where does zakat money goes?

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Bismillah alrahmanir rahim...



well honestly being a bohra or not it does not matters but any one with open mind will notice this, so called dawat institution is a very big merchandise organization and billion of dollars are collected yearly in the name of zakat and other different names,but i wonder where do all this money goes coz if i list down i cant even find 10 services from kothar for poor people(as they are the real candidate for this money)

there are NO

*no free money lending service
*no free hospitals
*no services for poor students
*no services for aged community members
*no services for widows
*no health care services


so where do billion dollars vanishes every year?

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AND HERE WHERE ZAKAT CAN BE USED.
This is from Malumaat Message Board posted by Giant Mumbai South Khidmatguzars with the Raza of Aqa Moula (as per their own words)

Dear all
A mumena bhen by the name of Sakina Bhen and her old husband stay at Wadala Transit Home. The house is in a very bad state and moreover now they have been asked by the landlord to shift and leave the house as they are not the direct tenants of the said house.
Anyone keen to help may please call up Mulla Zoeb Bhai Kanchwala on 98201 33147. Mulla Zoeb Bhai will give all details as he is helping the family.
Regards
Husain

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Another One:

A mumin bhai by the name of Kuresh Bhai - 99675 09766 requires 47000/- for his sons computer education at the NIIT Computers, Mumbai.
Anyone keen to help and support may please call up directly.
Husain

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Another One:

Muwasaat Required
Dear all
Below are 3 very genuine cases. All 3 are widows.saying in Mazagaon - Mumbai. Names below are incomplete to protect identity.
Sakina Bai xxxxxx chambers 1st floor r. no. 36 , mazagaon
doctor in charge - dr. fazal ladha
her mom and sister died of cancer
Means of Income - Nil

Rashida Bai
xxxxx presidency
stays with her mother in law
Health is bad and requires the following medicines regulalrly
antas at
telma h
atocor 5
deplatta 75
indur 30
zoryl m1
latacom eye drops
iobrim eye drops

3.zohra
xxxxx building
son 18 years studying in lalas
means of income - nil
b block
10,000/- requires per year for fees of child
All above cases are very genuine and surveyed by us. All 3 ladies are widows but are very mukhlis and religious. Any help to them would be a great favor to them.
Maybe about 10,000 to all 3 of them would also be ok.
Husain

[aqs]

Bismillah alrahmanir rahim...



well honestly being a bohra or not it does not matters but any one with open mind will notice this, so called dawat institution is a very big merchandise organization and billion of dollars are collected yearly in the name of zakat and other different names,but i wonder where do all this money goes coz if i list down i cant even find 10 services from kothar for poor people(as they are the real candidate for this money)

there are NO

*no free money lending service
*no free hospitals
*no services for poor students
*no services for aged community members
*no services for widows
*no health care services


so where do billion dollars vanishes every year?

dont give your open mind so much trouble, this year onwards dont give any zakaat money to Syedna(tus), if you dont believe in him then its of no use.

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Bismillah alrahmanir rahim...



well honestly being a bohra or not it does not matters but any one with open mind will notice this, so called dawat institution is a very big merchandise organization and billion of dollars are collected yearly in the name of zakat and other different names,but i wonder where do all this money goes coz if i list down i cant even find 10 services from kothar for poor people(as they are the real candidate for this money)

there are NO

*no free money lending service
*no free hospitals
*no services for poor students
*no services for aged community members
*no services for widows
*no health care services


so where do billion dollars vanishes every year?

dont give your open mind so much trouble, this year onwards dont give any zakaat money to Syedna(tus), if you dont believe in him then its of no use.

its not just about my money but its about the hard earn blood money of million belivers of islaam...this reply does not answers any of my query so if money does not reach to needy one where does it goes?

[aqs]

its not just about my money but its about the hard earn blood money of million belivers of islaam...this reply does not answers any of my query so if money does not reach to needy one where does it goes?

its a very simple logic which you are having hard time to understand.

If you believe in Syedna(tus) as Haq na dai then you dont ask any questions, if you dont believe then dont pay.

regarding your question.

Progs have been on this path for long, please join them and increase their depleting number. as they are not able to see you will also be not able to see 100's of new Masajid constructions, renovation and expansion of almost all the mazaraat, saifee burhani foundation which helps students with scholarships, billions of rupees poured under qardan hasana scheme, 100's of flats constructed and distributed to poor and needy in many of the cities, dilapidated houses getting repaired, complete renovation of Imam(as) numerous Masaajid, Yemen rebuilding which includes even constructing roads in inhospitable conditions, Rasme saifee. this only comes to mind right now

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list few institution which helps people....masjid and mazaraat are constructed by individuals money.

karzehasanah is given in return of gold

yes 100's of flats are built but they are not given to people as an ownership instead they are given like a favour, they dont get any utility bills on there name so they cant use this property for any purpose like making passport or opening a bank account.

and on top of that people staying in such flats are usually looked by bad eye and always humilated by the amil and jamaat members.

roads in yemen is constructed just because gov is sunni and they dont belive in tomb constructions,morever yemen is given more attention because its always tuff to fool arabic speaking people coz they understand quraan unlike indian bohris who dont understand quraan.

all mazaraat are built with the concept of tourism boosting industry.more people visits this places more earning for kothar.

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list few institution which helps people....masjid and mazaraat are constructed by individuals money.

to start with your Jamaat, and then go to Amatullah building on bohri street behind Badri Mahal, maxumim org. are run from there.

karzehasanah is given in return of gold

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and where does that money comes to give in return of Gold

yes 100's of flats are built but they are not given to people as an ownership instead they are given like a favour, they dont get any utility bills on there name so they cant use this property for any purpose like making passport or opening a bank account.and on top of that people staying in such flats are usually looked by bad eye and always humilated by the amil and jamaat members.

its people like you who looks down on people, for Moula we all are same. Why will be people given the Flats in there name, they can sell it and then it can not be used for others who are in need. Ask your new masters(progs) how many flats they have constructed and given out for free to their brethern

roads in yemen is constructed just because gov is sunni and they dont belive in tomb constructions,morever yemen is given more attention because its always tuff to fool arabic speaking people coz they understand quraan unlike indian bohris who dont understand quraan.

as per you we dont understand Quran, thats fine with me. live under the delusion.

all mazaraat are built with the concept of tourism boosting industry.more people visits this places more earning for kothar.

if you have ever visited any mazaar what was your intention. dont paint every thing with the same brush.

PS: I generally desist from getting personnel in my comments, but you are making such silly allegations that i lost my cool. If reformists allege something that could be understood, but you as a person who claims to have mohabbat of Syedna(tus) alleges corruption charges against him(tus) then you have already lost faith in him(tus).

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still you are not able to list me few institutions which helps people without any personal benefit,but any ways i can understand there is none so how would u list them.

ps- I have no masters other then Allah subhanu and i dont need any masters other then HIM.I am raising this questions because i have free thinking ability,but it seems u have lost it.

Allah created humans and gave them higher status then angels just because Humans are favored by free will ability by Allah subhanu,if some body lost this ability he no longer qualifies for being called ashraful makhluqaaat.

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still you are not able to list me few institutions which helps people without any personal benefit,but any ways i can understand there is none so how would u list them.

for now this should be enough, but why do you want to know? this is tainted money oh sorry blood money in your words(gosh!! do you even know the meaning of the term)

Amatullah Aai Saheba Memorial Trust
Lambeth Palace Road, Lambeth, London SE1 7, United Kingdom‎ - 020 7898 1200

Amatullah Aai Saheba Memorial Trust
40/43 Bora bazaar street
Mumbai

ps- I have no masters other then Allah subhanu and i dont need any masters other then HIM.I am raising this questions because i have free thinking ability,but it seems u have lost it.

Allah created humans and gave them higher status then angels just because Humans are favored by free will ability by Allah subhanu,if some body lost this ability he no longer qualifies for being called ashraful makhluqaaat.

you are a fast learner from your Salafi teachers, soon you will learn from your new teacher(progs) how to call Usurpers of Moula Ali(as) as sahabas, good going down the road.

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do momeenin just reside in two cities like mumbai and london? there shud be such helping bodies in each and every cities where ever momeenin are residing...and by the way the attitude of people in badri mahal is so rude that a poor momeen will think million times before they approach to any one in badri mahal.

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Br. Aqs
I usually do not like to get in Mud Slinging but I listed 3 posts from Giant South Mumbai Khidmatguzars who really need money.
If Zakat money was properly used, then why these people would be asking for help so publicly. That website is being frequented by Kotharis and to have those those people being listed publicly for Mussawaat should be shameful for Bohra Community who can throw millions on Ziyafat and getting Shafayat rather than helping needy and less fortunate....It seems you and others are hell bend on defending a corrupt system and not really interested in helping the people.

[aqs]

do momeenin just reside in two cities like mumbai and london? there shud be such helping bodies in each and every cities where ever momeenin are residing...and by the way the attitude of people in badri mahal is so rude that a poor momeen will think million times before they approach to any one in badri mahal.

every jamaat gets money to be distributed as Muwasat or qard al hasana without gold(small amount). Amatulla Aai saheba trust only looks after scholarships and education funding, your jamaat can help to get funds from it, their are some forms to be filled with your present institute receipts where you have enrolled. depending on the condition of the person, scholarship is arranged from some percentage to 100%.

i agree that few in Badri mahal are arrogant, but dont put every one in the same basket

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Br. Aqs
I usually do not like to get in Mud Slinging but I listed 3 posts from Giant South Mumbai Khidmatguzars who really need money.
If Zakat money was properly used, then why these people would be asking for help so publicly. That website is being frequented by Kotharis and to have those those people being listed publicly for Mussawaat should be shameful for Bohra Community who can throw millions on Ziyafat and getting Shafayat rather than helping needy and less fortunate....It seems you and others are hell bend on defending a corrupt system and not really interested in helping the people.

Oma Bhai Salaam,

even i dont indulge in this kind of pep talk, as it does not serve any purpose.

Rasulallah(saw) has said that if you see even one beggar on the streets it means some one has not paid their zakaat.

Money is properly used its just that every one does not pay what is farizat on them. their can be few cases of corruption and high handedness but its a very large organisation and power corrupts few individuals. its a 1.2 million strong community so just figure out what percentage is asking for these kind of helps. and you will notice that max of the requesters never come back or repeat so they are definitely taken care of.

[Maqbool]

Progs have been on this path for long, please join them and increase their depleting number. as they are not able to see you will also be not able to see 100's of new Masajid constructions, renovation and expansion of almost all the mazaraat, saifee burhani foundation which helps students with scholarships, billions of rupees poured under qardan hasana scheme, 100's of flats constructed and distributed to poor and needy in many of the cities, dilapidated houses getting repaired, complete renovation of Imam(as) numerous Masaajid, Yemen rebuilding which includes even constructing roads in inhospitable conditions, Rasme saifee. this only comes to mind right now

I think aqs you are not that dump who can not understand why new masjids are made or renovated. It is only extract money. The inaugurating cost is equivalent to making or renovating masjid cost. You very well know this but you are so brain washed you will never except this.

every jamaat gets money to be distributed as Muwasat or qard al hasana without gold(small amount). Amatulla Aai saheba trust only looks after scholarships and education funding, your jamaat can help to get funds from it, their are some forms to be filled with your present institute receipts where you have enrolled. depending on the condition of the person, scholarship is arranged from some percentage to 100%.

Since your post shows that you have some knowledge of Daimul Islam. Don't you know that The Jakat money is first to be given to those near to you. It is collected by jamat in lacks and only 5 to 10 % is returned as muvasat to the jamat. Why the jamat is not give the full amount to be distributed in the same place. The money given to jamat is peanut and there are more requirements.

Rasulallah(saw) has said that if you see even one beggar on the streets it means some one has not paid their zakaat.

Money is properly used its just that every one does not pay what is farizat on them. their can be few cases of corruption and high handedness but its a very large organisation and power corrupts few individuals. its a 1.2 million strong community so just figure out what percentage is asking for these kind of helps. and you will notice that max of the requesters never come back or repeat so they are definitely taken care of.

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By the way will you please tell me, is Sayedna also liable to pay jakat! And if yes then, it will be a huge amount, because he has an exorbitant income from salam, iiafat, titels. If he pays jakat honestly i am sure no one in the community will have to go for help out side.

Dear aqs dont become an ostrich, Be honest and think on right direction.

[aqs]

I think aqs you are not that dump who can not understand why new masjids are made or renovated. It is only extract money. The inaugurating cost is equivalent to making or renovating masjid cost. You very well know this but you are so brain washed you will never except this.

i also give you the benefit of doubt for not being Dumb.
New masajid are constructed for Allah only and nothing else. their is no inauguration cost whatsoever. I am brainwashed or not thats my Allah has to see but how you are behaving and questioning Dai is quite incomprehensible(only if you are still in the fold)

Since your post shows that you have some knowledge of Daimul Islam. Don't you know that The Jakat money is first to be given to those near to you. It is collected by jamat in lacks and only 5 to 10 % is returned as muvasat to the jamat. Why the jamat is not give the full amount to be distributed in the same place. The money given to jamat is peanut and there are more requirements.

more money comes back to deserving jamaats then they give. yours might be a big one where things are taken care on Jamaat level but in small Jamaats more money flows in.

By the way will you please tell me, is Sayedna also liable to pay jakat! And if yes then, it will be a huge amount, because he has an exorbitant income from salam, iiafat, titels. If he pays jakat honestly i am sure no one in the community will have to go for help out side.

Dear aqs dont become an ostrich, Be honest and think on right direction.

it does not bother me how much he pays or he pays or not, Allah has ordered me to pay my Zakaat, so i pay.

[who2trust]

it does not bother me how much he pays or he pays or not, Allah has ordered me to pay my Zakaat, so i pay.

Bro. aqs,

Indeed allah has ordered us to pay zakaat, and we all do...allah is all knower. However, the important point here is to pay zakaat to the needy not to someone who is already Rich and wealthy.

[Maqbool]

Dear Aqs,

You have proved me right, You are so brainwashed you will never except the reality. They charge us exorbitant fee for inauguration, every body know this but you are denying!!

Now a days in our community the masjid is not a place of God but is used for political purpose. The prayer is less but other activities like showing a film with musics are more. Displaying photos are common in masjid.

If sayedna pays his jakat there will not be any mumin remain with out food, Education, medical aid or house. Can you just explain why in big cities they send less muwasat where as they are collecting more? You have cleverly ignored the Daimul Islam factor.

[aqs]

Br. Who2trust/Maqbool,

Salaam

I am out of town for few days, Inshallah will continue once back

Aqs

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Br. Who2trust/Maqbool,

Salaam

I am out of town for few days, Inshallah will continue once back

Aqs

Hahahaha... Anyone who has been following your comments the past few days, isn't shocked by your cowardliness..

You are the SHAITAN himself & the worst person I have come across at this forum !!

[seeker110]

Br.aqs is just a troll and most likely a Family member.Its more important for him to believe in Dai,and forget anything Islam says.If he did believe in Islam,it would mean a 9to 5 work day.My parents taught me that if you acquire money that you did not work for, it would destroy you and your future generation.Lottery winners are the living proof.Their lives are ruined after winning large amounts of money.
Islam wants us to live simply.Your food will taste great and life will free of fear.Did Nabi or Ali need body guards.I wonder why not.

[Aarif]

Aqs,

When you come back please answer the following questions:

1) Who provides the money for Syedna and his family's chartered flights?
2) Our local Aamil told me that the zadaas have individual apartments in some of the most exotic places like London. Who provides the money for that?
3) Who sponsers Syedna's hunting trips?
4) Who provides money to maintain palaces like Badri Mahel/Saifee Mahal etc.?
5) Who provides money to maintain the opulent life-styles of Syedna and his family?

I am asking these questions because these people do not work for a living. And if that is the case from where does all this money come? Also, please note that the above mentioned questions are just a few examples pointing to the tip of the ice-berg. If you will do the actual hisab of how much money the Royal family spends on its maintanance every year, the figure will go in millions...

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Br. Who2trust/Maqbool,

Salaam

I am out of town for few days, Inshallah will continue once back

Aqs

Aq-shaitan...

It's time to come out from your hiding, with all your hidden bull%¤#!!

This "tag team" you & profastian have..is getting a little boring..

[Al Zulfiqar]

this a really silly question, "where does the zakat money go?"

if you can believe that the salaams collected in the name of imam-uz-zaman goes to the invisible imam, then the zakat money is also going to the invisible bohras - widows, orphans, poor and deserving etc - who are indeed very grateful to the unseen and invisible hands which send them the invisible zakat money.

yours is not to question why, yours is but to give fakher rakams and die. QED.

[Al-Muizz]

this a really silly question, "where does the zakat money go?"

if you can believe that the salaams collected in the name of imam-uz-zaman goes to the invisible imam, then the zakat money is also going to the invisible bohras - widows, orphans, poor and deserving etc - who are indeed very grateful to the unseen and invisible hands which send them the invisible zakat money.

yours is not to question why, yours is but to give fakher rakams and die. QED.

Look, how can you assume the poor Bohras are not taken careof? Just because there is a Hawaij website does not mean the Kothar doesn't help?

What's important? You seeing the posting and snickering that the zakat is not used to hel them, or you trying to do your part in helping a fellow Mumeen in need? You can sit and be an armchair quarterback, or you can get out there and throw the ball.....which will it be?

[Al Zulfiqar]

muizz,

now you are being self righteous and devious. the question is not what we can as individuals do or not do, the question is what is the kothar doing with the hundreds, perhaps thousands of crores that it is collecting from bohras.

as for 'assuming', there is no need to assume, the evidence is all around you. all u need is eyes and ears and common sense. there are thousands of poor bohras staying in slum like conditions, bohras not being able to afford proper food, or educate their children, suffering because they have no money for medical treatment, unable to get their daughters married, etc. these bohras are too embarassed to attend markaz in their shabby clothes, besides they cannot afford all the fancy STD's and the stiff vajebaat demanded from them. they prefer to stay away.

if your attempt is to divert attention from the misdeeds, corruption and wanton disregard of our clergy, then you haven't succeeded at all. on the contrary you are further highlighting their arrogance and shamelessness.

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Al-Muizz
you trying to do your part in helping a fellow Mumeen in need?

How do you know people are not doing their part? Kothar is collecting money from Bohras and it is a legitimate question where is the money going?
Do not ask rhetorical question about individuals how are they helping? Check with Giant Mumbai Khidmatguzars regarding individual help and they will tell you how many individual Bohras (progressive and Ortho) are doing their part despite giving Zakat money to Kothari Goons

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One simple way of gauging poverty levels is the number of kids coming into service in the various shops of dawoodi bohras all over India. A number of kids in the age bracket 14-18 come and do menial jobs - mostly from Sidhpur and small gujrat villages.

Just make an estimate in your own town and you will realize the numbers. If bohras are so well to do as claimed, where are these kids coming from? Are they some illusion? Don't they deserve a good education and a chance to do well in their lives? What welfare scheme is in place for these unfortunate people?

I can bet my last quarter I will not get a satisfying reply.

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kids are not just working in india but if u visit dubai u will see all this rich bohras have employed poor kids from kathyawaad at minimul wages,its really shameful how they spend billions on jamaaat yet these kids are paid so less and live and work in miserable conditions.