SAJADA TO IMAM IS TAQRIMAN VA TAZIMAN, AND TAQBILUL ARD(KISING OF EARTH)...
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pesticide,progticide wrote:
Remember when your Lord said to the angels, "I am going to create a man (Adam) from sounding clay of altered black smooth mud. So when I have fashioned him completely and breathed into him (Adam) the soul which I created for him then fall you down prostrating yourselves unto him."
What a revelation!progticide wrote:the Dai is the Adam of the age/era.
Murtaza,Hussain_KSA wrote:Brother Murtaza
I think this page is from some other book which has given the reference of book written by Syedna Qadi Noman.
I did not find the words which you quoted (وقال القاضي النعمان في كتاب "الهمة في آداب أتباع الأئمة) in above passage. Even if it would have been there that means it is reference from his book.
Translation is wrong. It seems that you have translated it from google translate which is not 100% correct .
I am not scholar so I don’t want to discuss on this matter. I don’t remember reading this passage in book written by Syedna Noman. However I can confirm the Qadi Noman has discussed the subject in said book.
As Hussain_KSA pointed out, the Arabic line in black above is not in the original passage and it clearly could not have been because someone other than Qazi Noman is writing it. That sentence can be properly translated as:murtaza2152 wrote:
Porus cant you see in last 7th line ,,It is clearly written ,, وقال القاضي النعمان في كتاب "الهمة في آداب أتباع الأئمة
فينبغي لمن واجه الإمام عليه السلام أن يبدأ بالسلام عليه، ثم يقبل الارض بين يديه، ويعتقد ذلك تعظيماً له، وتقرباً إلى الله
Translation of above lines--
The judge said Naman in the book "Elan in the ethics of the followers of the imams": "The one who is faced Imam peace be upon him, to greet him, then kiss the ground between his hands, and believes that respect for it, and was close to God"
I have clearly stated many times, Sajada to Allah is not same as Sajada to Imam or Dai it is TAKRIMAN TAZIMAN TAQBILUL ARD (Written in KITAAB UL HIMMA above passage last 7th line ثم يقبل الارض بين يديه، ويعتقد ذلك تعظيماً له، وتقرباً إلى الله
Here we are not talking about Qadambosi,start a new thread i will give my comments there.
I wrote this (وقال القاضي النعمان في كتاب "الهمة في آداب أتباع الأئمة),so it can be understood that the book is of Syedna Qazi Noman,,it is not in that book,,Hussain_KSA wrote:Brother Murtaza
I think this page is from some other book which has given the reference of book written by Syedna Qadi Noman.
I did not find the words which you quoted (وقال القاضي النعمان في كتاب "الهمة في آداب أتباع الأئمة) in above passage. Even if it would have been there that means it is reference from his book.
Translation is wrong. It seems that you have translated it from google translate which is not 100% correct .
I am not scholar so I don’t want to discuss on this matter. I don’t remember reading this passage in book written by Syedna Noman. However I can confirm the Qadi Noman has discussed the subject in said book.
Now ,do you think Syedna Qazi Noman did Shirk,,and he was a Mushriq.....Just as Syedi Sadiq Ali Saheb.....My answers in red
Porus quoted
The Arabic in red in this post can be translated as:
فينبغي لمن واجه الإمام عليه السلام أن يبدأ بالسلام عليه، ثم يقبل الارض بين يديه، ويعتقد ذلك تعظيماً له، وتقرباً إلى الله
"It is incumbent upon whoever approaches the Imam (peace be upon him) that he begins by offering salutation (salaam) to him, then kiss the ground in front of him. And this is considered honoring him and being near to Allah."
So point is cleared,Sajada to Imam and Dai is Taqbilul Ard and Taziman va Taqriban ilalAlllah,,
(By the way, the word "takriman" does not appear in the passage)
Sory my mistake it is Taqriban ilalAlllah
No. What is clear is that kissing the ground is considered by Qazi Noman as being respectful of Imam. He implies that this is not sujood to Imam. As to kissing the ground, the sentence is ambiguous. Ground in front of Imam or the in front of the person approaching the Imam? Assuming that they are facing each other, the ground is the same. But it does not have to be.murtaza2152 wrote: So point is cleared,Sajada to Imam and Dai is Taqbilul Ard and Taziman va Taqriban ilalAlllah,,
Actually he was a senior judge, Qazi.anajmi wrote:"Syedna" Qazi Numan was a paid poet in the court of the Imam of that time.
I have to add that my above argument applies only if Qazi Numan has asked for Sajda to the Imam, as we are still trying to figure out the meaning of what he has said.anajmi wrote:Sorry, Qazi Numan was a senior judge paid to write praises of the Imam.
Being a senior judge makes it look that much worse for him!! A judge is supposed to have a higher authority than even the khalifa as is evidenced from incidents during the time of Hazrat Ali. I am sure we have all read them!!
I must add that this a recommendation by Qazi Noman and not a command from the Quran and it is not mandatory for any one. And Qazi Noman is not the Imam.porus wrote: "It is incumbent upon whoever approaches the Imam (peace be upon him) that he begins by offering salutation (salaam) to him, then kiss the ground in front of him. And this is considered honoring him and being near to Allah."
Now you are using your interpretations,porus wrote: No. What is clear is that kissing the ground is considered by Qazi Noman as being respectful of Imam. He implies that this is not sujood to Imam. As to kissing the ground, the sentence is ambiguous. Ground in front of Imam or the in front of the person approaching the Imam? Assuming that they are facing each other, the ground is the same. But it does not have to be.
Aimmat Tahereen are ,They are in Maqam of Allah on Earth ,,porus wrote: Murtaza,
That is just poetry and license is taken for much hyperbole. I would like you to present a doctrine and its origin in scholars of the past.
so according to this new cult of mushriks, how many Allah's are there? one in heavens, one on earth, one in the oceans, one underground, maybe one inside the volcanoes and deep caves etc????murtaza2152 wrote:
Aimmat Tahereen are ,They are in Maqam of Allah on Earth ,,
murtaza2152 wrote:Murtaza,murtaza2152 wrote: You must have heard in Waaz of Mola tus, Imams words "Aasman ma nathi Magar Khuda,Ane Zamin ma nathi Magar Hame"
That is just poetry and license is taken for much hyperbole. I would like you to present a doctrine and its origin in scholars of the past.
porus wrote:I must add that this a recommendation by Qazi Noman and not a command from the Quran and it is not mandatory for any one. And Qazi Noman is not the Imam.porus wrote: "It is incumbent upon whoever approaches the Imam (peace be upon him) that he begins by offering salutation (salaam) to him, then kiss the ground in front of him. And this is considered honoring him and being near to Allah."
Now you are giving your views,,,,, He says clear cut, THE SAJADA TO IMAM IS TAQBILUL ARD ,TAZIMAN TAKRIBAN ILALALLH
فينبغي لمن واجه الإمام عليه السلام أن يبدأ بالسلام عليه، ثم يقبل الارض بين يديه، ويعتقد ذلك تعظيماً له، وتقرباً إلى الله
Secondly, Bohras do not kiss the ground before them when they approach the Dai. They actually perform sajda to him and kiss his feet. Qazi Noman does not say " tasjudoo lil-Imam thumma taqbiloo aqdaama-hu" (Perform sajda to Imam and then kiss his feet)
This topic is not about kissing feet,,And also everytime we do not kiss feet, You must have seen in Waaz Sadatkiram performing Sajada...