Projecting Dai Mohammad Burhanuddin as Prophet Syedna

[profastian]

Shirk according to me is the non belief in the concept of "Wahdaniyat" (oneness). Be it the oneness of Allah or the oneness of the current Sahib-e-Zaman.

profitistan,

a slight correction... there is no "and" or "or" after ALLAH. anything you added after Allah made you a mushriq.

does your backside love the licking of extra hot flames in hell...??

Why cant there be "and" after Allah. Allah command love of Allah "and" the Prophet.

[Al Zulfiqar]

profitistan,,

i have some serious medical questions for you:

1. when did you last have your iq checked?
2. any recent unexplained headaches, blurry vision or lethargic episodes and watery eyes?
3. were you ever advised a brain scan?
4. at your last physical, was your blood sugar, liver function and hormonal functions checked, esp. your thyroids?
5. have you ever been advised any tests for alzheimer's or aspergers syndrome?
6. did you suffer any damage during childbirth, like being dropped on your head or asphyxiation?
7. lastly, any sudden blackouts or seizures, any euphoric experiences of glowing lights etc? perhaps an encounter with an ET?

based on your answers, i can decide on your future prognosis. meanwhile, avoid any sudden movements, driving or operating machinery, violent maatam and visiting bohra religious sites where extreme emotional involvement is called for, incl. this site.

take care, tamara haq ma dua farmavsu. ghanu jeevo..

[profastian]

profitistan,,

i have some serious medical questions for you:

1. when did you last have your iq checked?
Recently. Its above average

2. any recent unexplained headaches, blurry vision or lethargic episodes and watery eyes?
No

3. were you ever advised a brain scan?
No

4. at your last physical, was your blood sugar, liver function and hormonal functions checked, esp. your thyroids?
Yes. Everything normal

5. have you ever been advised any tests for alzheimer's or aspergers syndrome?
No
6. did you suffer any damage during childbirth, like being dropped on your head or asphyxiation?
No

7. lastly, any sudden blackouts or seizures, any euphoric experiences of glowing lights etc? perhaps an encounter with an ET?
No. I don't believe in ET

based on your answers, i can decide on your future prognosis. meanwhile, avoid any sudden movements, driving or operating machinery, violent maatam and visiting bohra religious sites where extreme emotional involvement is called for, incl. this site.

take care, tamara haq ma dua farmavsu. ghanu jeevo..

So whats the prognosis. I am waiting on tenterhooks. and thanks for the good wishes

[Al Zulfiqar]

the only logical conclusion one can come to after you gave yrself a clean bill of health, is that after years of sajdas to syedna and his h'zaadas, their forcible extraction of najwas and insertion of dangerous radiocative subversive materials into your brain and other sensitive regions, you have developed a severe case of infected and highly inflamed haemorrhoids.

this has now spread to your brain through a rather circuitous route and this is the cause of all the maladies you presenty suffer. now only syedna can save you, not even allah.

you shud start reciting from now.. inna dai-e, wa inna dai-e rajeun..

[Smart]

@profastian,
Thanks for the response. The oneness of Allah is the foundational principle of Islam. Now where does the saheb-e-zaman come in? Can you please quote any reference from quran, which specifies this?

[profastian]

@profastian,
Thanks for the response. The oneness of Allah is the foundational principle of Islam. Now where does the saheb-e-zaman come in? Can you please quote any reference from quran, which specifies this?

[17:71—Al Isra or bani Israil:71] (Remember) the day when We will call every people with their Imam; then whoever is given his book in his right hand, these shall read their book; and they shall not be dealt with a whit unjustly.

Now every person will be called by his Imam. Meaning each person mus have just one Imam. The plural Imams is not used.

[Al Zulfiqar]

smart,

aapko lagta hai ki ghadhon ko rasgulle khilane se woh insaan ban jayenge?!! unpe barbad mat karo aur kuch hamare beech bhi takseem karo.. hum kuch samose layenge, aur dost kuch malida, kabab vagairah... kuch dillagi hogi, aur kuch dil ki lagi ..

yeh forums to din-ba-din hadiqatul haiwaanat bantey ja raha hai..

[porus]

@profastian,
Thanks for the response. The oneness of Allah is the foundational principle of Islam. Now where does the saheb-e-zaman come in? Can you please quote any reference from quran, which specifies this?

[17:71—Al Isra or bani Israil:71] (Remember) the day when We will call every people with their Imam; then whoever is given his book in his right hand, these shall read their book; and they shall not be dealt with a whit unjustly.

Now every person will be called by his Imam. Meaning each person mus have just one Imam. The plural Imams is not used.

What a contortion on Tawheed Did you learn that from your sabak? By the way, it is not your Imam who will call you, it is Allah who will call you with your Imam? And Imam, with you by his side, will have his back-side firmly kicked all the way to hell, if you think tawheed refers to your Imam.

Along the lines of Al Z. I have new wordings for qul huwallahu ahad for you.

"Qul huwal Imamo ahad. Imamus samad. Da'iman walid, wa Da'iman yulid. Wa laysa li Imam kufuwan ahad, wa lam yakun li Imam kufuwan ahad."

Take to it in your daily prayer.

[Smart]

@AZ,
Thanks for invite. My mouth is already watering. The idea was to ask him to put up his ideas. Now that he has done it, IMHO he is fair game.

@Porus,
Thanks for your response. Distorting the quran, has been a game played by the establishment for long. We come across newer ways. The latest being, the claim that whenever the word 'burhan' comes in the quran, it connotes the present syedna.

[Hussain_KSA]

[17:71—Al Isra or bani Israil:71] (Remember) the day when We will call every people with their Imam; then whoever is given his book in his right hand, these shall read their book; and they shall not be dealt with a whit unjustly.

Now every person will be called by his Imam. Meaning each person mus have just one Imam. The plural Imams is not used.

What a contortion on Tawheed Did you learn that from your sabak? By the way, it is not your Imam who will call you, it is Allah who will call you with your Imam? And Imam, with you by his side, will have his back-side firmly kicked all the way to hell, if you think tawheed refers to your Imam.

Along the lines of Al Z. I have new wordings for qul huwallahu ahad for you.

"Qul huwal Imamo ahad. Imamus samad. Da'iman walid, wa Da'iman yulid. Wa laysa li Imam kufuwan ahad, wa lam yakun li Imam kufuwan ahad."

Take to it in your daily prayer.

Brother Porus you have made my day.

I would like to request Brother Al Zulfiqar to translate this in Lisan e Dawat.

[Al Zulfiqar]

Along the lines of Al Z. I have new wordings for qul huwallahu ahad for you.

"Qul huwal Imamo ahad. Imamus samad. Da'iman walid, wa Da'iman yulid. Wa laysa li Imam kufuwan ahad, wa lam yakun li Imam kufuwan ahad."

Take to it in your daily prayer.

fantastic porus!!! great one..

bro. hussain. will do the needful shortly. i am rushing off to an abde's funeral where we have been instructed to recite behind his janaza.. INNA DAI-E, WA INNA DAI-E RAJEUN..

[profastian]

[17:71—Al Isra or bani Israil:71] (Remember) the day when We will call every people with their Imam; then whoever is given his book in his right hand, these shall read their book; and they shall not be dealt with a whit unjustly.

Now every person will be called by his Imam. Meaning each person mus have just one Imam. The plural Imams is not used.

What a contortion on Tawheed Did you learn that from your sabak? By the way, it is not your Imam who will call you, it is Allah who will call you with your Imam? And Imam, with you by his side, will have his back-side firmly kicked all the way to hell, if you think tawheed refers to your Imam.

Ok, so would you please enlighten us, what Imam is being referred to in the Quran. So, my interpretation is incorrect. But you cant refute the Aayat. Please enlighten us with your interpretation and what Imam is being referred?

[porus]

[17:71—Al Isra or bani Israil:71] (Remember) the day when We will call every people with their Imam; then whoever is given his book in his right hand, these shall read their book; and they shall not be dealt with a whit unjustly.

Ok, so would you please enlighten us, what Imam is being referred to in the Quran. So, my interpretation is incorrect. But you cant refute the Aayat. Please enlighten us with your interpretation and what Imam is being referred?

You should take this explanation to your Amil in sabak and let us know what he said.

On that Day (of Judgment), Allah will call every people with their Imam. In your case, your Imam will be the Quran. Why? Because Quran is your furqan, and you will be judged according to the Quran and all your deeds are recorded in a book which you will be given. If you are given the book in your right hand , then you will be rewarded. If you are given the book in your left hand, you will be punished.

I will point out to you another ayat in which Quran is referred to as Imam. It is ayat 36:12. It states that Allah records all your actions as well as the effects of your actions. It also reminds you that Allah has given you the furqan, which is Quran, a complete set of criteria for your actions. The Quran in this ayat is called is called Imam Mubeen, literally, a clear and manifest Guide.

[SBM]

Br. Porus and Br.Pro
Can you please explain the following Ayat which clearly says "NOR A MEDIATOR" If that is the case then what role Imam plays.

Al-Sajjdah 32:4
God is He who created the heavens and the earth and what between them is in six days, then took over the Throne. You have no protector apart from Him, nor a mediator; so will you not take heed?(4)

[porus]

Br. Porus and Br.Pro
Can you please explain the following Ayat which clearly says "NOR A MEDIATOR" If that is the case then what role Imam play

Al-Sajjdah 32:4
God is He who created the heavens and the earth and what between them is in six days, then took over the Throne. You have no protector apart from Him, nor a mediator; so will you not take heed?(4)

In this ayat, mediator is the translation of the word shafi'. There are several ayats like this where Allah, and only Allah, is clearly shown to be the 'shafi' . So, wherever this word is used in the Quran, it always refers to Allah. So there be can be no other shafi' or intercessor in the presence of Allah.

Obviously you do not ask Allah to intercede between you and Allah. So, 'intercessor' or 'mediator' is not the correct translation. Unfortunately, most English translations uses this word.

There are several other ayats in which Quran states that there will be no shafa'at , another noun from the same root, except by his leave. Again, the interpretation is that Allah will permit someone other than him to intercede. This is a mistaken view, in my opinion. These ayats do not mention any interceder or mediator at all, just shafa'at, an abstract noun wrongly translated as 'intercession' or 'mediator'.

The correct interpretation is that, on the Day of Judgment, a person will stand in awe of Allah's majesty with fear in his heart, because he does not know what the judgment will be against him. For the deserving, Allah will banish the fear and thus cure them from their fear, and let them enter paradise.

Thus these ayats refer to healing or cure of fear, which is a form of disease. This is the real meaning of the word Shafi'. It means 'Healer' and 'Shafa'at' means 'Healing'. This is also the meaning of the common word Shifa' .

The conclusion is that no Prophet, no Imam, and no Dai can intercede for you. Period.

In my view, shafa'at is different from 'waseela'. But that is another discussion.

[anajmi]

porus,

That is an interesting interpretation. I will have to do more research on it.

[SBM]

Br. Porus and Br. Anjami
That is the point I was trying to bring when Aamils and other say that our Dai or Imam will hold your hands and take you to Jannat they are in fact saying that he will be a mediator between you and Allah and Quran clearly states otherwise.

[porus]

Let me further elaborate on the meaning of the word shafi' as healer.

Healing is from fear which in all its manifestations from mild worry to morbid horror is a form of disease.

when you are cured of fear, you become peaceful. Then you are at peace. Islam, which is submission to Allah's authority, banishes fear in this world and the next. So submission leads to peace, Salaam. It is in this sense that Islam is a religion of peace.

Quran is the prescription for this cure and healing, and the healer, the shafi' you can absolutely count on is Allah and no one else.

[profastian]

I will point out to you another ayat in which Quran is referred to as Imam. It is ayat 36:12. It states that Allah records all your actions as well as the effects of your actions. It also reminds you that Allah has given you the furqan, which is Quran, a complete set of criteria for your actions. The Quran in this ayat is called is called Imam Mubeen, literally, a clear and manifest Guide.

Ok. so you interpret it as the Quran being referred to as the Imam. We interpret it as the other way around. Can you prove our interpretation as wrong (like cant prove your wrong )

[anajmi]

This interpretation is existing. That is, the Quran is existing. Your Imam is hiding. Nowhere to be seen. First you bring him out, then we will prove that your interpretation is wrong.

[profastian]

This interpretation is existing. That is, the Quran is existing. Your Imam is hiding. Nowhere to be seen. First you bring him out, then we will prove that your interpretation is wrong.

What does the hiding of the Imam had to do with the interpretation. When you are cornered you spew senseless ramblings.

[Al Zulfiqar]

profitian,

anajmi is right. for all those new fangled interpretations that the syedna is churning out and hammering into abde brains like yours and not backed up by the quran, we can only believe in them if the imam comes out of hiding and explains them or supports them.

if syedna's father himself said under oath that there is no hidden imam, its all a mere figment of imagination, then what imam are you waiting for? its like you waiting for a non-existent train, when the track has been removed and the line cancelled a long, long time ago...

[profastian]

profitian,

anajmi is right. for all those new fangled interpretations that the syedna is churning out and hammering into abde brains like yours and not backed up by the quran, we can only believe in them if the imam comes out of hiding and explains them or supports them.

if syedna's father himself said under oath that there is no hidden imam, its all a mere figment of imagination, then what imam are you waiting for? its like you waiting for a non-existent train, when the track has been removed and the line cancelled a long, long time ago...

Please read my previous posts(I don't remember the thread) about the oath thing. Oaths in courts don't matter what the DAI preaches is what matters.

[Smart]

Are you saying that perjury is acceptable? Telling lies under oath is the done thing? Interesting indeed!!!

Now please go ahead and tell me which other higher values are dispensible.

I am sure beating up and spitting on your own ustads, will be one of them

[SBM]

Pro...n
Oaths in courts don't matter what the DAI preaches is what matters

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I always heard in Waez Syedna preaches to respect and obey the laws of the Land and taking Oath in the Court is following the laws of the Land
So which one Farman of Syedna do you follow
Lie under oath to save your butt or follow the laws of the land as preached by Syedna Cannot have both ways can you?

[profastian]

@AZ,
Thanks for invite. My mouth is already watering. The idea was to ask him to put up his ideas. Now that he has done it, IMHO he is fair game.

@Porus,
Thanks for your response. Distorting the quran, has been a game played by the establishment for long. We come across newer ways. The latest being, the claim that whenever the word 'burhan' comes in the quran, it connotes the present syedna.

Its not a game. What do you think the Quran contains. Just some tales of Prophets past or some fantastic descriptions of Jannats and Jahannam?
The Quran is current in every age.Hence the mention of the DAI in the Quran.

[anajmi]

Hence the mention of the DAI in the Quran.

Can you please let us know where the Dai has been mentioned in the Quran?

[anajmi]

Please read my previous posts(I don't remember the thread) about the oath thing. Oaths in courts don't matter what the DAI preaches is what matters.

This simply means that the oaths the Syedna takes cannot be trusted. Which means the Dai can lie whenever he wants to and in front of whoever he wants to. Which means that there is no guarantee that he is not lying to the abde idiots.

[Smart]

@profastian,
The games I have mentioned have not been played by the quran, they are played by the establishment. This word is a milder form of word which I regularly use for the extortion mafia which goes by the name of vazaarat.

What do you think the Quran contains. Just some tales of Prophets past or some fantastic descriptions of Jannats and Jahannam?
The Quran is current in every age.Hence the mention of the DAI in the Quran.

No, for us it is the word of Allah, however for the abdes, it is a fantastic fairy tale about the exploits and glory of the present dai. Allah, the panjatan, the imams are all small time extras and sidekicks in the drama. This is what is the gist of what is told to you in the vaez. The glory of one man !!!

The saddest part is not their dishing out of the nonsense, but the blind acceptance by the abdes / regressives.

[Al Zulfiqar]

we are discovering new disturbing facts about this unislamic cult called bohra-ism everyday..

1. it is ok for their supreme cult leader to lie in court and preach something else later. a great lesson in hypocrisy, perjury, lying and cheating to his followers.
2. the quran changes according to their current syedna and as per his whims and needs. so now the flavor of this era is the word 'burhan'. in the era of the next dai, it might be qaid johar, or muffadal or idris. the whole quran will change, even allah will change to accomodate this new dai.
3. while the syednas do not recognise the hidden imam and couldnt give a rats behind about him, they collect money on his behalf, celebrate his birthday and emotionally blackmail gullible bohras with his name.
4. the supreme cult leader of this strange new religion is a blood thirsty, cold-hearted and merciless murderer of endangered wild animals, an activity which allah himself has banned and condemned in the quran.
5. this cult leader who claims to be infallible (cannot make any mistakes), has had to apologise publicly for his mistakes and swallow humble pie.
6. its ok for such cult leaders to lose court cases and then lie and cheat by declaring a 'great victory'. but this is regular behaviour, nothing extraordinary for hypocrites and liars.
7. the dai's of this cult are greater than allah and order him about.
8. he owns you, your wife and family, your property and your souls. yet he asks us to sing ghanu jeevo for his own life.