys/ar ... rYear=1431#
when syedna's wife was to be buried (illegally) in the masjid complex in london and not in an ordinary cemetery, which privilege is never given to anyone outside the british royal family and to persons of the highest stature in the past like william shakespeare or lord nelson etc; the shameless beggars approached sir ghulam noon who is no longer a practising bohra and wudnt give a rats a*** to syedna or any of his ilk. they knew that only he had the connections to get their desires fulfilled. they very cleverly begged of him in the name of the syedna and the community to help achieve this.
once prince charles and camilla visited the masjid few months after the syedna's wife was buried and a corner hived off as a mausoleum, an automatic seal of approval was obtained and the deed was cemented so to speak.
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the syedna and his family are those cowards
alzulfikar you are equivalent to abu bakr durin Nabi Mohammed saw life..
alzulfikar you are equivalent to abu bakr durin Nabi Mohammed saw life..
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CROSEabu bakr durin Nabi Mohammed saw life..
Hazart Abu Baker did NOT do anything wrong during Prophet's life. every thing started after Prophet's death. Abu Baker was companion and Father-In-Law of the Prophet during his life
Should read the history properly.
Once again I will say go and read the book I recommended' After the Prophet" to understand the upheaval in Islam after Prophet's death. There is another book written by British author, Armstrong on Islam too which explains everything about Islam
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CROSEabu bakr durin Nabi Mohammed saw life..
Hazart Abu Baker did NOT do anything wrong during Prophet's life. every thing started after Prophet's death. Abu Baker was companion and Father-In-Law of the Prophet during his life
Should read the history properly.
Once again I will say go and read the book I recommended' After the Prophet" to understand the upheaval in Islam after Prophet's death. There is another book written by British author, Armstrong on Islam too which explains everything about Islam[/quote]
omabharti u are askin ppl to learn bout islam frm british armstrong ? he doesnt know better than Imams AS of flseh and blood of Nabi SAW.. abu bakr did a lot of wrong in Nabi Saw's life.you need to learn your own history,.
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How about posting some authentic references (Aamil's words are not the reference) instead of just blowing hot air.Oh I forgot you can not reveal what you learned in SABAKSabu bakr did a lot of wrong in Nabi Saw's life.you need to learn your own history,
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How about posting some authentic references (Aamil's words are not the reference) instead of just blowing hot air.Oh I forgot you can not reveal what you learned in SABAKS[/quote]abu bakr did a lot of wrong in Nabi Saw's life.you need to learn your own history,
it depends on what is authentic enuf fr u.if aamil words is blowing hot air then Imam AS words and Dai TUS words will also be not enuf.and ur last sentence does nt make ur case strong but weaker.leave da stupidity out .ur suppose to be adult.
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friends, romans and countrymen,
it is high time this charmingrose was laid to rest with a decent burial and her name added to the list of honorable 'also rans'...
her incoherent rants are not deserving of any further attention..
it is high time this charmingrose was laid to rest with a decent burial and her name added to the list of honorable 'also rans'...
her incoherent rants are not deserving of any further attention..
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friends, romans and countrymen,
it is high time this charmingrose was laid to rest with a decent burial and her name added to the list of honorable 'also rans'...
her incoherent rants are not deserving of any further attention..[/quote]
meet zulfikar.a real man who is now gangin up on a woman.
it is high time this charmingrose was laid to rest with a decent burial and her name added to the list of honorable 'also rans'...
her incoherent rants are not deserving of any further attention..[/quote]
meet zulfikar.a real man who is now gangin up on a woman.
Re: Conference in London
Check out the pics
Is there wine being served.. I may be completely wrong but just curious.
Can anyone confirm/comment on this?
http://www.zeninfosys.net/zeninfosys/ar ... rYear=1431
Check out the last two pics.
Is there wine being served.. I may be completely wrong but just curious.
Can anyone confirm/comment on this?
http://www.zeninfosys.net/zeninfosys/ar ... rYear=1431
Check out the last two pics.
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It looks like wine bottles, I tried to zoom it but picture is in low resoloution. I could not make out the name. It is highly unlikely that wine will be served during such meetings.
Any ways it is only khumr which is haram not the wine itself. we eat grapes everyday, a little rotten wont do much harm.
Any ways it is only khumr which is haram not the wine itself. we eat grapes everyday, a little rotten wont do much harm.
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Get a life man....accountability wrote: I tried to zoom it but picture is in low resoloution. I could not make out the name.
Re: Conference in London
haha like it is said jaisa desh waisa bhesaccountability wrote:It looks like wine bottles, I tried to zoom it but picture is in low resoloution. I could not make out the name. It is highly unlikely that wine will be served during such meetings.
Any ways it is only khumr which is haram not the wine itself. we eat grapes everyday, a little rotten wont do much harm.
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t looks like wine bottles, I tried to zoom it but picture is in low resoloution. I could not make out the name. It is highly unlikely that wine will be served during such meetings.
Any ways it is only khumr which is haram not the wine itself. we eat grapes everyday, a little rotten wont do much harm.
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wine is not haram as it is derive frm grapes ? beer is derive frm cereal grains.wht say nt haram too ?
Any ways it is only khumr which is haram not the wine itself. we eat grapes everyday, a little rotten wont do much harm.
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wine is not haram as it is derive frm grapes ? beer is derive frm cereal grains.wht say nt haram too ?
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That was supposed to be a SARCASTIC remark, I suppose it did not cross your beat up brain beerier .CROSE
wine is not haram as it is derive frm grapes ? beer is derive frm cereal grains.wht say nt haram too ?
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Thats what proggies are resorting to nowadays. Just answering sensible postings with nonsensical, incoherent posts. Just to bury the point.omabharti wrote:I suppose it did not cross your beat up brain beerier .
Well I guess that had to happen. as this reform movement is a farce anyways. And <b>Farce doesnt Last</b> :wink