Yazid : Different Views, Different Perspectives.

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Yazid : Different Views, Different Perspectives.

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Fri Aug 12, 2011 6:40 pm

The below mentioned article is downloaded from the net :-

There are many conflicting narrations regarding Yazeed. Some narrations describe him as being addicted to dancing, wine and music. (Al Bidaya wan nihayyah 11/659 Marqazul buhooth wad diraasaat) He was also accused of legalizing adultery. Some regard him responsible for the martyrdom of Hazrat Husain (R.A). Based on these narrations, some Ulama regarded it permissible to curse him and even passed the verdict of kufr on him.

There are however, other narrations that describe him as a pious and learned leader. He is also praised for his night prayers. He was very disheartened at the martyrdom of Husain (R.A) and he also cursed the killer. Based on these narrations, there are Ulama who hold him in great esteem.

A third group of Ulama prefer silence and hand over his matter to Allah. This is the view of the vast majority of Ulama including the (majority of the) Ulama of Deoband. (Aap ke masaail aur unka hal 1/171)

The reason for this stance is that many reports condemning Yazeed are weak, especially in view of the fact that many senior Sahabah took allegiance to Yazeed. Yazeeds love for the family of Husain (R.A) is also recorded in many narrations.


Ali bin Husain (R.A) (the son of Husain R.A) mentions: “We entered Damascus on our return from Kufa. Many people had gathered at the door of Yazeed. I was taken to him and (found him) seated on a bed. By his side there were people from Shaam, and Hijaaz who were all silent. I was at the head of my family (therefore) I saluted (first). Yazeed asked: “Who of you is Ali bin Husain?” I responded to him. He commanded that I be brought closer to him so much until my chest was just above his bed. Thereafter he said: “Know well, if your father came to me so that I could join ties with him and fulfil his rights (I would have gladly done so) but Ibn Ziyaad, may Allah’s curse be on him, was too fast.” I responded: “Oh Ameer ul mumineen, we are overtaken with dissension.” Yazeed replied: “May Allah remove this dissension.” I submitted: “Our wealth has been snatched. Make a note that it should be returned to us.” He immediately recorded it down. Thereafter Yazeed said: “Stay by me so that I can fulfil your needs and show kindness to you.” I answered that Madinah is much more beloved to me. Yazeed retorted: “Being close to me is better for you” I submitted: “My family is scattered. We would gather them so that they can be thankful to Allah for this bounty.” Thereafter, he equipped and provided for us more than was taken from us to such an extend that he also gave clothes and (other) equipment and sent with us messengers to Madinah. He also allowed that we stop wherever we desire.” (Mukhtasar tareekh Dimasq 1/3754 Al Makabah al shamillah)


Allamah Baladhry narrates that Muhammad bin Ali bin Abi Talib-famously known as Ibnul Hanafiyyah- once came to bid farewell to Yazeed when departing from Damascus after spending some time with him. Yazeed said to him (and he always honoured him): “Oh Abul Qasim, if you had seen any bad quality in me (inform me so that) I can reform. And I can practice on the advice you give me.” Ibnul Hanafiyyah responded: By the oath of Allah, if I saw any evil in you it would be incumbent on me to prohibit you and inform you of the truth for the pleasure of Allah because Allah has made it binding on the people of knowledge to speak the truth and not conceal it. However, I NEVER SAW ANY EVIL IN YOU. (Ansaabul ashraaf 5/17 Al Maktaba al shamilah)


In the above narrations, the brother of Husain (R.A), Ibnul Hanafiyyah (R.A), testifies that he never saw Yazeed perpetrating any evil. In another narration he denies that Yazeed ever drank wine, omitted prayers or exceeded the laws of the Quraan. Ibnul Hanafiyyah (R.A) also talks of Yazeed’s perpetuity on salaah, his love for good, his thirst for knowledge and attachment to the sunnah.

Hafidh Ibn Katheer has related in Al Bedayah wan nehayah (11/653) that Muhammad bin Mutee and his companions came to Muhammad bin Ali bin Abi Talib (famously known as Ibnul Hanifiyyah) and desired that he removes Yazeed (from the post of a leader). Ibnul Hanafiyyah blatantly refused. Ibnul Mutee remarked: “Verily Yazeed consumes wine, omits prayers and trespasses the laws of the Quran.” Ibnul Hanafiyyah responded: “I never found him to be how you mention. Instead I stayed by him and found him PUNCTUAL ON PRAYERS, PURSUING GOOD, ASKING MATTERS OF DEEN AND STEADFAST ON THE SUNNAH.” To this they said: “He did this only to impress you” Ibnul Hanafiyyah answered: “What was there for him to fear or have hope in me that he had to show so much humility? Should I inform you of the reality of your accusation that he used to drink wine? If I inform you, you (would realize) you are his partners. If I don’t inform you it would not be permissible for you to bear testimony on what you don’t know.” They said: “This news (of Yazeed’s evil) is true, even though we did not see him personally (carry out any of those evils).”Ibnul Hanafiyyah (R.A) responded: “Allah does not accept that from those bearing testimony.” Then he recited the verse ‘…except those who bear testimony to the truth knowingly.’ And said: “Therefore I have nothing to do with what you say.” Thereupon Ibn Mueet and his companions remarked: “Perhaps you dislike someone besides yourself to be the leader. We would make you our leader.” Ibnul Haniffiya replied: I do not regard it permissible for me to fight for what you want from me-not as a leader nor as a follower.” “But you fought with your father” They interjected. “Bring me the likes of my father so I can fight for what he fought.” Responded Yazeed. “So command your sons Abal Qasim and Qasim to fight with us.” They instructed. Yazeed responded: “If I were to command them I should fight myself.” They said: “At least support us so that people can be encouraged to fight.” Ibnul Hanafiyyah shouted: “Subhanallah! Should I command people with something I won’t do and I am not even pleased with? In that case I won’t be faithful to Allah with regards to His servants.” “In that case we’ll force you.” They threatened. Yazeed retorted “In that case I’ll command people to fear Allah and not please the creation at the cost of the anger of the Creator.” And then he left for Makkah.

These narrations show the love and respect Yazeed had for the Ahl al-bait. The family of Husain (R.A) are the ones that exonerated Yazeed from the evil’s that were attributed to him.

It is also not authentically proven that Yazeed had any thing to do with the martyrdom of Husain (R.A)

Ibn Salaah (R.A) says: “It is not authentic according to us that (Yazeed) commanded that Husain (R.A) be martyred.” (Al Khulaasa fi bayaani rayi Sheikil Islaam Ibn Taymiyyah fir Rafidha 1/151 Al Maktabah as shamillah)

The last words uttered by Yazeed were

“Oh Allah do not take me to task for what I don’t like, and I didn’t intend (i.e. the martyrdom of Husain (R.A), and judge between me and Abdullah bin Ziyaad.”

Thereafter he said

“I believe in Allah, the Glorious”
And with this he passed away. (Al Bidaya wan nihayah 11/659 Markaz ul buhooth)

And Allah knows best

Wassalam

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Unread post by stranger » Sat Aug 13, 2011 8:03 am

When at long last the caravan of prisoners of the family of Imam Hussain reached the outskirts of Damascus, a message was received by Umar Sa’ad that the prisoners were not to be brought into the capital until Yezid had completed all the preparations.

Yezid invited all the ambassadors, foreign dignitaries and leading citizens to his court. People were ordered to line up the streets. Musicians were asked to play music and dancers were told to dance in the streets. Such were the festivities organized by the Khalifah for the entry of the grandson and the grand daughters of the Holy Prophet of Islam into what had become the metropolis of the Islamic Empire !!

Surrounded by the dancers, the musicians and the jeering crowds of the citizens of Damascus the prisoners were led toward the palace of Yezid. The ladies who had never stepped outside their homes without their heads and faces being covered, had been forced to travel from Kerbala to Kufa, and Kufa to Shaam bare headed and with their arms tied with a single rope. If any one of them stumbled, she was whipped. Never in the history of Islam had prisoners been treated with disrespect, let alone the cruelty meted out to the members of the Holy Prophet’s house-hold. And now, this ultimate insult of being led into the court of Yezid like a herd of cattle!

Bibi Zainab seemed to be drawing strength from some divine source. She wiped away her tears. Drew her hair over her face so as to hide as much of her face from the staring crowds as she could. Other ladies did the same. Imaam Zain ul ‘Abideen straightened himself. Exuding dignity and confidence, he maintained his position behind the bearer of the lance upon which was mounted his father’s head. Such was the jostle of the multitude thronging the streets that it took them more than twelve hours to traverse the short distance between the city gates and the palace.

They entered the palace and were made to stand in front of Yezid. The tyrant was dressed in his best finery. Imaam Hussain’s head was formally presented to him by Umar ibne Sa’ad. Yezid, with a cup of wine in one hand, ceremoniously accepted the ultimate symbol of his victory and commanded Umar Sa’ad to call out the names of the prisoners..

And then, in his drunken arrogance, Yezid recited a few couplets which enshrine a diabolical confession, a confession that explains the history of the division in Islam and the motives not only his but of his father and grand father in accepting Islam ! He said:

“If my venerable ancestors who fell at Badr fighting Muhammad had witnessed how the supporters of Muhammad’s faith were thrown into confusion with thrusts given with my spears, they would be blessing me today. The Banu Hashim played a trick to win power. There was never any wahi to them nor did they receive any revelation. Today the souls of my ancestors and friends killed by Muhammad at Badr will rest in peace !”

YOU SEE HERE YEZID DENIED THE REVELATION - THE QURAN - WHICH EXPOSES HIS KUFR- AND STILL OUR GREAT BRETHREN AHL E SUNNAH SHY AWAY TO CALL HIM A KAAFIR.... WHY SO ?

The raison d’etre of the Umayyad dynasty was vengeance against Islam, a sanguine continuation of Uhud where Yezid’d grand-mother had been only partially successful in her determination to have Ali and Hamza killed in retaliation for the deaths of her father and brother at Badr!! Yezid never believed in Islam, and yet the system forced upon the people after the death of the Holy Prophet had resulted in this worst of all the hypocrites becoming the Khalifah of the Holy Prophet and the Ameer-ul-Mu’mineen of the ummah !!

Yezid looked at the prisoners lined up in front of him. He said: “It has pleased Allah to grant us victory! Look how He has caused the death of Hussain and humiliated his family!” He then recited an ayah of the Holy Quraan which means ‘Allah grants honour to whom He pleases and brings disgrace upon whom He pleases.’

There were over seven hundred dignitaries sitting in the Court. They smiled and nodded approvingly. Bibi Zainab could stand it no more! She was filled with wrath. How dare this unclean man say such things? How dare he with his najis tongue recite from Holy Quraan ? How dare he make mockery of the family of the Holy Prophet? In a loud and clear voice Bibi Zainab said:

“O Yezid! Do you think that it is Allah who has caused you to commit all these foul deeds? Do you blame the Rahman and the Rahim for the oppression we have suffered? Do you blame Allah for the death of the beloved grand son of his most beloved Prophet? How dare you make these false accusations against the Almighty? No, Yezid, it was not Allah! It is you, with your insatiable ambition and greed for wealth and power, who are the only cause of the suffering inflicted not only upon the household of the Holy Prophet but on Islam itself!

Do not forget what Allah has said in the Holy Book: Let not the unbelievers take it that the respite We give them would do them any good. We allow them time in order that they might continue to indulge in sin to their hearts’ content. Indeed a humiliating punishment has been kept ready for them.

Do you think that by killing the grandson of the Holy Prophet and bringing us to your palace as prisoners, you have scored a victory against Islam? No, Yezid, no ! Hussain with his blood has made sure that tyrants like you will not be able to use Islam as a toy to carry out their evil designs. The victory is not yours. The victory is of Hussain! The victory is of Islam!”

Yezid was stunned! The people present there could not but be moved by what this courageous lady had to say. This lady, who had seen and experienced great suffering, dared today defy the very man who had inflicted those sufferings. Who was she? They asked one another. When they learnt that she was the grand daughter of the Holy Prophet, their hearts began to fill with admiration!

In an effort to save the situation Yezid turned towards Imaam Zain ul ‘Abideen and said: “Well you can tell us who has been victorious. Imaam looked at him and replied:

“Yezid, final victory can only belong to those on the right path. Let us look at you and look at Hussain. My father, whom you got killed so mercilessly, was the grandson of the Holy Prophet who had said that “Hussain is from me and I am from Hussain”. He was born a Muslim and all his life he upheld the laws and principles of Islam. You are the grandson of Abu Sufiyan and Hinda, who most of their lives fought Islam and the Holy Prophet!”

Yezid was now greatly embarrassed. To silence the Imaam he asked his muezzin to recite the adhaan. When the Muezzin cried out ‘ASH-HADU ANNA MUHAMMADAR-RASOOLILLAH’ Imaam Zain ul ‘Abideen, addressing Yezid, said, “Yezid speak the truth! Was Muhammad my grandfather or your grandfather!”

Yezid ordered the prisoners to be moved to a prison. This was not a prison. It was a dungeon! Only a part of it had any sort of ceiling. The rest was open to the sky. An iron grill surrounded the place so that no one could get in or out.

Bibi Zainab reports that the place was so cold at nights that no one could have proper sleep. During the day, it got hot like an oven. It is here that our fourth Imaam, still under chains, the ladies and the children spent many days of great agony and discomfort .

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Re: Yazid : Different Views, Different Perspectives.

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Unread post by stranger » Sat Aug 13, 2011 8:10 am

If yazeed (curse be upon him) WAS innocent -

1) why did he keep the bibiyan and imam zainul abideen in prison a whole year?

2) he only ruled for 2 years. in the first year the massacre of kerbala occured, in the second he invaded mecca and Stoned The Ka'aba ?


Yazid's Army Stoned The Ka'aba

Yazid ordered the army to attack the Ka'aba in Makkah. Accordingly, Yazid's army set up their cannons and stoned the Ka'aba, because of which the curtain of the Ka'aba caught fire.

Tarikh Kamil, Vol 3, Pg. No. 464,

"To the extent that when 3 days of Rabe'e ul Awwal passed, they stoned the Ka'aba with their cannons, burnt it and started singing thus: "We have tremendous power and courage, we stone this Masjid with cannons."

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Unread post by stranger » Sat Aug 13, 2011 8:22 am

Lets analyze history.

Shimr was scolded and kicked out because after the martyrdom many groups- from all parts of his kingdom had risen up against Yezid to avenge the martyrdom of Imam Hussain . Yezid, the utter coward that he was, now tried to play a different tactic to lay the blame on others like Shimr , Ibn Ziyad in order to make himself innocent. Hence, this pretend scoldings and other stuff you read in the books.

Yazeed was pleased that Imam Husayn had been killed. The happiness being short-lived means that rebellions arose to avenge Husayn (as)'s martyrdom that threatened to destroy Yazeed's khilafat - Madina, Makka and Iraq all rose up against him, which is why he sent his army in to burn the Ka'aba and sack Madina

Yezid's own son, Moawia the second, admitted this heinous crime of Yezid,

Mu'awiya The Second's testimony that his father Yazeed killed Imam Hussain[as]

We read in Hayaath al Haywaan:

"When Yazeed was succeeded to the throne by his son Mu'awiya he said in his first sermon 'We are definite about Yazeed's wrongdoing, he killed the family of the Prophet, deemed alcohol halal, and brought pain to the Ka'aba."

This was the testimony of the succeeding khalifa, and Yazeed's own son, Mu'awiya The Second.

Yazeed's pride at killing Imam Hussain[as]

We read in al Bidayah Volume 8 page 204:

"Ibn Asakir, writing on Yazeed, states then when Husayn's head was brought before Yazeed, he recited the couplets of Ibn Zubayri the kaafir 'I wish my ancestors of Badr were hear to see the severed head of the rebellious tribe [The Prophet (saws's tribe of Hashim]."

Yazeed ordered his Governor Waleed kill Imam Hussain[as]

We read in Maqathil Husayn:

"Yazeed wrote a letter to Waleed the Governor of Medina, in which he stated 'Force Husayn to give bayya. Should he refuse then strike off his head and return it to me.'

The following reputable texts of Ahl'ul Sunnah, that confirm that Yazeed killed Imam Husayn :

1. Maqathil Husayn al Khuwarzmee Volume 2 page 80 Chapter 9
2. Ya Nabi al Mawadath page 223 Chapter 91
3. Tareekh al Yaqoobi Volume 2 page 299 Dhikr Yazeed
4. Mtallib al Saul Volume 2 page 26
5. Nur al Absar page 139
6. Al Bidayah wa al Nihaya page 219 Dhikr 63 Hijri
7. Tareekh Kamil Volume 4 page 69
8. Tareekh Tabari page 408 Dhikr Ibn Ziyad
9. Akhbar al Tiwal page 384
10. Tadkira Khawwas page 159
11. Hayaath al Haywaan Volume 1 page 88
12. Tareekh Khamees Volume 2 page 301
13. Sawaiqh al Muhriqa page 134
14. Sharh Fiqh Akbar page 73
15. Taufa Ithna Ashari page 6 Volume1
16. Izalath Ayn page 368
17. Ash Shiaath al Lamaath Volume 4 page 623 Bab Manaqib Quraysh
18. Shazarath al Dhahab Volume 1 page 69 Dhikr 61 Hijri
19. Murujh al DhahabVolume 3 page 71 Dhikr Yazeed
20. Tafseer Mazhari Volume 5 page 21 Part 13 Surah Ibrahim
21. Aqaid al Islam pahe 232 ny Maulana Abdul Haqq Haqani
22. Imam Pak aur Yazeed Palaeeth page 88
23. Aqaid Nafsee page 113
24. Sharh Muqassad Volume 2 page 309
25. Nuzul al Ibrar page 97
26. Irfan Shariath Volume 2 page 21
27. Fatawi Maulana Abdul Hai page 79
28. Shaheed ai Kerbala pages 11-12 by Mufti Muhammad Shaafi
29. Irshad al Sari (Sharh Bukhari) Volume 10 page 1717 Bab ul Fitan
30. Durre Maarif Volume 4 page 295 Dikr Zeyneb binte 'Ali
31. Sharh al Muneer Sharh al Sagheer Volume 1 page80


We read in Irfan ai Shariath:

"Yazeed tore away a piece of Rasulullah's heart, starving him for three days and then killing him, together with his companions and then he ordered horses to trample his body after his martyrdom, his body was ripped to shreds. Hi head was then placed on a spear, this was a head that Rasulullah (s) would kiss. The head was exhibited at various places, people of the household were arrested and brought before the wicked Yazeed, cursed is he who does not deem such acts as atrocious".

Ibn Ziyad's own admission that he killed Imam Husayn on the orders of Yazeed :

We read in al Bidayah:

"When Yazeed wrote to Ibn Ziyad ordering him to fight Ibn Zubayr in Makka, he said 'I can't obey this fasiq. I killed the grandson of Rasulullah (s) upon his orders, I'm not now going to assault the Kaaba'.

Interesting also to note the fact that Azam Tariq says that Yazeed blamed Ibn Ziyad (his governor in Kufa at the time of the Battle of Karbala) for the killing of Husayn . Yet we see here the fact that Ibn Ziyad twp years AFTER Karbala is still in a position of authority in Yazeed's government and army. Had Yazeed sincerely wept for Husayn then he would have dismissed and executed Ibn Ziyad for genocide.

Indeed Yazeed kept Ibn Ziyad in a position of authority in Yazeed's government, and indeed Ibn Ziyad outlived Yazeed, till Shia rebels killed him during the insurrection of Al Mukhtar to avenge the blood of Imam Husayn .

Testimony of Ibn Abbas that Yazeed killed Imam Hussain[as]

We read in Tareekh Kamil:
Ibn Abbas replied to a letter of Yazeed stating 'You killed Husayn ibn 'Ali as well as the youth from Banu Abdul Muttalib, who were beacons of guidance."

The testimony of Abdullah Ibn Umar that Yazeed killed Imam Hussain[as]

We read in Maqathil al Husayn:
Ibn Umar wrote to Yazeed, 'Hasn't your heart gone black yet? You murdered the family of the Prophet?'

The Nasibis want to drag the Muslims to hell to face the charge of taking to their heart the man who hurt Muhammad (saws)'s soul more than any other.

Yazeed's own admission that he killed the family of the Prophet (s)

We read in Sharh Fiqh Akbar:

"Following the murder of Husayn, Yazeed said 'I avenged the killing of my kaafir relatives in Badr through killing the family of the Prophet".

The testimony of Shah Abdul Aziz that Yazeed killed Imam Hussain[as]

We read in Taufa

"Upon the orders of Yazeed the disgraceful people from Syria and Iraq killed Imam Husayn".

The testimony of Shah Abdul Haqq that Yazeed killed Imam Hussain[as]

We read in Ashiath al Lamaath:

"It is unusual that some say Yazeed did not kill Husayn when he instructed Ibn Ziyad to carry out the killing".

Yazeed's pride at killing Imam Hussain[as]

We read in al Bidayah Volume 8 page 204:

"Ibn Asakir, writing on Yazeed, states then when Husayn's head was brought before Yazeed, he recited the couplets of Ibn Zubayri the kaafir 'I wish my ancestors of Badr were hear to see the severed head of the rebellious tribe [The Prophet (saws's tribe of Hashim]."

When it is clearly established from the texts that not only was Yazeed content with the death of Imam Husayn he recited a couplet that he had avenged the deaths of his kaafir ancestors, by the killing of Imam Husayn - can this poetry be deemed to be a couplet of unhappiness of the part of Yezid ????? (may Allah's lanat befall him forever)

The testimony of Abdullah Ibn Umar that Yazeed killed Imam Hussain[as]

We read in Maqathil al Husayn:
Ibn Umar wrote to Yazeed, 'Hasn't your heart gone black yet? You murdered the family of the Prophet?'

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Unread post by stranger » Sat Aug 13, 2011 8:26 am

Waiting for yazid's (cbuh) lovers to come forward and defend him.

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Unread post by asif786 » Sat Aug 13, 2011 6:16 pm

stranger wrote:Waiting for yazid's (cbuh) lovers to come forward and defend him.
Br Stranger

Jazakallah

Shame on you GM for posting this article .

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Unread post by asif786 » Sat Aug 13, 2011 6:21 pm

The following are some of the opinions of the scholars who held Yazeed bin Mu’awiya in contempt.

1. Hafiz Ibn Kathir’s comments on Yazeed:

Ibn Kathir himself writes in the famous ‘Al Bidayah’:

‘Traditions inform us that Yazeed loved worldly vices, would drink, listen to kept the company of boys with no facial hair [civil expression for pedophilia boys, a form of homosexuality], played drums, kept dogs [civil expression for bestiality], not a day would go by when he was not in a drunken state.’

2. Ibn Katheer in Al Bidayah Volume 8 page 222 stated:

‘Muslim was ordered to ransack Medina for three days. Yazeed committed a major sin. Sahaba and their children were slaughtered openly; other heinous acts were also perpetuated. We have already mentioned that he had Ibn Ziyad kill the grandson of Rasulullah (s) Husayn and his companions. In those three days in Madina, it is difficult to mention the type of acts that were carried out. By doing this act Yazeed wanted to secure his governance, in the same way Allah (swt) broke the neck of every Pharoah, the true King (swt) also broke the neck of Yazeed.’

3. One who attacks Medina is cursed

We read in al Bidaya Volume 8 page 223: ‘Rasulullah (s) said whoever perpetuated injustice and frightened the residents of Medina, the curse (la’nat) of Allah (swt), His Angels and all people is on such a person’

4. Ibn Atheer’s comments on Yazeed

In Tareekh al Kamil Volume 3 page 450 Ibn Atheer narrates from Munzir bin Zabeer: ‘Verily Yazeed rewarded me with 100,000 dirhams but this cannot stop me from highlighting his state, By Allah he is a drunkard…’

5.
Ibn Atheer’s comments on Yazeed

In ‘Siyar A’lam Al-Nubala’ Volume 4 pages 37-38, Dhahabi narrates: ‘Ziyad Hurshee narrates ‘Yazeed gave me alcohol to drink, I had never drunk alcohol like that before and I enquired where he had obtained its ingredients’. Yazeed replied ‘it is made of sweet pomegranate, honey from Isfahan, sugar from Hawaz and grapes from Burdah…Yazeed indulged in alcohol and would participate in actions that opposed the dictates set by Allah (swt).’

6. Ibn Jauzi’s comments on Yazeed ‘the drunkard’

Ibn Jauzi in Wafa al-Wafa: ‘Yazeed appointed his cousin Uthman bin Muhammad bin Abu Sufyan as Governor of Madina. He sent a delegation to visit Yazeed who bore gifts so that they might take the oath of allegiance to him. Upon their return they said ‘We have returned having visited a man who has no religion, he drinks, plays instruments, keeps the company of singers and dogs [civil word for bestiality], we declare that we have broken our allegiance to him. Abdullah bin Abi Umro bin Hafs Mukhzumee commented ‘Yazeed gave me gifts. But the reality is this man is an enemy of Allah (SWT) and a drunkard. I shall separate myself from him in the same way that I remove my turban [from my head]….’

7. Ibn Hajr’s comments on Yazeed

In Sawaiqh al Muhriqa: ‘One group have deemed Yazeed to be a kaafir, another has stated he was a Muslim but a fasiq (transgressor), a fajir (one that commits debauchery) and a drunkard. There is consensus over his fisq (transgression). One party of Ulema have stated that you can curse him by name, this includes individuals such as Ibn Jauzi and Ahmad. One group made up of individuals such as Ibn Jauzi deem Yazeed a kaafir, others say he was not a kaafir but rather this is a matter that has caused a difference of opinion.

The majority of Ahl’ul Sunnah all agree that he was a fasiq (transgressor), a fajir (one that commits debauchery) and a drunkard. Waqidi had recorded a narration ‘Verily we opposed Yazeed fearing Allah (swt) would reign stones down on us, Yazeed considered nikah (marriage) with mothers and sisters to be permissible and drank alcohol.’

‘Dhahabi narrates that when Abdullah bin Kuzai returned from Damascus he stated that Yazeed performs zina with his mother, sister and daughters. We had better start a movement to oppose Yazeed otherwise stones may reign down on us’

This is one reason why Ibn Hajar al Makki calls Yazeed one of the most debased men in history.

8. Muhaddith Shah Abdul Aziz’s comments on Yazeed

In ‘Sirush Shahadhathayn’, Shah Abdul Aziz, the great Muhadith states: ’Imam Husayn did not give baiah to Yazeed because he was a drunkard, a fasiq and Dhaalim.’

9. Ibn Taymeeya’s condemnation of unjust Yazeed

Ibn Taymeeya in Minhajj: ‘Yazeed had the sword and hence he had the power to deal with anyone that opposed him. He had the power to reward his subjects with the contents of the treasury, and could also withhold their rights. He had the power to punish criminals; it is in this context that we can understand that he was the khalifah and king. Issues such as Yazeed’s piety or lack of it, or his honesty or lack of it, is another matter. In all of his actions Yazeed was not just, there is no dispute amongst the people of Islam on this matter.’

10. The World reknown Muslim Historian Ibn Khaldun states:

‘Yazeed’s time of governance can be seen as fisq and debauchery, and the blame is on Mu’awiya who should have controlled him.’

11. We read in Tareekh Kamil:

‘The narrator states ‘By Allah, Yazeed drinks alcohol and abandons Salat’

12. We read in Tareekh Abul Fida:

‘Yazeed played the tambourine, drank alcohol and raised bears [civil expression for bestiality].’

13. Hayaath al Haywaan states:

‘Yazeed would hunt with cheetas, play chess and drink alcohol.’

14. People opposed Yazeed due to his atrocious deeds

We read in Tareekh Khamees: ‘The people of Medina broke the baiah to Yazeed on account of his bad acts, he used to drink alcohol’

15. The Famous Hanifa scholar Qadi Thanaullah’s comments on Yazeed’s kufr poetry

We read in most famous Tafseer Al- Mazhari: ‘Yazeed deemed drinking alcohol to be Halaal, and he recited these couplets ‘if the Deen of Ahmad deems alcohol to be haraam…’

16. Shariat Muhammad Majid ‘Ali Shakir stated in Badh Shariat:

‘Some say ‘Why should we discuss such a thing since he [Yazeed] was a King and he [Husayn] was also a King’ – one who makes such comments {refusing to hold opinion on Yazeed and Husayn (R)] is accursed, a Kharijee, Nasibi and hell bound. The dispute is over whether he [Yazeed] was a kaafir. The madhab of Abu Hanifa stipulates that he was a fasiq and fajir, nor was he a kaafir nor a Muslim.’

17. Yazeed’s attack on Harra

We read in ‘au khanar al masalik’ that Shaykh al Hadith Mawlana Muhammad Zakaria stated:
‘The army that Yazeed had sent to Medina comprised of 60,000 horsemen and 15,000 foot soldiers. For three days they shed blood freely, 1000 women were raped and 700 from the Quraysh and Ansar were killed. Ten thousand women and children were made slaves. Muslim bin Uqba forced people to give bayya to Yazeed in such a manner that people were enslaved and Yazeed could sell them as he pleased, no Sahaba who were [with the Prophet (saws)] at Hudaibiya were spared.’ All the Badr Sahaba were killed in this battle.

18. Yazeeds rejection of the Qur’an

Citing Tadhkira, Maqathil and Shazarath al Dhabah. This is also found in the Arabic (non-Leiden) version of the History of Al-Tabari: When the head of Husayn (R), the grandson of the Holy Prophet (saws), was presented before Yazeed he recited the couplets of the kaafir Zubayri:

‘Banu Hashim staged a play for Kingdom there was no news from the skies neither was there any revelation’

19. Imam Alusi In Tafseer Ruh al Maani it is stated clearly:

‘Allamah Alusi stated, Yazeed the impure denied the Prophethood of Rasulullah (s). The treatment that he meted out to the people of Makka, Medina and the family of the Prophet proves that he was a kaafir.’

Point references:

Al Bidayah wa al Nihayah Volume 8 page 204 Dhikr Ras al Husayn
Minhaj al Sunnah Volume 2 page 249 Dhikr Yazeed
Sharh Foqh Akbar page 73 Dhikr Yazeed
Sharh Tafseer Mazhari Volume 5 page 21 Surah Ibrahim
Shazrah al Dhahab page 69 Dhikr Shahadth Husayn
Maqatahil Husayn Volume 2 page 58 Dhikr Shahdath Husayn
Tadhkira Khawwas page 148
Tareekh Tabari Volume 11 pages 21-23 Dhikr 284 Hijri
Tafseer Ruh al Ma’ani (commentary of Surah Muhammad)
Ibn Kathir in al Bidaya wa al Nihaya Volume 8 page 231 narrates this hadith on the authority of
20. Yazeed’s own admission that he killed the family of the Prophet (saws)

We read in Sharh Fiqh Akbar: ‘Following the murder of Husayn, Yazeed said ‘I avenged the killing of my kaafir relatives in Badr through killing the family of the Prophet.’

21. The testimony of Shah Abdul Aziz that Yazeed killed Imam Hussain [R]

We read in Taufa: ‘Upon the orders of Yazeed the disgraceful people from Syria and Iraq killed Imam Husayn.’

22. Yazeed ordered his Governor Waleed to kill Imam Hussain (R)

We read in Maqathil Husayn: ‘Yazeed wrote a letter to Waleed the Governor of Medina, in which he stated ‘Force Husayn to give bayya. Should he refuse then strike off his head and return it to me.’

23. Yazeed wrote to Ibn Ziyad telling him to kill Imam Hussain (R)

We read in Mutaalib al Saul that: ‘Ibn Ziyad wrote to Husayn ‘I have received information that you have arrived in Kerbala, and Yazeed has told me not to kill you, provided you accept his authority and mine.”

24. Ibn Ziyad’s own admission that he killed Imam Husayn on the orders of Yazeed

We read in al Bidayah: ‘When Yazeed wrote to Ibn Ziyad ordering him to fight Ibn Zubayr in Makka, he said ‘I can’t obey this fasiq. I killed the grandson of Rasulullah (sawas) upon his orders, I’m not now going to assault the Kaaba’.

25. Testimony of Ibn Abbas that Yazeed killed Imam Hussain (R)

We read in Tareekh Kamil: Ibn Abbas replied to a letter of Yazeed stating ‘You killed Husayn ibn ‘Ali as well as the youth from Banu Abdul Muttalib, who were beacons of guidance.’

26. The testimony of Abdullah Ibn Umar that Yazeed killed Imam Hussain (R)

We read in Maqathil al Husayn: ‘Ibn Umar wrote to Yazeed, ‘Hasn’t your heart gone black yet? You murdered the family of the Prophet?’

27. The testimony of Shah Abdul Haqq that Yazeed killed Imam Hussain (R)

We read in Ashiath al Lamaath: ‘It is unusual that some say Yazeed did not kill Husayn when he instructed Ibn Ziyad to carry out the killing.’

28. Yazeed’s pride at killing Imam Hussain (as)

We read in al Bidayah Volume 8 page 204: ‘Ibn Asakir, writing on Yazeed, states then when Husayn’s head was brought before Yazeed, he recited the couplets of Ibn Zubayri the kaafir ‘I wish my ancestors of Badr were hear to see the severed head of the rebellious tribe (The Prophet (saws’s tribe of Hashim).’

Imam Jalaladun Suyuti (ra) records this tradition in Khasais al Kubra, on the authority of Sahaba Uns bin Harith: ‘I heard Rasulullah (sawas) say ‘Verily my son (Husayn) will be killed in a land called Kerbala, whoever amongst you is alive at that time must go and help him.’
Khasais al Kubra Volume 2 page 125 (Maktaba Nurree Rizvi Publishers, Pakistan)

29. Yazeeds own words noted in Sharh Fiqh Akbar:

‘Following the murder of Husayn, Yazeed said: ‘I avenged the killing of my kaafir relatives in Badr through killing the family of the Prophet.’

30. The Fatwa of Allamah Baghdadi – Yazeed denied the Prophethood, to curse him is an act of Ibadah

We read in Tafseer Ruh al Ma’ani page 72 commentary of Surah Muhammad: ‘The wicked Yazeed failed to testify to the Prophethood of Hadhrath Muhammad (sawas). He also perpetrated acts against the residents of Makka, Medina and the family of the Prophet (sawas). He indulged in these acts against them during their lives and after their deaths. These acts are so conclusively proven that had he placed the Qur’an in his hands it would have testified to his kuffar. His being a fasiq and fajir did not go unnoticed by the Ulema of Islam, but the Salaf had no choice but to remain silent as they were living under threat.’

31. The Fatwas of Qadhi Abu Ya’ala and Abu Husayn deeming it permissible to curse Yazeed

Ibn Katheer in al Bidaya stated: ‘Whoever frightens Medina incurs the wrath of Allah, His Angels and all the people – and some Ulema have deemed it permissible to curse Yazeed. This includes individuals such as Ahmad ibn Hanbal, Allamah Hilalee, Abu Bakr Abdul Aziz, Qadhi Abu Ya’ala and his son Qadhi Abu Husayn. Ibn Jauzi wrote a book deeming it permissible to curse Yazeed.’

32.
Al Suyuti personally cursed Yazeed

In Tareekh ul Khulafa page 207, Dhikr Shahadath Husayn we read as follows:
‘May Allah’s curse be upon the killers of Husayn and Ibn Ziyad.’

33. Qadhi Thanaullah Panee Pathee deemed it permissible to curse the kaafir Yazeed

We read in Tafseer Mazhari Volume 5 page 21, under the commentary of Surah Ibrahim verse 28 as follows: ‘The Banu Umayya were initially kaafir, then some of them presented themselves as Muslim. Yazeed then became a kaafir. The Banu Umayya maintained their enmity towards the family of the Prophet (sawas), and killed Husayn in a cruel manner. The kaafir Yazeed committed kufr in relation to the Deen of Muhammad (sawas) proven by the fact that at the time of the killing of Husayn he made a pointed reference to avenging the deaths of his kaafir ancestors slain in Badr. He acted against the family of Muhammad (sawas), Banu Hashim and in his drunken state he praised the Banu Umayya and cursed the Banu Hashim from the pulpit.’

34. Allamah Alusi set out the viewpoint of the Shaafi Ulema on this topic as follows

Haseeya Nabraas page 551: ‘Amongst the Shaafi’s we are in agreement that it is permissible to curse Yazeed’

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Unread post by anajmi » Sat Aug 13, 2011 6:39 pm

‘Dhahabi narrates that when Abdullah bin Kuzai returned from Damascus he stated that Yazeed performs zina with his mother, sister and daughters. We had better start a movement to oppose Yazeed otherwise stones may reign down on us’
This seems like nothing more than sensational fictional writing. Unfortunately, such writings throw doubts on everything else that has been written.

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sat Aug 13, 2011 6:56 pm

asif786 wrote:Shame on you GM for posting this article .
Why is it "shameful" for posting the article ? Is it not everyones prerogative to know as to what goes on around the world and to access views of different groups ? There are countless sites which are anti-islamic and which use filthy language with regard to even our Prophet (s.a.w.), so what can one do to stop that nonsense, can one block those sites ? The only constructive thing to do is to counter their arguments and prove them wrong. Yazid is hated by every right minded person irrespective of cast and creed but there are some who even defend him, in fact there is a "Yazidi sect" in Iraq which boasts of almost 35,000 followers so what has the present "shia" regime done to counter them ? The shias shout on top of their voice to prove their loyalty to Imam Hussain (a.s.) and even persecute the bahai community in Iran as according to them they are anti-muslims but here in Iraq they are just numb.

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Unread post by stranger » Sat Aug 13, 2011 7:04 pm

Here comes the 1st defence.
Anything which praise the pious character of Panjatan (A.S.) and shows the true face of tyrants looks fictional to you and your Hero Zakir Naik, who refers laanati yazid as (R.A.)

Awaiting bro labbaik's comment. :lol:

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Unread post by anajmi » Sat Aug 13, 2011 7:20 pm

stranger,

Sometime back you quoted some stuff from Ibn Katheer and I pointed it out to be false. Didn't you say that you were going to look into all the other evidence that you had provided for validity? Did you do that?

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Unread post by student » Sun Aug 14, 2011 12:15 am

stranger wrote:Here comes the 1st defence.
Anything which praise the pious character of Panjatan (A.S.) and shows the true face of tyrants looks fictional to you and your Hero Zakir Naik, who refers laanati yazid as (R.A.)

there is nothing to comment on these yazid lovers,they them self proving that their birth is out come of adultery.

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Unread post by anajmi » Sun Aug 14, 2011 12:26 am

Fortunately, our zabaan is no match for the dirty zabaan of hussain lovers.

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Unread post by stranger » Sun Aug 14, 2011 1:56 am

So ??? If i couldn't then would you impose ban on me. :lol:
However, I appreciate ur efforts in order to defend ur beloved :wink:

between,
Sometime hear d zabaan use by ur adorable kids and women. :mrgreen:

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Unread post by asif786 » Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:52 am

ghulam muhammed wrote:
asif786 wrote:Shame on you GM for posting this article .
Why is it "shameful" for posting the article ? Is it not everyones prerogative to know as to what goes on around the world and to access views of different groups ? There are countless sites which are anti-islamic and which use filthy language with regard to even our Prophet (s.a.w.), so what can one do to stop that nonsense, can one block those sites ? The only constructive thing to do is to counter their arguments and prove them wrong. Yazid is hated by every right minded person irrespective of cast and creed but there are some who even defend him, in fact there is a "Yazidi sect" in Iraq which boasts of almost 35,000 followers so what has the present "shia" regime done to counter them ? The shias shout on top of their voice to prove their loyalty to Imam Hussain (a.s.) and even persecute the bahai community in Iran as according to them they are anti-muslims but here in Iraq they are just numb.
Defending a Cruel , Wicked and Fasiq khalifa like Yazid ibn Muwaiya (LA) who has
Martyred the Leader of the Youth of the Paradise Imam Husain(A.S.) and his family and companions in that tragic state.
Killing and raping thousands of Residents of Madina and Desecrating Masjid Nabavi
Setting Ablaze and Damaging Holy Kaaba
Prophet Mohammed saw is definitely a shameful act for any muslim .

Yazidi sect in Iraq is not the followers of Yazid bin Muwaiwah la

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yazidi

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Unread post by anajmi » Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:11 am

stranger wrote:So ??? If i couldn't then would you impose ban on me. :lol:
However, I appreciate ur efforts in order to defend ur beloved :wink:

between,
Sometime hear d zabaan use by ur adorable kids and women. :mrgreen:
stranger,

I just thought that people who profess the love of ahlul bait would atleast try to behave like them and not like filthy yazidis. But unfortunately, the two of you have demonstrated that you claim to be followers of ahlul bait but in deeds you are actually like yazid. You abuse mothers and fathers and then when questioned you say - "So???". Well done. Thank you for showing us who the real followers of Yazid are.

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Unread post by SBM » Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:12 am

postby stranger on Sat Aug 13, 2011 11:04 pm
Here comes the 1st defence.
Anything which praise the pious character of Panjatan (A.S.) and shows the true face of tyrants looks fictional to you and your Hero Zakir Naik, who refers laanati yazid as (R.A.)

[quote]Awaiting bro labbaik's comment.[/color] :lol:

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by student on Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:15 am

stranger wrote:Here comes the 1st defence.
Anything which praise the pious character of Panjatan (A.S.) and shows the true face of tyrants looks fictional to you and your Hero Zakir Naik, who refers laanati yazid as (R.A.)




there is nothing to comment on these yazid lovers,they them self proving that their birth is out come of adultery.

SO IT IS PROVED BEYOND DOUBT THAT STUDENT AND LABBAYAK ARE SAME

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Unread post by stranger » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:30 am

anajmi wrote:
stranger,
I just thought that people who profess the love of ahlul bait would atleast try to behave like them and not like filthy yazidis. But unfortunately, the two of you have demonstrated that you claim to be followers of ahlul bait but in deeds you are actually like yazid. You abuse mothers and fathers and then when questioned you say - "So???". Well done. Thank you for showing us who the real followers of Yazid are.
First of all, I said [ ''So ??? If i couldn't then would you impose ban on me'' ] in reference to ur comment about Ibn Katheer. .Please check the whole sentence out.
and
Second : Show me a single comment or post where i have abused anyone's mother/father.
and
Third : If you want then i can show you many comments of your's. (abusing others mother and father).

As i always says, One should look into own's collar before criticising other.

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Unread post by stranger » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:35 am

omabharti wrote: SO IT IS PROVED BEYOND DOUBT THAT STUDENT AND LABBAYAK ARE SAME
Br Oma,
It does not proves anything . .I called Labbaik but Student responded to it. Many a times it happened on the forum that we have asked somebody to reply but someone's else responded in between. :wink:

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Unread post by anajmi » Sun Aug 14, 2011 12:15 pm

First of all, I said [ ''So ??? If i couldn't then would you impose ban on me'' ] in reference to ur comment about Ibn Katheer. .Please check the whole sentence out.
Thank you for clarifying that you cannot validate anything that you post and when someone tells you that posting without validating is like making false claims you will say "So ???".

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Unread post by stranger » Sun Aug 14, 2011 2:11 pm

anajmi wrote:
First of all, I said [ ''So ??? If i couldn't then would you impose ban on me'' ] in reference to ur comment about Ibn Katheer. .Please check the whole sentence out.
Thank you for clarifying that you cannot validate anything that you post and when someone tells you that posting without validating is like making false claims you will say "So ???".
Anajmi,
You missed to reply on my point no. second and third ? anyway, it was expected as such :P

Between, you wrote :-
stranger,
You abuse mothers and fathers
Now, would you care to validate your above claim.

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Unread post by anajmi » Sun Aug 14, 2011 2:38 pm

Sure. You and your fellow abde, whose thread was deleted and hopefully has been banned, claimed that progs are born out of adultery. Hence, you are abusing mothers and fathers. Seriously, was that so difficult to understand?

Now, going back to my first point, I have shown, more than once, that you cannot validate any of your claims. Hence you should not be trusted with anything you say.

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Unread post by stranger » Sun Aug 14, 2011 3:38 pm

Hahahaha. . . You looser. . .The Thread was Proof of ur abusing language againts student's mother-father, Not mine againts anyone.
Its OK if its deleted Now. . the members on this forum have already read it. .
AND If you are generalising that whatever student said is said by me then I've got lot of thing to Generalise, You know what i mean :mrgreen:
you cannot validate any of your claims.
Any ? ?
You show it 1 time or 10 time, It remain a one not ''any'' & ''many''. However I was Honest enough to accept it very first time that i have not got it yet.

Now, Please validate your claim that I abused other peoples mothers/Fathers like you did. :roll:

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Unread post by anajmi » Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:32 pm

However I was Honest enough to accept it very first time that i have not got it yet.
So you are honest enough to accept that you cannot validate your claims? So in other words, you are honest enough to accept that you are dishonest?

Also if you agree that whatever student has said about prog's parents is not right and that he is wrong, then I will accept that you are not abusing other people's mothers and fathers.

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Unread post by stranger » Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:39 pm

Yes. .i m honest enf to accept that i couldn't provide the exact text to one of the reference i qouted earlier.

wrt to student's comment, i m not responsible for any of the statement made by any of the forum member. Nor i am liable to answer you that why blah blah person said so and so.

Now stop throwing balls here and there like a joker and play it straight. .
Since you have claimed at first place then Prove your point that i abused other member's mother/father.
Quote any statement or post made by ME, not student or anybody else. .you looser.
:mrgreen:

you said all the bad words to student's parents openly and excusing me of abusing.

Ulta chor kotwal ko daante.
:mrgreen:

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Unread post by anajmi » Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:23 am

So after beating around the bush, you agree with what student has said, right?

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Unread post by stranger » Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:32 am

I'm ending the conversation on the Note that you got failed to prove your claim and at the same time you are dishonest enough to not accept the same. .Anyway, not your fault. :lol: you also cant help it. :mrgreen:

Allah Hafiz !!!

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Unread post by anajmi » Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:52 am

So we agree that you are a coward who cannot even accept what he himself believes in on an anonymous board? All you had to do is say that you do not agree with student, but you failed to do that. Hence the conclusion is that you have also insulted mothers and fathers of progs.

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Unread post by stranger » Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:29 pm

hahaha. .now I got ur motive, Gosh, thru out the world you all will remain the same.. :lol:
Playing with words and skillfully trying to decieve fellow prog members to believe that i have malice towards them.
I can very get well agreed n accept on what i believe. And i have shared it several times too. .It just that you are a piece of shitt, to whom i m not liable for any kind of clarification.

Shitty, an open challange to u. show me a single comment till date where i have used such a dirty or abusive language againts any prog member or even in general againts all reformists , which u have used againts student in these holy month of ramadan.

Now Get lost and Come back when you'll be able to validate your claim.

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Unread post by stranger » Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:36 pm

hahaha. .now I got ur motive, Gosh, thru out the world you all will remain the same.. :lol:
Playing with words and skillfully trying to decieve fellow prog members to believe that i have malice towards them.
I can very get well agreed n accept on what i believe. And i have shared it several times too. .It just that you are a piece of shitt, to whom i m not liable for any kind of clarification.

Shitty, an open challange to u. show me a single comment till date where i have used such a dirty or abusive language againts any prog member or even in general againts all reformists , which u have used againts student in these holy month of ramadan.

Now Get lost and Come back when you'll be able to validate your claim.