.Going by that the above post makes sense.
He is referring to my post and not to yours.But your post still does not make any sense.
Good. A cornerstone of shia belief has no basis in the Quran.Now back to the discussion:
1.) I have not said in the quote above or any of my quotes that i am refering to the Quran / Hadis for Sahib-Uz-Zamaan. If you read my post (i have quoted above), I have referred to the particular sects only no need for your to repeat without reason.
So your answer is that you have never received any answers to unanswerable questions from these people but it is only your belief that you will. And you are comparing your faith in these people with my faith in Allah right? Are you suggesting that having faith in these people is the same as having faith in Allah? Are you saying that these people are the same as Allah?2.) As for your other question. Tell me one thing, have you really seen Allah? how do you know he exists and that Quran is the word of Allah? Why do you believe in Him. I am sure you will have lots of reasons to do so. Similarly, i have my reasons on believing that they do not have answers to all questions. Ii might not want to waste my time and money and energy over something i already know by reason.
Donkeys have eyes. You have eyes.anajmi wrote:
So your answer is that you have never received any answers to unanswerable questions from these people but it is only your belief that you will. And you are comparing your faith in these people with my faith in Allah right? Are you suggesting that having faith in these people is the same as having faith in Allah? Are you saying that these people are the same as Allah?
My argument was just an example and not be taken literally. I am sure you understand that.anajmi wrote:What i mean was that i cannot provide references as i do not remember them. There are several references in the Quran that refer to the succession of Imams, About the true successor after Rasulallah (SAW) being Maula Ali (AS) etc. Will try to provide the same as soon as can be with relevant arguments, but cannot commit on time.Good. A cornerstone of shia belief has no basis in the Quran.
So your answer is that you have never received any answers to unanswerable questions from these people but it is only your belief that you will. And you are comparing your faith in these people with my faith in Allah right? Are you suggesting that having faith in these people is the same as having faith in Allah? Are you saying that these people are the same as Allah?
Br. israfild,Dear Arif,
Assalamulaikum,
1.) At one point you say that the last Imam (AS) was a 2 year old boy and had no intelligence to establish the Dawat in which Bohras have faith, and in the very next statement you feel bad about an (imaginary) insult that i have done to the Imams (AS). I request you to please clarify your stand so that my arguments are more relevant.
2.) I say Imaginary because there is no reason for you to say that i have insulted any of the Imams (AS). You are just alleging me of something that i have never done and will never do. If you read my posts in context, i am sure you will find that i have utmost respect to all of the Imams (AS) and Dais (TUS) that we refer to.
3.) I think, the insult to the Imams (AS) is what your above post is doing. The reason i say this is as follows:
Shias (DBs, 12ers, Khojas etc) believe that the Imams (AS) were from the same Noor as that of Rasoolallah (SAW). This Noor has the knowledge of the Quran. Now, as per Allah, The Quran has all the knowledge till Qayamah, Therefore, the Imams (AS) also have all the knowledge that The Quran has.
Going by the above, the Imam, no matter what his age is, has the complete knowledge of The Quran. So, logically, this 2 year old boy (AS) has all the knowledge that a full grown up Imam has.
To discuss this any further, i will need to know what your stand is regarding the succession of Imams. Do you believe them to be the true successors after Rasoolallah (SAW) or not.
Let us make this a positive and constructive discussion rather than alleging without reason.
Awaiting your stand.
Aarif wrote:
Br. israfild,
Please note that my response was to Anajmi's post and not yours. Sorry if it came out that way.
There is delusion, and then there is delusion. (75%Smart wrote:Though the fact remains that this is a Sinister Mind Control Cult, there is a silver lining to the dark cloud. Almost 75% of those born as bohras have freed themselves from the rapacious masters of this cult in the last half century. This gives a lot of hope about the next generation. The internet with its untrammeled access to the youngsters is doing a yeoman service.
)I am also waiting for last 2 months for you to respondSmart wrote:@profastian,
Been waiting for almost 6 months now for you to counter my reasoning with facts. What happened? Any other abde willing to take up the cudgels on his behalf?
You dont sound that young to enjoy this kind of trivial discussion, neverthelessWhat kind of validation will satisfy youSmart wrote: @Aqs, You have been continually mentioning about one million strong community. Any validation for that figure?
Source of thisThe notion is that the card holding bohras are only about half a million.
And the source of your information was a waez of Sydna(tus) you heard 40 years back for which you will not have any proof and best part the source is from a person in whom you dont believe.Also as I had pointed out in other threads, almost 75% of bohras have left and gone.
We will decide as we proceed on such a important discussion of your life and i believe that our healthy number and your deserting Progy brothers bother you too much.The numbers are fast dwindling. No bohras => no progs. I have also shown that the half life of bohra numbers is 20 years and in the last 40 years only 25% remain. How long will it take to reduce less than a hundred thousand?
I am not the only one who is saying, whole media including your leader Engineer says this.Please desist from the gobbelsian untruth of there being a million bohras. That is not the truth. If it is, then prove it
You post delusions you dreamed up last night, and ask us for stats and facts. Wah re wah...Smart wrote:Your replies are non sequitur. They don't make any sense. You will get replies when your posts make sense. Try that and I will reply.
Try avoiding telling lies by implying that Engineer is my leader. I am not anybody's abde. Put facts and we can take it ahead.
My question is still valid. If the numbers presented by me are not even approximately true, then counter them by facts. Your masters have the numbers. They collect a lot of money based on that. Bring out the numbers !