The rise of the Fatimi Empire (Again)

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Doctor
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Re: The rise of the Fatimi Empire (Again)

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Unread post by Doctor » Thu Apr 21, 2011 9:12 am

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An 'adna & gareeb' mumineen with no money is richer and more important than all kaafirs in the above link.

Burhanuddin sahab is never ever with any 'adna & gareeb' mumineen in pose same like he is with rich and prestigious people?

Above link is clear proof: Janab Burhanuddin sahab is material and not spritual leader.


(2)
Mola Ali (a) said (ref: Daim-ul_islam - Chapter: masjid ka bayan): "Don't allow christians, jews (kaafirs) entry in your mosques otherwise you will be made pigs and monkeys."

Janab Burhanuddin sahab invited UK christian parliamentarian inside London mosque. (Bala sahab Thakre and other kafirs were likewise fascilitated). Thus, Burhanuddin sahab is guilty of acting against the command of Mola Ali (a).

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Re: The rise of the Fatimi Empire (Again)

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Unread post by Doctor » Fri Apr 22, 2011 1:40 am

Doctor wrote:
(1)
An 'adna & gareeb' mumineen with no money is richer and more important than all kaafirs in the above link.

Burhanuddin sahab is never ever with any 'adna & gareeb' mumineen in pose same like he is with rich and prestigious people?

Above link is clear proof: Janab Burhanuddin sahab is material and not spritual leader.


(2)
Mola Ali (a) said (ref: Daim-ul_islam - Chapter: masjid ka bayan): "Don't allow christians, jews (kaafirs) entry in your mosques otherwise you will be made pigs and monkeys."

Janab Burhanuddin sahab invited UK christian parliamentarian inside London mosque. (Bala sahab Thakre and other kafirs were likewise fascilitated). Thus, Burhanuddin sahab is guilty of acting against the command of Mola Ali (a).
Why Burhanuddin sahab is never seen in the Santacruz (Mumbai) hutments of 'adna & gareeb' Dawoodi Bohras Mumineen?

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Re: The rise of the Fatimi Empire (Again)

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Unread post by progticide » Fri Apr 22, 2011 3:25 am

Doctor Mubarak,
If you have nothing to do with the Duat Mutlaqeen of the fatemi dawat and you are ok with the insult and disrespect attributed to them on this forum by your brethren in faith, then why are you bothered about what is happening with the Dawoodi Bohra community. You have anyways chosen to disassociate yourself from us by not condemning the remarks against the 43rd Dai al Mutlaq on this forum. If you are unaware of this go see the topic "porus v/s Mubarak". i am sure you have read the posts and chosen to remain silent which only vindicates the point that you are no longer in the fold of Fatemi Dawat.

So go and mind your own business and stop poking your dirty nose in the affairs of our community. I was right about you when I said on one of the threads that you have inclination towards Wahhabism. It is proved today.

candela
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Re: The rise of the Fatimi Empire (Again)

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Unread post by candela » Fri Apr 22, 2011 12:49 pm

Doctor wrote:Why Burhanuddin sahab is never seen in the Santacruz (Mumbai) hutments of 'adna & gareeb' Dawoodi Bohras Mumineen?
progticide wrote:So [Doctor Mubarak] go and mind your own business and stop poking your dirty nose in the affairs of our community.
Assalaamu alaikum,

I was once a bohra and back then if someone raised the issue that Doctor has, it might have sooner or later gotten to me so I must echo him: why is the syedna seen with high-ranking officials/politicians and never seen amongst the poor and down-trodden? Why are ziyafats only for those who can afford the ridiculous salaams required, and hence not for the poor? And why are the bohras okay with this, how can they still justify the divinity of the syedna?

Abdes/devout Bohras need to stop for a moment, clear their mind of any of the syedna or the Dawoodi Bohra priesthood, and visualize, just for a moment, what goodness of character should actually entail. Perhaps you'll imagine:
  • someone actively thinking about the poor in the community, and what their physical, emotional and spiritual needs are
  • someone actively encouraging their followers to think, to not be stagnant in their lives and to constantly see their day to day actions in a bigger perspective
  • someone who actually urges everyone to learn their deen (and that means gaining knowledge, not recognizing your place in the social ladder and knowing all of the wajebaats you have to pay)
  • someone who puts their words into action, to the extent possible, but modestly so
  • many other things better than what I can think of right now
Coming back to the Dawoodi Bohra priesthood, do you not see a marked contrast? Are you not reminded of:
  • someone who speaks messages of love to all Bohras, but seems to not actually care about them except their capacity to deliver wajebaats
  • someone who may or may not be encouraging his followers to think, but who shows little sign of it himself as he always appears to be reading off a pre-written manuscript
  • someone who people may say is encouraging everyone to learn their deen but in effect, somehow or another most people have not even learned the meanings of the Qur'an because they are taught that the true meanings of the Qur'an are inaccessible to the masses and that it is wrong to try to understand the Qur'an yourself since if you get a meaning wrong, the sin for you is enormous
  • someone who is not seen doing any common-sense acts of good like seeing to the needs of the poor and the destitute, but who has scores of pics available of him mingling w/ politicians and higher-ups, in at least a few cases (and some say most to all cases) corrupt ones?
And my last point for abdes/devout Bohras to ponder over... if any of these issues I or others have raised have bothered you, do you feel that your Dai is accessible enough to you that you could get answers directly from him? Do you think he is open enough to answer questions you might have vis-a-vis points raised on this forum?

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Re: The rise of the Fatimi Empire (Again)

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:24 pm

candela wrote:
And my last point for abdes/devout Bohras to ponder over... if any of these issues I or others have raised have bothered you, do you feel that your Dai is accessible enough to you that you could get answers directly from him? Do you think he is open enough to answer questions you might have vis-a-vis points raised on this forum?
candela,

an eminently sensible post wherein you have raised many logical questions. do you think any of the fanatic backside lickin abdes care?? they are so deep into their mind numbing cult that they will not only ignore any inconvenient questions but are blinded by their misplaced faith in the crooked mercenary clergy which claims to lead them (to hell..)

as for your last and final question about: "do you feel that your Dai is accessible enough to you that you could get answers directly from him?". even that accesibility has been converted to a business. you want to see him and do kadambosi? shell out so much moolah. you want to talk a few words to him? shell out so much more. you want him to come to your house? better have a palatial house and 52 lakhs ready.

as for answers from him to your questions: that is another clever subterfuge. send an arzi through yr amil, warm his pockets, and then wait interminably for a stupid reply written by SSC failed hired lackeys sitting in the dungeons of saifee mahal churning out astrology type crap. read this thread here, "WHO ANSWERS OUR ARZI'S?"

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Re: The rise of the Fatimi Empire (Again)

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Unread post by candela » Fri Apr 22, 2011 4:27 pm

Al Zulfiqar wrote:an eminently sensible post wherein you have raised many logical questions. do you think any of the fanatic backside lickin abdes care?? they are so deep into their mind numbing cult that they will not only ignore any inconvenient questions but are blinded by their misplaced faith in the crooked mercenary clergy which claims to lead them (to hell..)
There are probably many Bohras who've taken it as axiomatic that this sect is true, that the Dawat is the only force of true Islam, and for whom this axiom is more fundamental than 1+1=2. I don't really know what to say about them. But I hope most Bohras are sensible enough to take points raised on this forum and reflect carefully over them.
Al Zulfiqar wrote:as for your last and final question about: "do you feel that your Dai is accessible enough to you that you could get answers directly from him?". even that accesibility has been converted to a business. you want to see him and do kadambosi? shell out so much moolah. you want to talk a few words to him? shell out so much more. you want him to come to your house? better have a palatial house and 52 lakhs ready.
(As a Bohra I might have thought): how dare you Al Zulfiqar?! He's delivering truth, not running a business! If I have a legitimate question, all I have to do is ask and I trust he'll give me an answer FOR FREE, because THAT'S HIS JOB! Now all I have to do is go and ask my parents about how to ask the Dai a question, because, quite frankly, I didn't even know we could ask him a question.

So again, Bohras, do you believe that the Dai is accessible to you? Do you agree or disagree w/ Al Zulfiqar's claim that you cannot reach the moula except w/ moolah?

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Re: The rise of the Fatimi Empire (Again)

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Unread post by Anonymous2011 » Sat Apr 23, 2011 9:09 am

candela wrote: There are probably many Bohras who've taken it as axiomatic that this sect is true, that the Dawat is the only force of true Islam, and for whom this axiom is more fundamental than 1+1=2. I don't really know what to say about them. But I hope most Bohras are sensible enough to take points raised on this forum and reflect carefully over them.
This is true. Bohra children are brought up thinking that they are following true islam and that they are the only direct descendants of Adam. Most of the bohra populace does not visit this site. They prefer watching pictures and videos on mumineen.org and malumaat.com. They are satisfied with watching old men in white clothes performing weird rituals in the name of islam and try to find hidden meanings in their actions; when in fact there are none. Bohra children grow up rote learning everything and their achievements are restricted to regurgitating passages from memory when asked or in exams. Intelligent learning, debates and discussions are beyond them. Older intelligentsia is quite since they can't do much, while the younger folks usually leave the fold.
candela wrote: (As a Bohra I might have thought): how dare you Al Zulfiqar?! He's delivering truth, not running a business! If I have a legitimate question, all I have to do is ask and I trust he'll give me an answer FOR FREE, because THAT'S HIS JOB! Now all I have to do is go and ask my parents about how to ask the Dai a question, because, quite frankly, I didn't even know we could ask him a question.

So again, Bohras, do you believe that the Dai is accessible to you? Do you agree or disagree w/ Al Zulfiqar's claim that you cannot reach the moula except w/ moolah?
Bohras have been dumbed down over three or four generations now. No Bohra children are encouraged to ask any questions. In fact, the only thing impressed upon them is to do as told by their elders, who in turn are misguided by the priests and their leader. A normal Bohra does *not think*, s/he goes through life like a pre-programmed robot.

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Re: The rise of the Fatimi Empire (Again)

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Unread post by incredible » Sat Apr 23, 2011 9:29 am

If dawoodi bohra kids are dumb then....

how many scholars generate by reformist sect?

how many high positioned dignatories created from reformist sect?

how many hafiz ul Quraan or kari from reformists?

list goes on.

Doctor
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Re: The rise of the Fatimi Empire (Again)

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Unread post by Doctor » Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:38 am

Bhai aqs, Bhai all Shabab mumineen & mumeenat,

Don't you all agree that, An 'adna & gareeb' mumineen with no money is richer and more important than all kaafirs in the above link put together?

If you agree, then think with honest state of mind: why Burhanuddin sahab is never seen in the Santacruz (Mumbai) hutments of 'adna & gareeb' Dawoodi Bohras Mumineen - hugging them and thier poor children, eating in their huts, showing them solidiarity?