Abdes -any bohra websites which impart any knowledge?

[profastian]

What knowledge? What knowledge has the Dai given you?

Well everything. Mathematics, Physics, Astronomy, Physiology, Biology, Zoology,etc etc... I am a mathematician and the greatest math lesson I ever had was in one of Syedna's Waaz.
The problem is that some of you guyz (proggies) are too conceited to listen while others are too dumb to understand.

[Smart]

@pro...
Well, so you are a mathematician. Now can you please put up that great lecture on mathematics by the Syedna. I am sure there is nothing secret about it. It is math, not deen, so no need for secrecy. You can even put up a link to youtube where this video is posted.

On the other hand, reading your posts, and based on their quality, I am tempted to ask this question: How much is 2+2=?
(Please remember, primary school arithmetic is not higher mathematics - I am sure you are aware of that)

[Al Zulfiqar]

I am a mathematician and the greatest math lesson I ever had was in one of Syedna's Waaz.

profastian, was it this maths lesson? i was lucky to find a clip on youtube about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJS8GszWJuQ

[profastian]

@pro...
I am sure there is nothing secret about it.

Well how many times have I to tell you that the lectures(Waaz) are not to be made public. Why? Because they are the intellectual property of the DAI and its his decision
to put them on the web or not. Or maybe, you don't believe in intellectual property rights. If you want to hear the lectures, just come attend the Waaz.
But again, you are either too conceited or most probably too dumb.

[profastian]

I am a mathematician and the greatest math lesson I ever had was in one of Syedna's Waaz.

profastian, was it this maths lesson? i was lucky to find a clip on youtube about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJS8GszWJuQ

Again conceit showing up. You guyz just cant admit how learned the syedna is.

[anajmi]

profastian,

Can you give me an example of this math that was taught to you by the Syedna? And if you are kind enough, I would like to go through the rest of the subjects as well, later on.

[SBM]

Pro....n
You did not reply to my earlier post regarding Fatemi Dawat is based on knowledge and not on money so why all those Najwa on Wajebaat forms and since you are a mathematician, you can explain the Mumbo Jumbo Syedna gave on his Salgirah Waez regarding the 99 by manipulating M is 9 and the other number is 90 so you remove 0 it becomes 99 and so on and so forth.
Let us see if you can be a magician instead of mathematician.

[questions]

Well i gave you the ONE reason in my post. The reason is knowledge. If you want the knowledge(ilm) that the DAI has become his slave.
And if you dont want the knowledge or you dont believe that the DAI has the knowledge or you believe that others besides the DAI has the same
knowledge, then you dont become his slave. As simple as that. The foundations of the Fatemi Dawat are laid on knowledge. Not money, not social welfare,
not community welfare, not alleviation of poverty, so on.

The present establishment does not have knowledge , does not encourage the spread of knowledge, does not even pray for increase in knowledge, the list can go on.

Whatever you get in your sabaks is tightly controlled pieces of information that makes you more and more brainwashed- like preaching to the converted, so that you remain in their nefarious clutches and continue to enrich Burhanuddin and Sons Pvt - we are a trading class after all .

If knowledge/ ilm was so fundamental to bohraism - it would be open and encouraged- anything in secret is never good or healthy. If we as Bohras are so right - then we should not be afraid to spread the word. We dont cos it we do not have it and it is dangerous to the status quo to even talk about spread of ilm. Think about it seriously, if you can. Hazrat Ali AS is famous for saying in an open forum to ' ask, ask (me anything), before you lose me'. Can the modern day keepers of ilm claim this - it takes guts and confidence in your own abilities ? Does the average bohra even know about the Nahjul Balagha, the sermon without dots, or anything about Hazrat Ali AS?

The Bohra establishment is based on shirk, money, power, propaganda, brainwashing, lies, - ilm is far away from the kothar.

[charmingrose]

Let me point out to you that the Dai is an ordinary human being - much like you actually, so leave this "nauzobillah" drama out. The seat of the Dai is very important - no doubt about that. One who is appointed to the seat has to uphold the following values at a minimum:

1. Live an exemplary lifestyle that we can all aspire to - this Syedna (what is the TUS business anyways?) bows to the likes of Modi (and dont start reciting the party line about bohras protection - if you really believe that, then you should stop your purjosh mataam for maulana Hussein who allowed his family to be sacrifieced for truth). This Sayedna like to be drive around in a Rolls Royce in the most impoverished areas of the world, this Sayedna has elevated his sons and family to 'stardom' complete with a whole generation of adulating groupies . This Sayedna indulges in hunting safaris, where he makes out that the killing of elephants and lions is a divine action.

2. Work to elevate the social wellbeing of his communite - This Sayedna has systematically robbed his followers with exhortion and terrible threats of boycott.

3. As a Dai, he should be a missionary to welcome others to the faith. This sayedna is only intereseted in his own glory and deity status. He has turned the community away from the faith.

Dear CR ... Wake up and smell the rose!

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let me point it out to you that Dai TUS is nt an ordinary human being.he hs been appointed by Imam AS fr deen n duniya of followers of Imam AS if u r a bohra.

ur first point : someone asked Imam AS on why he doesnt live a simple life like his grandfather Ali As.he simply replied tht if Ali AS was present at this v moment then Ali AS would also wear the sme clothes or live the same lifestyle.
no one is bowin to the likes of modi. u guys love democracy so much right ? in democractic India modi is not a criminal.he is the chief minister of Gujrat.and the commission or court hs nt found him guilty til nw.so why spoil his nme ? or u hv found him guilty without a trial already ?

ur sec point : Syedna TUS hs done a lot fr welfare of Bohra Community.we r distinguised community and it is a good thing we r nt hold in same breath as the other muslims.i quote a french minister or sme other western personality who said if all the muslims were bohras then the image of islam would be quite better in the west.wht extortion u talkin bout ?

third pt : hw do u kno ppl dont convert to bohra faith ? tht is a lie.i personally knw five ppl who hv becme bohras n taken misaq.

[charmingrose]

smart said :
Why do you have to become a slave to get ilm? This is one piece of logic that leaves me cold. Neither of the sava lakh anbia have asked for that nor does Quran ask for slavery in exchange of ilm.

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slave of Mohammed SAW , slave of Ali AS , slave of Imam AS , slave of Dai TUS to get ilm.bohra ideology.u gt colder nw ?

[charmingrose]

omabharti said :
So explain why in the WAJEBAT form they have Najwa for Imam-u-Zaman, Najwa for Dai, Najwa for Mukasir and Najwa for Mazoon (NAJWA= MONEY)
All that should be removed if you are following true Fatemi Dawat.

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why does Quran talk bout money ?

[charmingrose]

The present establishment does not have knowledge , does not encourage the spread of knowledge, does not even pray for increase in knowledge, the list can go on.

Whatever you get in your sabaks is tightly controlled pieces of information that makes you more and more brainwashed- like preaching to the converted, so that you remain in their nefarious clutches and continue to enrich Burhanuddin and Sons Pvt - we are a trading class after all .

If knowledge/ ilm was so fundamental to bohraism - it would be open and encouraged- anything in secret is never good or healthy. If we as Bohras are so right - then we should not be afraid to spread the word. We dont cos it we do not have it and it is dangerous to the status quo to even talk about spread of ilm. Think about it seriously, if you can. Hazrat Ali AS is famous for saying in an open forum to ' ask, ask (me anything), before you lose me'. Can the modern day keepers of ilm claim this - it takes guts and confidence in your own abilities ? Does the average bohra even know about the Nahjul Balagha, the sermon without dots, or anything about Hazrat Ali AS?

The Bohra establishment is based on shirk, money, power, propaganda, brainwashing, lies, - ilm is far away from the kothar.

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u knw wht happens in sabaks to mke a comment on it or r u just assumin ? knowledge is fundamental to bohra community.there r steps to tke to attain ilm.simple argument wil be that did u directly eat meat when u were born or were u fed ur mothers milk ? the raza fr sabak is v easy bt why would u go there ? ur already an aalim person who will tell us everythin bout Ali AS. strt givin lessons here on Ali AS . follow wht u preach is quite fair is it nt ?

even duniya ilm takes close to 15 yrs to mke a name fr urself in this world.hw much time do u think it should tke to attain ilm about after life n jannat ?

also personal ilm is to be protected.if ur a businessman will u freely give ur trade secrets ? n why should an oridinary bohra give ilm to others ? is there an exam fr it or are u a judge that will decide if he is aalim person or nt ?

[charmingrose]

anajmi said :
Can you give me an example of this math that was taught to you by the Syedna? And if you are kind enough, I would like to go through the rest of the subjects as well, later on.

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r u a businessman ? will u be kind enuf to give us the knowledge bout all ur trade secrets ?

[anajmi]

charmingrose,

Did the Syedna tell you the same thing when he imparted his knowledge to you? No. I think he was very kind on you to share his great knowledge of math with you. On the same token, it would be very kind of you to share the same knowledge with us over here who are lost. I don't think followers of Ahle Bait, the great Imamuzzaman and the Dai-ul-mutlaq should act in this selfish manner. Please guide us through your knowledge of math, physics, biology, zoology etc that you got from the Syedna.

Thanks in advance.

[charmingrose]

anajmi said :

Did the Syedna tell you the same thing when he imparted his knowledge to you? No. I think he was very kind on you to share his great knowledge of math with you. On the same token, it would be very kind of you to share the same knowledge with us over here who are lost. I don't think followers of Ahle Bait, the great Imamuzzaman and the Dai-ul-mutlaq should act in this selfish manner. Please guide us through your knowledge of math, physics, biology, zoology etc that you got from the Syedna.

Thanks in advance.

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there is a protocal to seek knowledge frm Syedna TUS or learn frm Mohammed SAW , Ali AS , Imam AS. take misaq.take raza and then attain ilm ok ?

[bohri]

let me point it out to you that Dai TUS is nt an ordinary human being.he hs been appointed by Imam AS fr deen n duniya of followers of Imam AS if u r a bohra.

ur first point : someone asked Imam AS on why he doesnt live a simple life like his grandfather Ali As.he simply replied tht if Ali AS was present at this v moment then Ali AS would also wear the sme clothes or live the same lifestyle.
no one is bowin to the likes of modi. u guys love democracy so much right ? in democractic India modi is not a criminal.he is the chief minister of Gujrat.and the commission or court hs nt found him guilty til nw.so why spoil his nme ? or u hv found him guilty without a trial already ?

ur sec point : Syedna TUS hs done a lot fr welfare of Bohra Community.we r distinguised community and it is a good thing we r nt hold in same breath as the other muslims.i quote a french minister or sme other western personality who said if all the muslims were bohras then the image of islam would be quite better in the west.wht extortion u talkin bout ?

third pt : hw do u kno ppl dont convert to bohra faith ? tht is a lie.i personally knw five ppl who hv becme bohras n taken misaq.

Dear CR - if you use the Quote feature - your rants will be easier to read (not to understand though!)..

ur first point : someone asked Imam AS on why he doesnt live a simple life like his grandfather Ali As.he simply replied tht if Ali AS was present at this v moment then Ali AS would also wear the sme clothes or live the same lifestyle.

Which Imam? So why are the bohris wearing dadhis and topis and not living in the present?

no one is bowin to the likes of modi. u guys love democracy so much right ? in democractic India modi is not a criminal.he is the chief minister of Gujrat.and the commission or court hs nt found him guilty til nw.so why spoil his nme ? or u hv found him guilty without a trial already ?

This response does not deserve an answer - I laughed to hard, my sides hurt!!! Read these posts:
http://www.sahilonline.org/english/news ... s&nid=7809
http://www.rediff.com/news/2005/mar/18modi8.htm

You and the Sayedna should change your names to Abde-Modi!

[bohri]

there is a protocal to seek knowledge frm Syedna TUS

Of course there is a protocol - it is called 'salaam' !!

[charmingrose]

bohri said :

This response does not deserve an answer - I laughed to hard, my sides hurt!!! Read these posts:
http://www.sahilonline.org/english/news ... s&nid=7809
http://www.rediff.com/news/2005/mar/18modi8.htm

You and the Sayedna should change your names to Abde-Modi!

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wht does ur link show that modi was denied visa to usa ? on this u base tht he is a criminal ? thousands do nt get visa to usa.so wht ? ur other link shows tht sme germans compared him to hitler n tht under his leadership riots happened.mumbai has been rocked by many bomb blast over the yrs.did the cm of maharstra do it ? a simple answer to has modi been convicted fr riots will show if he is a criminal or nt.i m waitin fr u to shw tht.

[charmingrose]

bohri said :
Of course there is a protocol - it is called 'salaam' !!

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this is a lie.i hpe u dnt reply back sayin u were only jokin.if tht were the case i have to say lots of jokers on this forum.

[charmingrose]

bohri said :

Which Imam? So why are the bohris wearing dadhis and topis and not living in the present?

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who said tht keepin a beard is nt livin in present ? i wil tell u smethin in simple terms.Imam As is the flesh n blood of Rasullah SAW..his actions are like actions of Rasullah SAW himself.. sme fr Syedna TUS who hs been appointed by Imam AS.we do not dispute his actions like we dont dispute actions of Imam As and Rasullah SAW and Ali AS. u cn call it brainwashed n mock me if u want to.i hve a simple argument against tht as then if u cll urself a muslim then ur also brainwashed into nt disputin the actions of Rasullah SAW.nw if ur nt even a muslim like fatwa person n hades then i would only say it all depends on faith.u cn mock my faith if u want to.bt tht will show u up as a shallow person.so choose ur words carefully.

[bohri]

CR

who said tht keepin a beard is nt livin in present ? i wil tell u smethin in simple terms.Imam As is the flesh n blood of Rasullah SAW..his actions are like actions of Rasullah SAW himself..

who are you referring to as "Imam As" ?

And don't be silly about comparing the Sayedna (AM) to The Prophet (SAW)

pS.. In case you did not figure it out.... AM = Abde Modi - a fitting title dont you think - since you think Modi is such a hero!

[anajmi]

charmingrose,

I am asking profastian about this knowledge. Maybe he was speaking the truth when he said that he has learned math in the waez. You obviously haven't learnt anything in waez otherwise you wouldn't be making excuses to just tell us what you learnt. If I have to seek all these razas to get this knowledge, and then after getting this knowledge, I am not allowed to distribute it to anyone, then what is the point? I don't think that is true. I just think that you didn't learn anything and hence are trying to avoid telling us. I think profastian has learned more than you. I will wait for him to respond.

profastian,

Please give me an example of what you have learned about Math from waez. After that we will move onto other subjects like Physics, Biology and Zoology.

Thanks in advance.

[SBM]

CROSE
nw if ur nt even a muslim like fatwa person n hades[

CROS
Now you are talking from both side of your mouth, Before you were defending Hades and wanted him back on the forum and now you are calling him Non Muslim
DO YOU KNOW YOUR FACTS?

[Al Zulfiqar]

gud one, bhai oma,...

now is the time to have rose admitted to saifee hospital alongwith profastian. the imam has just informed me to carry out the needful and syedna has agreed to treat her free of charge. thats the greatness of the imam and syedna at work.

[charmingrose]

omabharti said :

CROS
Now you are talking from both side of your mouth, Before you were defending Hades and wanted him back on the forum and now you are calling him Non Muslim
DO YOU KNOW YOUR FACTS?

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i am callin him a non muslim because i read he wrote tht he is non muslim just lik i read fatwa person sayin tht he is not even a muslim.as fr wantin him back on the forum , i believe in tolerance n fairness n i m nt bigoted unlik sme where they want to suppress other points of view esp. when the same shout tht they want transperancy.

[charmingrose]

zulfikar said :

gud one, bhai oma,...

now is the time to have rose admitted to saifee hospital alongwith profastian. the imam has just informed me to carry out the needful and syedna has agreed to treat her free of charge. thats the greatness of the imam and syedna at work.

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everyone clap again.zulfikar is really tryin to be funny.

[charmingrose]

bohri said :

who are you referring to as "Imam As" ?

And don't be silly about comparing the Sayedna (AM) to The Prophet (SAW)

pS.. In case you did not figure it out.... AM = Abde Modi - a fitting title dont you think - since you think Modi is such a hero!

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nt a very good idea to call Syedna TUS names on a prog bohra forum.now is it ? the fact tht u didnt hv any reply to whether modi has been convicted fr the Riots under Indian Law proves my point tht ur nt in touch with reality n r clutchin at straws to mud sling n defame others.do not profess to speak on my behalf.i never called modi a hero bt i dont defame him also unless the indian courts convict him...

[charmingrose]

anajmi said :

charmingrose,

I am asking profastian about this knowledge. Maybe he was speaking the truth when he said that he has learned math in the waez. You obviously haven't learnt anything in waez otherwise you wouldn't be making excuses to just tell us what you learnt. If I have to seek all these razas to get this knowledge, and then after getting this knowledge, I am not allowed to distribute it to anyone, then what is the point? I don't think that is true. I just think that you didn't learn anything and hence are trying to avoid telling us. I think profastian has learned more than you. I will wait for him to respond.

profastian,

Please give me an example of what you have learned about Math from waez. After that we will move onto other subjects like Physics, Biology and Zoology.

Thanks in advance.

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these r nt excuses.after gettin raza why u wnt to distribute it to others ? if the others want to attain ilm then they can also seek raza n go thru the same protocol.the ilm is fr ur own najat n ur own self.i advise u nt to take words of the ppl who u have learned frm n then try to educate others as u may make a mistake of twistin things or ur brain wouldnt hve understood it in the first plce.profastian may well know mre than me or he may nt.it is only ur opinion.i hv never been arrogant in sayin i know everythin bout Ali AS lik sme others on this forum.u may think wht u want bout avoidin , being selfish but the fact is no one is stoppin knowledge frm u .there is a procedure to attain ilm and seekin knowledge is never easy.nt easy in terms of worldly degrees n this ilm is much mre than that.

[anajmi]

charmingrose,

You think I haven't attended waez and sabaks? There isn't a single progressive over here who hasn't at some time or another attended a waez or sabak. We know what kind of knowledge is imparted in those waez's. I was actually playing with you. I know that I can bang my head against a wall, and it will respond, but you abde idiots will never be able to respond. You guys are nothing but a bunch of morons. You have no knowledge and that is why you keep throwing raza at whoever asks you about this "knowledge" of yours. The only math you know is when you have to argue with the Amil about how much sabil to pay and how much salaam to pay. The only zoology the syedna can teach is how to murder innocent animals for pleasure and how to serve boti kabab as kharas. I knew what your response was going to be even before I asked it. But I just wanted to show how full of crap you abde idiots are!!

If so much knowledge is imparted in those sabaks, kindly ask the Amil to teach you how to use quotation marks the next time you attend a sabak. It will make it easier for us to bear the burden of reading your posts!!

[charmingrose]

anajmi said :

charmingrose,

You think I haven't attended waez and sabaks? There isn't a single progressive over here who hasn't at some time or another attended a waez or sabak. We know what kind of knowledge is imparted in those waez's. I was actually playing with you. I know that I can bang my head against a wall, and it will respond, but you abde idiots will never be able to respond. You guys are nothing but a bunch of morons. You have no knowledge and that is why you keep throwing raza at whoever asks you about this "knowledge" of yours. The only math you know is when you have to argue with the Amil about how much sabil to pay and how much salaam to pay. The only zoology the syedna can teach is how to murder innocent animals for pleasure and how to serve boti kabab as kharas. I knew what your response was going to be even before I asked it. But I just wanted to show how full of crap you abde idiots are!!

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which nerve did i hit ? first of all u do nt hve tameez to talk to a woman.n ur hatred is really showin in ur post.do not lose control of urself.if u cannot tke other ppl's opinion then forums is not a right thing for u n ur only cmin off as a bigot person who has made his mind up bt then again he is tryin to flog a dead horse.

u r sayin tht i have no knowledge. so tell us about wht knowledge u have..follow wht u preach n substantiate ur claims.and why keep floggin the dead horse if u think tht no knowledge is imparted in sabaks n waaz ? as fr ur playin along..arent u older than a teenager ? do u get ur rocks off callin women idiots n morons anonmously on forums ??