Alawi bohras

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ozmujaheed
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Alawi bohras

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Unread post by ozmujaheed » Mon Nov 28, 2011 6:34 am

I found this article on the web, if it is true we should apologize and rectify

 
Innallaaha la Yohibbo man kaana Mukhtaalan Fakhoora: Indeed Allaah does not like any arrogant braggart (who talks immodestly or with excessive pride about himself)

   
 
Every history is marked with good and bad memories. One such pathetic and unfortunate event that occurred in the history of Alavi Bohras, which has left deep scars in the hearts of mumineen, was the one which took place on the ill-fated day 10-11-1416 AH/29-3-1996 AD in Saraspur Qabrastan, Ahmedabad. The cemetery manager ordered the demolition of the holy grave (qabr-e-mubaarak) of 30th Alavi Da’i Saiyedna Abd ut-Taiyeb Zakiyuddin (d. 1047 AH/1638 AD), the son of 28th Da’i-e-Mutlaq Saiyedna Shaikh Aadam Safiyuddin (aq) in the pretext of constructing the new mausoleum. Several rounds of talks with the cemetery authorities and their higher-ups resulted in giving guarantee of constructing the grave afresh on the same place.  These talks were full of deceit and shrewdness.  Once again on 7-4-1417 AH/21-8-1996 AD they exhibited their unending cruelty and hatred by demolishing the grave of 29th Alavi Da’i Saiyedna Ali Shamsuddin Shaheed (aq), the son of S. Ibraheem and the grandson of Saiyedna Shaikh Aadam Safiyuddin Saheb (aq) – the 28th Da’i-e-Mutlaq. Saiyedna Ali Shamsuddin Shaheed (aq) is the most eminent and distinguished Da’i (missionary) because Alavi Bohras derive their name from him.

The succession of Du’aat of Alavi Bohras is established on the truthfulness, loyalty and bravery of Saiyedna Ali Shamsuddin Shaheed (aq) who sacrificed his life in the way of Allaah. He guarded ad-Da’wat ul-Haadiyah (rightly guided mission) and showed the path of Paradise to the believers.  Atrociousness and inhumanity of the cemetery management did not stop at this event. To extinguish the fire of protest and dissent which rose after these cruel episodes, the higher authorities of Dawoodi community gave assurance to consider the matter and resolve it as soon as possible by reconstructing the graves of Alavi Da’is. But that was all patch-up work done by them and nothing concrete has been done until now.  Alavi authorities never lose an opportunity to remind their Dawoodi counterparts about this pending demand to restructure and restore the graves.  Rampant corruption and partiality has eclipsed the process of getting justice from the local reinforcement agencies and the court of law.

Prophet Mohammad Rasoolullaah (saws) has said that ‘Place between my grave and my pulpit is one of the gardens of Paradise (Jannat).’  The grave of Rasoolullaah (saws), here, means the time after his death and the pulpit means the time of the Day of Judgement (Qayaamat) when Imaam Qaa’im (as), the last imaam from the progeny of Rasoolullaah (saws) will reveal himself (do the Zuhoor). The place between the grave and the pulpit means the Prophet’s vicegerent (wasi), vicegerent’s progeny (imaam) and the progeny’s representative (da’i), who by the divine appointment (nass) guards and promulgates the Deen of Allaah in truthful and legible way. Hence the Da’i for the mumineen is the door to Paradise and the grave of the Da’i is the mortal remains where the believers come for spiritual shelter and salvation i.e. to take Barakaat of Ziyaarat.

One cannot imagine what fate Allaah Ta’aala will bring to the people who demolished the graves of Alavi Du’aat with whom thousands of faithful’s hearts and their sentiments are attached? Hence, Alavis feel that by demolishing the grave of their da’i, some mischievous elements have unsuccessfully targeted their very foundation.  Alavis still visit (do the ziyaarat) the same place in the mausoleum where the demolished graves of Da’is once stood.  If at all the culprits think that Alavis will forget graves of their Du’aat then it is a serious mistake on their part because removing the graves will not remove the remembrance and sacrifice of the People of Allaah (da’is) from the memory and hearts and this will remain perpetual as the reality has been noted down in the religious treatises (deeni Saheefah) that has been taught right from the beginning in religious school (deeni madrasah) to the children.

The main purpose of demolition of the graves was to remove the signs of spiritual attachment of Alavis from the Bohra cemetery. This mean task was carried out on the behest of some envious anti-Alavi elements in the Da’wat hierarchy of Dawoodis.  The fact behind the hatred and jealousy exhibited by Dawoodis is that both the Alavi da’is, 29th Da’i-e-Mutlaq Saiyedna Ali, the grandson of 28th Da’i-e-Mutlaq and 30th Da’i-e-Mutlaq Saiyedna Zakiyuddin saheb, the son of 28th Da’i-e-Mutlaq have been buried there since 4 centuries besides the grave of 28th Da’i-e-Mutlaq Saiyedna Shaikh Aadam Safiyuddin and all the graves of three Alavi Da’is are in a single mausoleum (mazaar).  This is the most concrete and existential proof and a factual account that favors the truthful appointment of Saiyedna Ali Shamsuddin Shaheed (aq) as the 29th Da’i-e-Mutlaq by his grandfather 28th Da’i-e-Mutlaq Saiyedna Shaikh Aadam Safiyuddin Saheb (aq) – who is a common Da’i of Alavi and Dawoodis.

Interestingly, before demolition, when any Dawoodi Bohra visitor used to come (do ziyaarat) to the mausoleum of Saiyedna Shaikh Aadam Safiyuddin Saheb (aq), unknowingly, they also did the ziyaarat of 29th and 30th Alavi Da’is. Hence it was very difficult for the Dawoodi authorities to explain their people the cause of the presence of graves of two Alavi Da’is besides the 28th Da’i in the same mausoleum, as they don’t believe in the succession of 29th and 30th Alavi da’is. Since the mausoleum of Saiyedna Shaikh Aadam Safiyuddin Saheb (as) is the place of visit of three Da’is (28th, 29th and 30th) of Alavis, they deserve the possession of the place more than anyone else.  To uproot the foundation of this confusion a well planned conspiracy was hatched to demolish the two graves of Alavi Da’is in the mausoleum.  Some years back, Sulaymaanis won the case of acquiring the land of the same graveyard where their Da’i is buried in a separate mausoleum. The Saraspur Qabrastan (graveyard) is the only place in India where all three Bohra communities (Alavi, Dawoodi and Sulaymaani) visit and pay respect to their respective da’is who were buried between the period of 975-1050 AH/1567-1640 AD.

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Re: Alawi bohras

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Unread post by humanbeing » Mon Nov 28, 2011 6:46 am

Hi

I m begining to explore depths of our community. Sometimes I m lost, so much of fragmentation and division. how much are we going to divide humankinds into ??

Why are there such divisions ?? and divisions are nurtured generation to generation on basis of difference of opinions !!

Human emotions, feelings and choices are restricted with respect to marraige, friendship, business relations, prime of all : HUMANITY !!

Is it worth it ??

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Re: Alawi bohras

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Unread post by stranger » Mon Nov 28, 2011 8:07 am

ozmujaheed,

Yes Its true and somewhat already discussed before. Refer below :-

http://dawoodi-bohras.com/forum/viewtop ... f=1&t=6056

http://dawoodi-bohras.com/forum/viewtop ... f=1&t=5999

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Re: Alawi bohras

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Unread post by Ala maqaam » Mon Nov 28, 2011 8:43 am

so in Alawi point of view,bohras are wahabia ? :mrgreen:

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Re: Alawi bohras

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:15 pm

humanbeing wrote:Why are there such divisions ?? and divisions are nurtured generation to generation on basis of difference of opinions !!
By now you it should be crystal clear for you that 'divisions' in any religion/sect is mostly for acquiring more power which in turn results in more money, the garb of religion is just an excuse to fulfil the hidden agenda i.e. acquiring materialistic and worldly comforts. Whether it is the various sects in jainism, swami narayan cult, deobandis/barelvis/ahle hadees or wahabis or dawoodi/alvi/sulemani/mehdi baug/sunni bohras.

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Re: Alawi bohras

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Unread post by ozmujaheed » Mon Nov 28, 2011 10:06 pm

stranger wrote:ozmujaheed,

Yes Its true and somewhat already discussed before. Refer below :-

http://dawoodi-bohras.com/forum/viewtop ... f=1&t=6056

http://dawoodi-bohras.com/forum/viewtop ... f=1&t=5999
Stranger I note it was discussed but the point is that Dawoodis' are really becoming a bully and arrogant in desecrating artifacts of all people we disagree with

Suleimani, Alavi, Progs , who else will they pick a fight with ?

This brings a point may be we should get all the opponents united and overthrow the kothar and replace with a united Bohra front for the future.

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Re: Alawi bohras

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Unread post by Ala maqaam » Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:03 pm

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Unread post by humanbeing » Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:05 am

Dear GM

Agree !! Unfortunate, but true !!

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Re: Alawi bohras

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Tue Nov 29, 2011 6:24 pm

ozmujaheed wrote:The cemetery manager ordered the demolition of the holy grave (qabr-e-mubaarak) of 30th Alavi Da’i Saiyedna Abd ut-Taiyeb Zakiyuddin (d. 1047 AH/1638 AD),
ozmujaheed wrote:Once again on 7-4-1417 AH/21-8-1996 AD they exhibited their unending cruelty and hatred by demolishing the grave of 29th Alavi Da’i Saiyedna Ali Shamsuddin Shaheed (aq),
ozmujaheed wrote:This mean task was carried out on the behest of some envious anti-Alavi elements in the Da’wat hierarchy of Dawoodis.
Inspite of such ruthless, cruel and inhuman acts which reminds one of yazeed, the alvis and their dai still maintain an excellent rapport with the dawoodi bohra dai and kothar. Care to know why ? It is because the bosses of kothar who are known for their shrewd and manipulative ways help the alvis by alloting them rooms in their faiz at Karbala and Mecca/Madina where they dont have such facilities. Hence they are indirectly debted to kothar due to which they keep their mouth shut and dont create a ruckus on the issue of demolition of graves of their past dais. They are helped in many other ways also which are not in the knowledge of abdes.

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Re: Alawi bohras

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Unread post by ozmujaheed » Wed Nov 30, 2011 6:50 am

GM if kothar are bribing their way out of their sinful deeds that is different issue, however them committing the atrocities mentioned already makes dawoodi's guilty and unless kothar publicly and legally route the claims we are open for blame.

And by chance this is true then more reason to abolish ,the authority of current Kothar and instill new rational and tolerant leadership.

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Re: Alawi bohras

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Unread post by stranger » Wed Nov 30, 2011 8:49 am

ozmujaheed wrote:
stranger wrote:ozmujaheed,

Yes Its true and somewhat already discussed before. Refer below :-

http://dawoodi-bohras.com/forum/viewtop ... f=1&t=6056

http://dawoodi-bohras.com/forum/viewtop ... f=1&t=5999
Stranger I note it was discussed but the point is that Dawoodis' are really becoming a bully and arrogant in desecrating artifacts of all people we disagree with

Suleimani, Alavi, Progs , who else will they pick a fight with ?

This brings a point may be we should get all the opponents united and overthrow the kothar and replace with a united Bohra front for the future.
ozmujaheed,
The split between dawoodi, Sulemani and Alavis are not on the difference in Opinions but difference in belief and on the matter of truthful Nass. Difference in Opinion can be sorted out but difference in belief can not. I mean you just can not change the history. It happpend and Now its there and will be there. So I don't think that there can be any way to get all united under one single community.
thou i wish, if we could anyway.

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Re: Alawi bohras

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Unread post by stranger » Wed Nov 30, 2011 9:08 am

ghulam muhammed wrote: Inspite of such ruthless, cruel and inhuman acts which reminds one of yazeed, the alvis and their dai still maintain an excellent rapport with the dawoodi bohra dai and kothar. Care to know why ? It is because the bosses of kothar who are known for their shrewd and manipulative ways help the alvis by alloting them rooms in their faiz at Karbala and Mecca/Madina where they dont have such facilities. Hence they are indirectly debted to kothar due to which they keep their mouth shut and dont create a ruckus on the issue of demolition of graves of their past dais. They are helped in many other ways also which are not in the knowledge of abdes.
GM,
They are getting rooms allotted not only in karbala and Mecca medina but even in Galiyakot or at any place where we are sharing common shrine, with ezan for niyaaz and accessible to same facilities along with d.bohras. Alavi bohras are welcome to book their Karbala and Hajj tour with Dawoodi bohra travel group and its initiated under 52th Da'i Era.
I agree that many abdes are not aware of this but its not required also. In fact most of the Abdes ( Except Gujarat ) don't even know about Alavi bohras and their history. The common misconception is 'Udaipuris' are Alavi bohras and they refer reformist as Alia vohra or Alliya vohra .