we want something new to happen

[dawoodfakhruddin]

friends i m new to this forum...i just read for many months about all the posts by various users..and i found diverse thoughts with very very abusive language spoken to each group of people...i just want to know from both sides i mean progressives and dawoodi bohras what they want to acquire by writing about kothars and ..... as there are many few people who read these posts so do something better and administrative to show all the culprits in kothan n even in qasreaali their real places...by fighting with words would not do any good to anyone and the state of community would remain as it is....mean noeach and every like minded people should approach bohras individually and make them understand whats going wrong with them ...if 30 from 100 houses of a particular city understands your feelings and thoughts it would be enough for others atleast to motivate it further...!

[ozmujaheed]

Bhai df,

Thank you for your observation and hope those who are abusing each other for no gain resist the temptation

A few points of my own, why do you mention progs vs db, are you maliciously trying to call opponents of kothar non-db, either you intentionally have low command of English or there is a veiled insult in your response, please confirm your position ?

You go to describe the resistance movement as thoughts and feelings, the issues we stand against are not emotional arguments but real issues of corruption, undemocratic operations and oppressive and manipulative strategy of a self centred greedy dynasty. There are plenty who do not mind enslavement but those who do have right to stand up and deny oppression, the same right your forefathers had against colonialism, and every Burmese, Tibetan or indigenous native has against settlers . That right goes to the point of self defense at whatever level! Gum jus may culturally be docile and passive as there brahmin heritage upbringing but there are few of us who will emulate warrior qualities.

The tactics the kothar have used for 40 years had not been of restraint , this site describe them in kenght from every corner of the globe where bohras reside, so our barbs are full and wide, sure they sound raw and crude, but mate this is an epic battle between David and Goliath !

[stranger]

Welcome to the forum bro, you will have good time here.

Thou I was never been a hardcore abde but facts and what i am seeing & observing in day to day life in our community, I am afraid, will no longer remain an abde if the situation remains the same. There are many people who are rational and ask questions to themselves but could not express it to surrounding people.
Recently, i have came across a guy ( which i thought was hard core abde, since he wear full time topi and keeps long beard) and when i tried to discuss with him ab the current system and progressive issues. I was surprise to see that he was more of a progressive mentality and when i asked that bhai, you have really given me a shock.
He said, Boss karna padta hai Samaaj mai rehna hain toh, otherwise sab jaante hai kya chal raha hai..Haathi ke daant khaane ke aur dikhaane ke aur..lol..Furthermore he was saying there are many like me, brother. Its just that chal raha hai, Kon buraai lega bol kar... Ji saahab, Ji Saahab bolo..Haan mai haan milaao aur khush raho.

[Humsafar]

Stranger, that's a indeed a good report. People are basically not dumb, they just keep quiet out of convenience. They have figured out that it is to their advantage to not to create trouble. "Samajh mai rehna hai" is a great alibi and for its sake people are prepared to suffer all kinds of indignities and humiliations. And of course the mafia clergy knows this and takes advantage of it. The silent majority whose hearts and minds belong to the reformist cause is just biding its time. We shoould distinguish between Dawoodi Bohras and abde regressives. The former are our allies and the impression we create for them on this forum is very important. Here's one more reason why we should be mindful of our tone and language.

[Fateh]

Welcome to the forum bro, you will have good time here.

Thou I was never been a hardcore abde but facts and what i am seeing & observing in day to day life in our community, I am afraid, will no longer remain an abde if the situation remains the same. There are many people who are rational and ask questions to themselves but could not express it to surrounding people.
Recently, i have came across a guy ( which i thought was hard core abde, since he wear full time topi and keeps long beard) and when i tried to discuss with him ab the current system and progressive issues. I was surprise to see that he was more of a progressive mentality and when i asked that bhai, you have really given me a shock.
He said, Boss karna padta hai Samaaj mai rehna hain toh, otherwise sab jaante hai kya chal raha hai..Haathi ke daant khaane ke aur dikhaane ke aur..lol..Furthermore he was saying there are many like me, brother. Its just that chal raha hai, Kon buraai lega bol kar... Ji saahab, Ji Saahab bolo..Haan mai haan milaao aur khush raho.

Yes this type of scenario is going on every where in db world every one wants revolution but no one wants be a Bhagatsingh.

[AliRahbar]

we want something new to happen

like what?

[ozmujaheed]

There is a saying pen is mightier than a sword

Gradual change in attitudes a nd mentality is stronger and more potent as it corrodes and weakens the slavish behaviour. If we cannot cause an eruption of mass protests let us create an under current and erode the power of kothar

[Fateh]

There is a saying pen is mightier than a sword

Gradual change in attitudes a nd mentality is stronger and more potent as it corrodes and weakens the slavish behaviour. If we cannot cause an eruption of mass protests let us create an under current and erode the power of kothar

Bro idea is good but this can only be achieve by strong leadership & 100% faith in ALLAH

[dawoodfakhruddin]

i have a new idea or strategy and pardon me for my language as its not too accurate..
since 45 years i hav noticed dat in bohra as we no its pure castism..i mean sheiks , mullahs, khidmatguzars...n each category has a different treatment...as my father was a moallim for so many years till he died without a penny left for me as he suffered serious tortures from his moze amil who were more cruel than earlier and whenever he did araz in shezada or taalim he was answered dat " sabar karo" khuda jazaa aapse"....but till he died he didnt got any ...i was amused dat in this what can khuda do....as it was totally on zadas call or misal to do better for mollim in every city..but they all were busy making strategies with amils to collect every possible collections in d name of allah and what i observed for these years with my dad dat the amil who was most curropt and cruel from every means was most loved amil by shezadas...and whenever he made a bigger fraud he was ultimately given much better and prosper moze..these unjust face of shezadas till day is as it is.....and i have observed dat the moallims in khidmatguzar category are really pious and simple people and the most tolerance worthy people and their relationship with aam momin is also very nice....and the most important of their work which is great in all sense than amil who only sits in office n collects salaams and do nothing for people...but these guys i mean moallims full day they teach knowledge of all sorts and give good ethics to children without any selfish deeds and are not so greedy like amils and their salary is also too less comparitively to any khidmatguzars...and i m regularly in touch with these moallims who are my dads friends or colleagues ...and from them i got to no dat something wrong is going on in community or dawat as they say that they have not got any respect or justice from shezadas till day and this situation is boiling up in moallim groups and soon it will burst and something would happen ....
my idea was if we take these guys our messengers towards bohras like an underground current to spread real fact about kothars and amils and shezadas ...we can achieve much higher goals and people would come forward and support our cause for welfare of bohras...
what u all say?

[Fateh]

i have a new idea or strategy and pardon me for my language as its not too accurate..
since 45 years i hav noticed dat in bohra as we no its pure castism..i mean sheiks , mullahs, khidmatguzars...n each category has a different treatment...as my father was a moallim for so many years till he died without a penny left for me as he suffered serious tortures from his moze amil who were more cruel than earlier and whenever he did araz in shezada or taalim he was answered dat " sabar karo" khuda jazaa aapse"....but till he died he didnt got any ...i was amused dat in this what can khuda do....as it was totally on zadas call or misal to do better for mollim in every city..but they all were busy making strategies with amils to collect every possible collections in d name of allah and what i observed for these years with my dad dat the amil who was most curropt and cruel from every means was most loved amil by shezadas...and whenever he made a bigger fraud he was ultimately given much better and prosper moze..these unjust face of shezadas till day is as it is.....and i have observed dat the moallims in khidmatguzar category are really pious and simple people and the most tolerance worthy people and their relationship with aam momin is also very nice....and the most important of their work which is great in all sense than amil who only sits in office n collects salaams and do nothing for people...but these guys i mean moallims full day they teach knowledge of all sorts and give good ethics to children without any selfish deeds and are not so greedy like amils and their salary is also too less comparitively to any khidmatguzars...and i m regularly in touch with these moallims who are my dads friends or colleagues ...and from them i got to no dat something wrong is going on in community or dawat as they say that they have not got any respect or justice from shezadas till day and this situation is boiling up in moallim groups and soon it will burst and something would happen ....
my idea was if we take these guys our messengers towards bohras like an underground current to spread real fact about kothars and amils and shezadas ...we can achieve much higher goals and people would come forward and support our cause for welfare of bohras...
what u all say?

Well said bro,this is necked truth of kothar but money,blind faith & our cowardliness play great role for our slavery.We are facing same situation as like as the bani Israel faced in the time of pheron but they got nabi Musa (a.s) & we have not. Lets see when Allah listen our pray & we get our Imam as early as possible.

[ultofanatic]

We need to be careful whom to tag as Progressive, abde or fence sitter. A person may have a topi and dhadi on him and may readily complain against the system, but when push comes to shove, he will immediately abandon the minority and take the majority stand.

To be able to really physically and mentally get an abde to go against the kothar, it will take a lot of convincing and a rather concrete platform which has already been made and proved to deliver results in more ways than one.

[progticide]

He said, Boss karna padta hai Samaaj mai rehna hain toh, otherwise sab jaante hai kya chal raha hai..Haathi ke daant khaane ke aur dikhaane ke aur..lol..Furthermore he was saying there are many like me, brother. Its just that chal raha hai, Kon buraai lega bol kar... Ji saahab, Ji Saahab bolo..Haan mai haan milaao aur khush raho.

Stranger,
I am sure people like those whom you have quoted above dont have a vertebral column. If such people are wearing topi/beard but in their hearts nurture thoughts of the malicious nature just so that they can stay in their so-called Samaaj, then I have no qualms of calling them hypocrites. The meaning of samaaj for such people is free Niyaaz jaman they want to enjoy and to wear the honourable tag of being a Dawoodi Bohra in an increasingly polarised society.
But such people are far and few, bcoz the vast majority observes the tenets of Islam and Islamic Shariat as prescribed under the Dawoodi Bohra faith out of faith and honest belief and wearing a beard is part of that.
Hence you should not pick out exceptional cases of such hypocrites and portray those as being a common feature in the mainstream DB society.

Agar aapko is DB samaaj mein itni hi takleef mehsoos ho rahi he to kyun yaha pade ho, jao duniya bahut badi he, apne liye koi aur rehbar dhoond lo.

[humanbeing]

What about those cheats, thugs, embezzlers, extravagant freeloaders who wear spotless white SKT, flaunt a long beard, preach from the roof the “tenets of Islam”, moan about austerity and humble living of Prophet Muhammad and Imam Ali, collect Monies with both hands on every small pretext, commercialize bohra faith and bank on people’s faith and emotions. They too fall in this category of hypocrites you mentioned don’t they !!

[progticide]

What about those cheats, thugs, embezzlers, extravagant freeloaders who wear spotless white SKT, flaunt a long beard, preach from the roof the “tenets of Islam”, moan about austerity and humble living of Prophet Muhammad and Imam Ali, collect Monies with both hands on every small pretext, commercialize bohra faith and bank on people’s faith and emotions. They too fall in this category of hypocrites you mentioned don’t they !!

People like you want all the freebies that the Society has to offer but are not willing to contribute a penny to the resource pool. People like you are always ready to showcase a few potholes on the roads but conveniently overlook the highspeed expressways. People like you neither have courage or competence to rise above nor struggle for betterment of their own individual class, and therefore always feel the urge to malign and defame others who are source of inspiration for the rest of the flock who are progressing ahead of them. People like you are like those who survive on charity, curse the governments, criticise the negligible lack of facilities, but never pay a single dime in societal contribution. People like you are like those who feel they are robbed of their riches because of the doings of others, whereas you never had anything to be robbed off in the first place, not even your dignity and self-respect.

There is only one word that describes people like you - "Bhikari"

[asad]

HB,

A humble advice to ignore the personal attack. every post doesnt merit a response.

[dawoodfakhruddin]

friends and brothers plz dont move out of track ...i just want to no about yr views regarding moallims idea to what i wrote ?

[SBM]

HB,

A humble advice to ignore the personal attack. every post doesnt merit a response.

Br Asad
I do not think HB's post had any personal attack instead it was the Regressive in his subsequent post who did the same. If some one write about Kothari Goons, to me that is not personal but what Progticide did is directly accusing HB as free loader despite the fact that HB and other Progressives have repeatedly said they are Sabil paying members who do not participate in majority of Majaalis and they do not eat their Lazeez Jaman with tamakuun

[asad]

HB,

A humble advice to ignore the personal attack. every post doesnt merit a response.

Br Asad
I do not think HB's post had any personal attack instead it was the Regressive in his subsequent post who did the same. If some one write about Kothari Goons, to me that is not personal but what Progticide did is directly accusing HB as free loader despite the fact that HB and other Progressives have repeatedly said they are Sabil paying members who do not participate in majority of Majaalis and they do not eat their Lazeez Jaman with tamakuun

SBM,

advice was to HB to not heed to personal attack of Progticide. I was telling HB to ignore the personal attack of Progticide and not the other way round. hope it clears the air.

and on a lighter note, whats the hurry. you have paid for it eat it with tamakkun.

[humanbeing]

Dear Asad
I really respect your advise and thanks for your concern. I mean it. But please allow me to respond to Progiticide. I will try my best not to indulge in vulgar and offensive language as that of others. My intention is to express sorry state of affairs in general rather than point fingers personally like some frustrated abdes (lol) resort to.
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People like you want all the freebies that the Society has to offer but are not willing to contribute a penny to the resource pool.

Everytime there is any endeavour which is introduced in the community such as; new masjid, school, hospital, markaz, jamatkhana etc. Contribution is seeked from commoner ejamaat card holder like us. Over and above the actual cost of investment and expenses. We commoners pay up, in good faith that its getting used for betterment of the community, later to learn that, funds collected was misappropriated, embezzled and forgotten by the pristine preachers of faith aka amils, sheikhs etc

Amils are provided free housing, transportation and other perks along with Wazeefa from kothar, plus salaams and charges for raza, all this expenses funded by sabeel, wajebaat and other hoob payments, which comes from people like us who provide freebies enjoyed by the priestly class.

People like you are always ready to showcase a few potholes on the roads but conveniently overlook the highspeed expressways.

People like us who are contributing monthly (sabeel) and yearly (wajebaat) from hard earned money are enabling schemes and ventures proposed by kothar. Time and again in good faith, that this time our money will not be embezzled.

People like you neither have courage or competence to rise above nor struggle for betterment of their own individual class,

We the people are working hard to provide for the comforts of the Priestly class, it’s the resources, importance and affection the commoners give that makes priestly class serenade with pomp and arrogance. People like us (commoners) becoming professionals and businessmen who are providing services to Kothar Inc. How much has kothar done for betterment of any class other than those who can fill coffers of kothar. Any initiative is plum funded by entire community in excess of what is required. Even the professional expertise comes from commoners likes us (engineers, designers, accountants, management, architects, hardworking khidmatguzaars).

and therefore always feel the urge to malign and defame others who are source of inspiration for the rest of the flock who are progressing ahead of them.

This urge is very prominent in the priestly class, who gloat over differentiating / segregating / isolating bohra from everyone else in the world. Condemning entire world to hell ! Give us one name from kothar who is a source of inspiration for the bohra commoners leave alone the world. Give us one name from pristine heaven landlords from kothar who has made a name in this world to inspire people to the likes of Nelson Mandela, Rosa Parks, Gandhi, Mother Teresa, Martin Luther King.

List of people who kothar defames and malign is much longer. Hate-oriented, regressive leadership, who stops its followers from being good thinkers. Duping gullible people with fancy miracles.

People like you are like those who survive on charity, curse the governments, criticise the negligible lack of facilities, but never pay a single dime in societal contribution.

People like us (commoners) who are diligently paying sabeel , wajebaat, hoob, laagats, najwa, silatul imam, sudry salaam etc for community can run efficiently. The very priestly classs fumes, whines and berates host if facilities are not upto mark for them.

The very priestly class curses everything under the sun which does not agree to their manipulative secretive theories.

The Very Priestly class will not pay a dime to any commoners infact will only take take and take through salaams and najwa. Situation is so miserable, that even to become a bohra (misaak) is a paid service, and laagat is negotiated. What a shame !!

People like you are like those who feel they are robbed of their riches because of the doings of others, whereas you never had anything to be robbed off in the first place, not even your dignity and self-respect.

People likes us are getting robbed by the priestly embezzlers, thugs, cheats and fraudsters. Dignity & Self Respect of commoners are getting robbed everytime this priestly class makes elders bow to them (kids) and stand in submission with eyes lowered as in front of “pheron”

There is only one word that describes people like you - "Bhikari"

There are regular Zaroori Elaans echoed in markaz cajoling people to pay money, pay gold, pay silver. Every now and then there is new scheme to extract some funds out of commoners. In Kuwait markaz scene is so sad that, inspite of paying up compulsory masalla charges, sheikhs are holding people to pay up, and a nagging announcements to pay pay and pay. Do this guys need money forever. Inspite of exorbitant sabeel payments, hoob payments and sponsored jamans, they run around asking people to pay.
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Just one more point.

In my previous post, I expressed my point over thugs, embezzlers and cheats who are harming the community. Its very surprising some abde support such embezzlers.

[humanbeing]

i have a new idea or strategy and pardon me for my language as its not too accurate..
since 45 years i hav noticed dat in bohra as we no its pure castism..i mean sheiks , mullahs, khidmatguzars...n each category has a different treatment...as my father was a moallim for so many years till he died without a penny left for me as he suffered serious tortures from his moze amil who were more cruel than earlier and whenever he did araz in shezada or taalim he was answered dat " sabar karo" khuda jazaa aapse"....but till he died he didnt got any ...................................................................................................what u all say?

Hi DF
I read your post regarding your Muallim Father and how he was deprived. Can you please provide your father’s story more in detail. You need not reveal indentities.

Thanks

[progticide]

Humanbeing and Others

Making a show of the contributions made under religious obligations is the worst kind of behaviour. Who are you trying to fool, only yourself.

You pay the sabeel, wajebaat, and other dues out of your own obligatory religious duty, and you make it look like as if you are doing a charitable act.

You offer salaam and najwa because of your own desire for societal acceptance and peer-respect, and you make it look as if you are being coerced into doing it.

You find the lifestyles of the clergy extravagant out of jealousy and hatred, whereas the faithful DBs find the same as a matter of pride and honour to be able to offer such luxury to their priests even if not to their own families.

You ask for accountability on financial matters as if you are some shareholder in a public-listed company. Wake-up, you are merely a subject of the Dawat, not least its trustee or care-taker, let alone being Master.

People follow religion for spiritual upliftment and to get unbonded from material life. What you guys are trying to do is exactly the opposite.

So, its time to shape-up and behave yourselves.

[dawoodfakhruddin]

to humanbeing
my fathers struggle for irrespect ,improper salary, deprived by dirty kothar tactics and shezadas as well, and dominant amils is like a book but a whole library .....i just want to tell n incident to u dat how an amil and jamaat secretary did to my father ...
my father a decade ago was moallim in a city where about 600 houses of bohras live, at the first day when he went to amils office for raza , as he entered the office amil saw him but he behaved as he has not seen him entering and ha i was with him as he took me forcefully with him so only...for about 5 minutes he was talking with some long beared sheikh who was sitting in front of him and gesturing about some thing....me and my father called him but he told" baahar betho bulau chu tane..." hmmm myself was just shocked dat this amil would definately more crue than earlier...
than he called my father...my father with so big age around 65 sat and did salaam and the amil i think would be in 40's than also he never disallowed him from kissing his knee.....than when my father stood up he didnt told him to sat on chair also...i was just getting frustrated there but my father caught my hand and kept me calm....than suddenly amil told that u r new moallim no? so listen first and last dat whatever is provided to u is enough so dont come again to tell me any of yr non sense....than suddenly madrasa secretary entered and did 100 rupee note salaam to amil.... than it was something more shocking to me dat he asked in the entrance only to him dat ..." plz sit in front" and told him dat this is new MOALLIM, show him the madrasa and amil to my dad this yr madrasa SECRETARYSAAB and he is very mukhlis so be in contact and do what he says ok"....oh i was going mad and mad towards these words and his actions.......all the incident was then forwarded to taalim and u no what happened??? after 2 months badli misaal came to my dad for no reason and dat was the day when i told my dad to leave this job and live withme

[ghulam muhammed]

There is only one word that describes people like you - "Bhikari"

In fact there are two words that describes kothar and his master...... SHAHI BHIKARI and KAFAN CHOR !!

[think]

brother Fakhruddin; i know of an incident when a bohri was building a masjid. one fine day a zada came to him and took over the masjid project and this zada did not know abc of construction or design. The bohri got so frustrated with all the mistakes that were made by this zada and how he spent the mumineen's money on unneccessary construction expenses, The bohri got a heart attack and died.

[Al Zulfiqar]

, you are merely a subject of the Dawat, What you guys are trying to do is exactly the opposite. .. shape-up and behave yourselves.

spoken like a true slave master...!!!

this is exactly how the servants of the people, the politicians, police and govt servants, talk once they are in power. instead of serving us, we suddenly become their slaves!!

ditto for dai and his parasitic family....

su eni niraali shaan chhe...!

[ghulam muhammed]

brother Fakhruddin; i know of an incident when a bohri was building a masjid. one fine day a zada came to him and took over the masjid project and this zada did not know abc of construction or design. The bohri got so frustrated with all the mistakes that were made by this zada and how he spent the mumineen's money on unneccessary construction expenses, The bohri got a heart attack and died.

The elders on this forum will recollect the incident when the late Siraj Lokhandwala of M/s.Lokhandwala Constructions had built a beautiful masjid in khar with HIS OWN MONEY for the benefit of bohras but it was embroiled in a religious tangle as the current dai refused to give it due religious sanction till such time that the same was not transferred in his name i.e. waqf. Siraj laid his foot down and said that he did his duty as a true follower of Islam by constructing the masjid as it was also the wish of his late father. The masjid wore a deserted look for quite sometime as bohras were told that praying namaz in the same would not entitle them to the amount of sawab as would normally be in case of praying in masjids as this masjid was not approved by the dai as he had not sanctioned its spirituality !!

The local amil then summoned bohras from khar with an instruction to donate an amount which was quite huge which would ultimately go to the dai by way of his FEES for granting the religious status of this masjid. The total amount required to be paid to the dai was equivalent to the cost of constructing this masjid. As usual the bohras gave in and a grand ceremony was organised wherein the dai gave his official sanction after laughing all the way to the bank !!!

[Al Zulfiqar]

the dai gave his official sanction after laughing all the way to the bank !!!

bro. gm,

the bohra dai is so rich with thousands and thousands of crores in liquid assets, that he does not need to go the bank. the bank comes to him. he laughs copiously, in private, with his zaad's slapping each other on the back, smirking - 'su ghadha chhe apni qoum ma, ek ne looto, to beeja hazaar line ma tayyar ubha hoi chhe, reverse sajda karwane.."

[humanbeing]

Making a show of the contributions made under religious obligations is the worst kind of behaviour. Who are you trying to fool, only yourself.

This worst behaviour is at its peak display at ‘n’ number of Ziyafats, Kadam, Kadambosi etc. Rich sheikhs gloating and boasting about rates of Ziyafat. Who are they fooling or getting fooled by ?? lol

Rich popular sheikhs in Kuwait Markaz were standing and announcing their contribution (several thousand dinaars) to Kuwait jamaat in full pack markaz, this announcement was initiated by raza of Amil saab.

You pay the sabeel, wajebaat, and other dues out of your own obligatory religious duty, and you make it look like as if you are doing a charitable act.

Well atleast commoner make it look like a charitable act for monies given away in good faith. What act does Kothari representative make it by cheating, misappropriating and embezzling community funds.

You offer salaam and najwa because of your own desire for societal acceptance and peer-respect, and you make it look as if you are being coerced into doing it.

Commoners are offering Salaam and Najwa because it has become an unsaid / unwritten rule. Let me give you an example. I had gone to Dewri and met with PA of Amil Saab, he instructed me to put minimum KD 1 salaam to Amil !
My father was instructed to put KD 14 in Salaam cover of Amil Saab for my Misaak.
My Father was instructed to put KD 7 in salaam cover of Amil Saab for My uncle’s funeral
My Father was Instructed to put Rs 2100 in salaam cover of Amil for my sister’s wedding

You find the lifestyles of the clergy extravagant out of jealousy and hatred, whereas the faithful DBs find the same as a matter of pride and honour to be able to offer such luxury to their priests even if not to their own families.

Personally speaking ! I would not want to lead a life that of Clergy. I would live in luxury (to the extent of my earned wealth). I would not spread white towel wherever I sit, I would not sit on a masalla (Suzni) and eat in thaal, I would not discriminate between my brothers, and eat in same plates and same food, I would not make my brothers, fans and followers stand in inferior submission with heads lowered.

Faithful Commoners take pride and honour to give respect and luxury to priestly class out of affection, devotion and trust.. what is priestly class doing to them in return… running away with their funds and breaking their trust. (I m not generalizing, this is specific to those thugs and embezzlers who have cheated people) and clergy protecting them !! what does that Justify !

You ask for accountability on financial matters as if you are some shareholder in a public-listed company. Wake-up, you are merely a subject of the Dawat, not least its trustee or care-taker, let alone being Master.

Commoners those contribute financially to the daawat are actually the financiers of the Kothari Inc. So Royal Family being board of directors raising funds from public in lieu of promises of facilities, development and administration is legally, religiously and financially accountable.

People follow religion for spiritual upliftment and to get unbonded from material life. What you guys are trying to do is exactly the opposite.

Some people are leading religion for financial upliftment of self and are bonded to material opulence.

So, its time to shape-up and behave yourselves.

So, Its time to wake up and smell the coffee !!

[Fateh]

Making a show of the contributions made under religious obligations is the worst kind of behaviour. Who are you trying to fool, only yourself.

This worst behaviour is at its peak display at ‘n’ number of Ziyafats, Kadam, Kadambosi etc. Rich sheikhs gloating and boasting about rates of Ziyafat. Who are they fooling or getting fooled by ?? lol

Rich popular sheikhs in Kuwait Markaz were standing and announcing their contribution (several thousand dinaars) to Kuwait jamaat in full pack markaz, this announcement was initiated by raza of Amil saab.

You pay the sabeel, wajebaat, and other dues out of your own obligatory religious duty, and you make it look like as if you are doing a charitable act.

Well atleast commoner make it look like a charitable act for monies given away in good faith. What act does Kothari representative make it by cheating, misappropriating and embezzling community funds.

You offer salaam and najwa because of your own desire for societal acceptance and peer-respect, and you make it look as if you are being coerced into doing it.

Commoners are offering Salaam and Najwa because it has become an unsaid / unwritten rule. Let me give you an example. I had gone to Dewri and met with PA of Amil Saab, he instructed me to put minimum KD 1 salaam to Amil !
My father was instructed to put KD 14 in Salaam cover of Amil Saab for my Misaak.
My Father was instructed to put KD 7 in salaam cover of Amil Saab for My uncle’s funeral
My Father was Instructed to put Rs 2100 in salaam cover of Amil for my sister’s wedding

You find the lifestyles of the clergy extravagant out of jealousy and hatred, whereas the faithful DBs find the same as a matter of pride and honour to be able to offer such luxury to their priests even if not to their own families.

Personally speaking ! I would not want to lead a life that of Clergy. I would live in luxury (to the extent of my earned wealth). I would not spread white towel wherever I sit, I would not sit on a masalla (Suzni) and eat in thaal, I would not discriminate between my brothers, and eat in same plates and same food, I would not make my brothers, fans and followers stand in inferior submission with heads lowered.

Faithful Commoners take pride and honour to give respect and luxury to priestly class out of affection, devotion and trust.. what is priestly class doing to them in return… running away with their funds and breaking their trust. (I m not generalizing, this is specific to those thugs and embezzlers who have cheated people) and clergy protecting them !! what does that Justify !

You ask for accountability on financial matters as if you are some shareholder in a public-listed company. Wake-up, you are merely a subject of the Dawat, not least its trustee or care-taker, let alone being Master.

Commoners those contribute financially to the daawat are actually the financiers of the Kothari Inc. So Royal Family being board of directors raising funds from public in lieu of promises of facilities, development and administration is legally, religiously and financially accountable.

People follow religion for spiritual upliftment and to get unbonded from material life. What you guys are trying to do is exactly the opposite.

Some people are leading religion for financial upliftment of self and are bonded to material opulence.

So, its time to shape-up and behave yourselves.

So, Its time to wake up and smell the coffee !!

Salam bhai,Mr.Projicide told that sabeel ,najawa & others money given as per desire of db but truth is if sabeel & other money not paid then amil stop the raza so it clearly a blackmailing.isn't it?

[humanbeing]

Hi DF

Its unfortunate to hear your Muallim father’s story. Teachers are most respected lot in every culture and faiths. I can empathize with narration of how your father was treated in presence of Amil. As I also personally had a similar experience with Local Amil. I m not in league of your father’s position. He deserves much more respect being deeni muallim.

I don’t wish to dissect the incident occurred to your father, but on a broader note, you being from a family of Deeni Teacher, please express your observations / POVs and that of your father’s about community in general.

Any broad reason why was a Muallim treated in such way by Amil ?