what happened to dawat after 47th dai?

[incredible]

I understand progs belives after 47th dai there is no dai left,so i would like to know what happened to dawat after 47th dai?

in ismailis we belive there must be imam present in every era so if imam is absent and even dai then how wuld dawat run?

[profastian]

I understand progs belives after 47th dai there is no dai left,so i would like to know what happened to dawat after 47th dai?

in ismailis we belive there must be imam present in every era so if imam is absent and even dai then how wuld dawat run?

By a democratically elected jamaat.

[incredible]

^ yeah i know that caan be one option....but wuld like to know explaination from progs

[Smart]

This is not an explanation or a hypothetical situation. It has actually happened, and is history. Not the sanitised version dished out vaez, but the authentic version.

The 48th Dai and his successors accepted that they were not Daiul Mutlaq, but Daiul Nazim, or caretaker Dais. It is the 51st Dai, who first collected all the books of daawat from lay Bohras and then lay claim to being a Daiul Mutlaq. Those learned people who countered this were harassed and humiliated. This went on till the 70s, when the Ustads of the Jamea were hassled.

So, that is how the Bohras adapted to the lack of the nass.

[profastian]

This is not an explanation or a hypothetical situation. It has actually happened, and is history. Not the sanitised version dished out vaez, but the authentic version.

The 48th Dai and his successors accepted that they were not Daiul Mutlaq, but Daiul Nazim, or caretaker Dais. It is the 51st Dai, who first collected all the books of daawat from lay Bohras and then lay claim to being a Daiul Mutlaq. Those learned people who countered this were harassed and humiliated. This went on till the 70s, when the Ustads of the Jamea were hassled.

So, that is how the Bohras adapted to the lack of the nass.

And which DAI accepted that he and his successors will be DAI-ul-Nazim?

[porus]

I have posted the following long time ago. I am re-posting the correctly edited version here. The original had an error in the first paragraph which was corrected in the same thread.

http://dawoodi-bohras.com/forum/viewtop ... ini#p17378

The definitive history of the Dais is a book called Mausam-e-Bahar. Kothar has banned this book because it has some unsavory passages regarding the succession of the 47th Dai, Abdul Qadir Najmuddin. The latter was the son of the 45th Dai Tayyib Zainuddin, who nominated Muhammad Burhanuddin (son of 43rd Dai) to be the 46th Dai. It is alleged that the latter, the 46th Dai, was poisoned because he was about to nominate a successor not acceptable to the family of 45th Dai

A number of Mashaikh (Shaikhs) had verified Nass but there was no documentary evidence, and it is alleged that the Mashaikh were bribed. At least one of the Ulama who disputed the succession of the 47th Dai went to Yemen with binoculars around his neck. When asked what he was doing with the binoculars he replied that he was looking for the Imam.

Because of the dispute, some have insisted that all the Dais from 47th onward are caretaker Dais and the authentic Dai has yet to be nominated. Who is going to nominate him? OK, let your speculative juices have full sway!!

All the Dais since the 47th are from the family of the 45th Dai Tayyib Zainuddin. Hence their families were referred to as Bayte Zaini. However, there are currently over 2000 individuals in Bayte Zaini (House of Zain or Zainuddin). Hence the 51st Dai gave his family the name of Qasre Aali (High Palace). The problem has now recurred because there are well over 600 individuals in Qasre Aali. So expect a new name for the family of the current, 52nd. Dai.

In the days before the 47th Dai, shaik was a title rarely given. They were well versed in religion and served community for a long time. They were honored by the common Bohras with the title Miyan Saheb. 47th Dai changed all that by giving titles to sycophants with no real knowledge of religion. This meant that there were too many shaikhs and a large number were from the Dai’s family. Hence a new category, Bhai Sahebs, was created for the shaikhs of the “Royal” family. This practice continues today.

[incredible]

then where is the dai mutlaq? it cant be possible dawat remain without a dai.

[Mubarak]

then where is the dai mutlaq? it cant be possible dawat remain without a dai.

If Dawat can remain without Nabi (Prophet Mohammed was last nabi) then why can't Dawat remain without Dai Mutlaq?

Nabi is the superior rank and Dai-Mutlaq is among inferior rank.

Rank of Dawat (equal to gates of heaven):
1. Nabi
2. Vasi
3. Imam
4. Huzzat
5. Babul Abwab
6. Dai al Balagh
7. Dai al Zazira
8. Dai al Mutlaq
9. Mazoon
10. Mukasir

[incredible]

^ in your list there is no dai e nizaam.if present dai isnt dai mutlaq then what about mazun and mukasir?what are they?

[Mubarak]

^ in your list there is no dai e nizaam.if present dai isnt dai mutlaq then what about mazun and mukasir?what are they?

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