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What a waste of money and time by these grave worshippers.

[SBM]

Brother MF
I have lot of respect for you and your thoughts but it seems like lately you have become less tolerant of others faiths and beliefs
Please restrain yourself. It is not only Shia going to Karbala but same thing is true for others in Muslim Ummah,( a good majority of DESI Muslims) look at the pomp. and money at Ajmer Sharif or Mahim's Makhdoom or Haji Ali. Millions and Millions are going there year after year and they are not even part of Ahl-e-Bayt.
Please do show some respect to beliefs of other and be tolerant. As a matter of fact people from all faith should visit Najaf-Karbala to understand historical facts and martyrdom of Prophet's family.
It is sad irony that while Muslims other than Shia would give sectarian face to these shrines, people from Ahl-e Dawood will go on building Holocaust Memorials around the world to remind people of atrocities done to their community

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Brother MF
I have lot of respect for you and your thoughts but it seems like lately you have become less tolerant of others faiths and beliefs
Br SBM, AS
This is Islam section and not DB reform section.
Others faith and belief? Is visting saints graves and worshipping there is part of Islam?

Please restrain yourself. It is not only Shia going to Karbala but same thing is true for others in Muslim Ummah,( a good majority of DESI Muslims) look at the pomp. and money at Ajmer Sharif or Mahim's Makhdoom or Haji Ali. Millions and Millions are going there year after year and they are not even part of Ahl-e-Bayt.
Going to visit grave shrine is wrong and it does not matter who dose it

Please do show some respect to beliefs of other and be tolerant.
visiting graves of saints and pleading for help from dezd is not part of Islam

As a matter of fact people from all faith should visit Najaf-Karbala to understand historical facts and martyrdom of Prophet's family.
I respectfully disagree with you. Just reading the account of tragedy should be enough,

It is sad irony that while Muslims other than Shia would give sectarian face to these shrines,
To erect shrine is not part of Islam

I believe i following Hadith and it s meaning is clear. See a wrong and at least point it out.
Enjoining good and forbidding evil:
Abu Saeed al-Khudri related that the Prophet SAW said:

Whoever observes something wrong should change it with his hands. If he is unable to do so,
then he should speak against it with his tongue. If he is unable to do even that, then he should at least resent it in his heart- and this is the lowest level of faith. (Related by Muslim)

Wasalaam

[SHANAWAZ]

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What a waste of money and time by these grave worshippers.

I would like to inform mr /ms muslim first about a sher of a great shayar allama iqbal "Kya hain daaman e islam me bas is k siva ek zarbat e yaddullah aur sajda e shabbir",... this would make sense to those who belive in the real spirit of islam which was reborn after the incident of karbala and to add further a saying of imam Jafer e sadiq " if u r visiting the graves after our shahadat it is as good as meeting us in person. there are many more reasons y ppl visit karbala or iraq i have just mentioned some .

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What a waste of money and time by these grave worshippers.

I would like to inform mr /ms muslim first about a sher of a great shayar allama iqbal "Kya hain daaman e islam me bas is k siva ek zarbat e yaddullah aur sajda e shabbir",... this would make sense to those who belive in the real spirit of islam which was reborn after the incident of karbala and to add further a saying of imam Jafer e sadiq " if u r visiting the graves after our shahadat it is as good as meeting us in person. there are many more reasons y ppl visit karbala or iraq i have just mentioned some .

Islam is not based on shayerees of some poets nor on unverified sayings of saints rather it has a strong foundation on Quran and Authentic hadith.Allah swt himself has taken the responsibility of preserving this final message as said in Quran:
“We have without doubt sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption).” (Surah Al Hijr 15:9)
Point is to be noted here is that the entire message of Rasool saw is preserved not just the Quran in a tangible canonical form!

coming to the topic of this thread,Shrines are completely Haram (forbidden) in Islam because they are paganistic and polythiestic in nature. Historically, Prophet Muhammad (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) destroyed all the shrines in Mecca. This point cannot be stressed enough: the Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) shed blood of the Sahabah in order that Mecca be cleansed of shrines, and this was one of the Prophet’s first legislative acts after the Muslims conquered Mecca. How is it that the DBs do not realize that what they are doing is completely antithetical to the entire mission of the Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) who was sent to guide a shrine-worshipping people?

The Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) repeatedly condemned grave-worshipping in the authentic Hadith:

“Beware of those who preceded you and used to take the graves of their prophets and righteous men as places of worship, but you must not take graves as mosques; I forbid you to do that.” (Sahih Muslim)

“May Allah’s curse be on the Jews for they built the places of worship at the graves of their Prophets.” (Sahih Bukhari)

“May Allah curse the Jews and Christians for they built the places of worship at the graves of their Prophets.” (Sahih Bukhari)

“If any religious man dies amongst those people they would build a place of worship at his grave and make these pictures in it. They will be the worst creature in the sight of Allah on the Day of Resurrection.” (Sahih Bukhari)

“Do not sit on the graves and do not pray facing towards them.” (Sahih Bukhari)

The first time in human history that people commited the sin of idol-worship was around the time of Prophet Nuh (عليه السلام). A very pious man passed away. Shaytan whispered in the ears of the tonwnspeople: he urged them never to forget this pious man lest the townspeople abandon his example and be lost to sin. Once Shaytan had convinced them of the necessity to revere the memory of this pious dead man, he then then convinced them to erect a shrine over the grave of this man. Eventually, the people started praying in the shrine, and soon thereafter Shaytan convinced them to pray to the deceased man.

It was in this step by step fashion that Shaytan was able to misguide people into Shirk. He convinced them that they were doing a good thing by respecting a pious man, and he allowed them to add one Bidah (evil innovation) after another, infusing polythiestic practise in their belief. Likewise do the Shia believe that they are being pious by visiting shrines but in reality they have been fooled by Shaytan.

Of course, the Shia will make the futile argument that they really aren’t praying to the deceased person. It just so happens that they pray next to the grave and supplicate. Indeed, this argument sounds very similar to what modern-day Hindus claim. Hindus say that they don’t really worship the idol itself, that they really are worshipping God, and that they are just facing the idol. We see there is very little difference between what the Shia say and what the Hindus say.

The Islamic ethos deplores all idol-worshipping and is very strict in forbidding it. There is absolutely no point in praying next to someone’s grave. There is no benefit in it, and grave-worship is considered a grave sin (no pun intended). It is Shirk, and no matter what the intention is, it is still praying to the creation instead of the Creator. We urge any Shia reading this to immediately cease engaging in idol-worshipping. If a Muslim wants to “pay his respects” to a religious person of old, the best way to do that is to be an upright Muslim: to read Quran, to pray Salat, to give Zakat, to make Hajj, and to follow the Sunnah of the Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم). The Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) does not want anyone to commit Shirk to him. Ali (رضّى الله عنه) does not want anyone to commit Shirk to him. Neither would any pious person ever want someone to use them to commit Shirk. The pious Muslims of the past would only want the Muslims of today to also be pious.

It is polytheistic the manner in which the Shia go to their shrines and cry next to them, rub them, and pray to them. It is Shirk reminiscent of the Jahiliyyah times when the pagan Arabs used to do this. Tawheedullah (the Unity and Oneness of Allah) is the central tenet of Islam, and the Shia are guilty of violating this core belief by engaging in Shirk, which is the absolute major sin in Islam. The main emphasis in Islam is to stay away from Shirk, and yet the Shia embrace practises and customs that foster Shirk.

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What a waste of money and time by these grave worshippers.

I would like to inform mr /ms muslim first about a sher of a great shayar allama iqbal "Kya hain daaman e islam me bas is k siva ek zarbat e yaddullah aur sajda e shabbir",... this would make sense to those who belive in the real spirit of islam which was reborn after the incident of karbala and to add further a saying of imam Jafer e sadiq " if u r visiting the graves after our shahadat it is as good as meeting us in person. there are many more reasons y ppl visit karbala or iraq i have just mentioned some .

br Shanawz
Some of us believe that Islam was perfected after last hajj of Prophet SAW. there is no Hadit which says if you visit Prophet's grave then it is as good as meeting Prophet in person. So. Hadith of Imam Jaffar has no bearing. You are just repeating phony Hadith invented by Shias.

[Hanif]

Please watch and judge for yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y77N-Rev ... re=related

[Hanif]

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Is Ziyara of Prophet's hair allowed. Please watch video. Who are these people?

I saw the Prophet's hair and nail in the Masjid in Jerusalem. Where in the Qur'an or in the Sunnah is it stated that these personal stuff can be kept in Masjid for Ziyara? And who kept them there?

Why do people kiss Kaba? Do we have special names for these people?

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Is Ziyara of Prophet's hair allowed. Please watch video. Who are these people?
I do not waste time watching people committing shirk.

I saw the Prophet's hair and nail in the Masjid in Jerusalem. Where in the Qur'an or in the Sunnah is it stated that these personal stuff can be kept in Masjid for Ziyara? And who kept them there?
Did you make sure items belong to PRophet. Do they have proof? Why are you asking me this questions? This items are displayed soo fools like you can waste their time and money
Why do people kiss Kaba? Do we have special names for these people?
Kissing Kaaba has been discussed more than once google and you will find answer
I do not always agree with Nayak but watch this Video and never again ask this question.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hK5Jb8gR ... ata_player

[Hanif]

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Is Ziyara of Prophet's hair allowed. Please watch video. Who are these people?
I do not waste time watching people committing shirk.

I saw the Prophet's hair and nail in the Masjid in Jerusalem. Where in the Qur'an or in the Sunnah is it stated that these personal stuff can be kept in Masjid for Ziyara? And who kept them there?
Did you make sure items belong to PRophet. Do they have proof? Why are you asking me this questions? This items are displayed soo fools like you can waste their time and moneyI am asking because these places are run by your sahabas. Sorry, if I touched a wrong nerve in you by exposing the parallel between you guys and your shia brothers.
Why do people kiss Kaba? Do we have special names for these people?
Kissing Kaaba has been discussed more than once google and you will find answer
I do not always agree with Nayak but watch this Video and never again ask this question.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hK5Jb8gR ... ata_player

I do not have time to surf the internet day and night like you do. Neither do I gain my knowledge from wikipidia, unlike some of you. Neither do I waste my time by going from sites to sites to preach my message of hatred like some Jahaliyas do. Nor do I have desire to poke my nose in other peoples' affairs.

watch this Video and never again ask this question

Spoken like a truly uncouth person= Jahaliya.

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Hanif
I saw the Prophet's hair and nail in the Masjid in Jerusalem. Where in the Qur'an or in the Sunnah is it stated that these personal stuff can be kept in Masjid for Ziyara? And who kept them there?
Did you make sure items belong to PRophet. Do they have proof? Why are you asking me this questions? This items are displayed soo fools like you can waste their time and money I am asking because these places are run by your sahabas.

And could you name them?
Sorry, if I touched a wrong nerve in you by exposing the parallel between you guys and your shia brothers.
No you did not. there are plenty of devients in mainstream Islam.

[Hanif]

Hanif
I saw the Prophet's hair and nail in the Masjid in Jerusalem. Where in the Qur'an or in the Sunnah is it stated that these personal stuff can be kept in Masjid for Ziyara? And who kept them there?
Did you make sure items belong to PRophet. Do they have proof? Why are you asking me this questions? This items are displayed soo fools like you can waste their time and money I am asking because these places are run by your sahabas.

And could you name them?King Hussein of Jordan, and now his son.
Sorry, if I touched a wrong nerve in you by exposing the parallel between you guys and your shia brothers.
No you did not. there are plenty of devients in mainstream Islam.

And you have made it your business to correct them! How many have you succeeded in correcting? You have been thumping your head here but I do not see one going your way. Yet you persist. I guess you have a lot of time to waste! What a waste of life (which is a God's gift to you).

[anajmi]

Persistance is not to be bound by results as far as religion is concerned. Apparently you know the Quran (at least half of it from what I have come to understand), and Allah says to the prophet (saw) that the result is not upto him, only delivery of the message is in his hands.

You might understand this better - Kishan ne kaha arjun se - Karm ki chinta kar parth, phal ki nahin!!