Who Will Give Up Criticizing Other Sects ?

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what should combodians do?

[Muslim First]

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Jawanmardan, pardesi, MKhan

Read this carefully:
Removal of "Ali Sahi Allah" from Asal Dua, Nusayri

Also read whole Doctrines section of Ismaili.net

Please stop fooling us. We know what Nizari Ismaili faith is.

Further discussion will have to wait after Ramadan.

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[Muslim First]

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This is also interesting:

Significance of Ya Ali Madad
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[Muslim First]

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You want to read something bizzar!!

Daiet

And how about 330 Momins?
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[jawanmardan]

Please stop fooling us. We know what Nizari Ismaili faith is.

Further discussion will have to wait after Ramadan.

Muslim First,

If I do find that my self esteem ebbs to such a low that the opinions of the uncultured, uncivilised, unhinged matter to me; then rest assured I will make every attempt to sway the hollow echoing shell that sits so gracefully between your shoulders.

[jawanmardan]

Originally posted by anajmi:
Accidents Happen: Israelis Kill 892 Palestinian Kids

But what is more important. Obviously the Buddha statues. Why? Because we are all idol worshippers.

Anajmi, it would be nice if you'd keep the Reductio Ad Hitlerums off these pages. Your just digging a deeper hole for yourself.

[anajmi]

jawanmardan,

Is it true that Buddha is considered to be an avataar of Hazrat Ali by the Ismailis?

[turbocanuck]

Originally posted by anajmi:
jawanmardan,

Is it true that Buddha is considered to be an avataar of Hazrat Ali by the Ismailis?

Dear Anjali,
dont know about that.....but you are certainly an avataar of Forrest Bubba Gump!! with a diiference.....He was intelligent.
Loser......why dont you just disappear? or better yet, go get some virgins in heaven..

[turbocanuck]

Dear Jawanmardan,
Wahabbis on this board will refrain from attacking others during the holy month somewhat, but will resume spewing their venom once it is over..........another "khasiyat" of theirs, hypocrites............eat halal, perform salaat, go on a pilgrimage, fast in ramadhan, and then steal, rape, abuse, bomb innocents. They dont even have manners and etiquette. just go to the grocery stores in these neighborhoods, you will be pushed, shoved, groped and insulted by these illiterate thugs and their families. Basically no one likes them.
I have a very unique true incident happened in Toronto. There is a Masjid in Scarborough on Denison/Middlefield, which is known to officially spew hatred against Shias,Jews, Qadianis, Ismailis. Just adjacent to this Masjid lies a housing project for Sunnis. This project has small driveways named in Islamic themes. ALL the townhouses here have a minimum of 3 satellite dishes hanging from their windows. ALL the satellite signals that enter these homes are ILLEGAL!!! they are stealing signals. The Islamic supermarket next door offers programming for a fee of 20.00$ by a person wearing Islamic head covering to boot.!! THEN they tell you how pious and pure they are!! what a joke. stealing satellite signals, cheating on Taxes (i was offered a deal by these owners on CASH basis) so the government dont get taxes. Everyone does it. so dont bulshit us by saying how pure you are Anajma.!!
I will not say more, but all these mosques are under heavy surveillance, which will soon be exposed, and there is growing calls from the canadian public to throw these losers OUT of the country. They will soon have to remove the Naqabs (which by the way has no religious relevance) from identity procedures, be it a drivers licence, voting etc.

[Akbar Petiwala]

Assalamu alaykum.

128 replies later... Muslims are still calling names. How sad

How ironic is that the so called believers in one Allah s.w.t. shows no compassion for other believers in His Oneness?

If we consider ourselves to be the righteous one, why we pick only one sect for the fight of righteousnes and not other 71?

One final question - will this fight please Allah s.w.t. and how?

Allah hafiz.

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Akber: YOu too sounded very secterian. I can assume, either you an ismaili, or bohra. In either case you belong to a sect. If you belong to bohra, they abuse 3 caliphates day in and day out. if you are ismaili nizari, you dont follow proper islam, as laid out and accepted by main stream muslims.

we all belong to different sects, which are rather cults, bohras are a cult, as are ismailis, wahabis, sunnis and shias. same is true of all christians, and jews. Hidus too have cults among them. budhism is also cultish, it is kinder on the surface, but brutal from inside.

sects and cults came into being with hearsay, and self proclamation. All religions are based on heresay. Some one said, that allah said this and did not say this. our measurment of authencity is the person's character and intent.

IN one ayah it says, that you will never know the sex of the baby in mother's womb. In another ayah: it reads, that we have not given you the knowledge, when clouds will pour rain.

Now you can know the sex of the baby within week of the pregnancy. Now you can tell weeks before, when it is going to rain.

But there are things about human genome and physiq, that we may never know.

All the sects are superficial. No religion or sect can guanrantee hell or heaven. Just our perception. cults breed on our animal instinct. OUr grudge, greed, fear and urges.

Muslim first is wrong in calling himself muslim first, he is not, he is born to a human parents, so he was born human, and then he was muslimized.

how would you determine, what pleases allah and what not. Your pleasing allah is also based on hearsay, some one said some time, that it pleases allah, and you just took it, again your measurement of authencity is a hearsay long ago.

[anajmi]

accty,

Please do not display your ignorance of the quran over here. I have asked you many times that if you reference the quran, please post the ayahs. Which ayah of the quran says that you cannot know the sex of the child? Similarly, please also post the ayah about the clouds and the rain.

[anajmi]

Chances are, we won't be hearing from accty again. There is no such ayah in the quran.

[Muslim First]

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QUOTE From:
IMAMAT, AVATARS and EVOLUTION:

----Most Hindu’s then recognize Gautama Buddha as the ninth Avatar. However, according to Ismaili tradition, the ninth Avatar, said to be a man with leprosy, was Budh also called Honayd. He was the father of the biblical or historical Adam, the Adam of our Cycle whose advent was at around 4000 BC. This Budh was responsible for ending the previous Cycle and beginning the current one. This is as far back as our recorded history can trace.---
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anajmi: please read it. You have a disease of calling names and abuse, that shows your frustration.

http://www.islam-australia.iinet.net.au ... quran.html

[anajmi]

accty,

You are so stupid you don't read your own links before posting them.

Read this, this is from your own link.

"Verily the knowledge of the Hour is with Allah (alone). It is He who sends down Rain, and He who knows what is in the wombs…." [Al-Qur’an 31:34]

And a couple of lines below is the explanation -

It is true that many translations and commentaries of this verse of the Glorious Qur’an say that only Allah knows the sex of the child in the mother’s womb. If you read the Arabic text of this verse, there is no Arabic word corresponding to the English word ‘sex’. In fact the Qur’an says the knowledge of what is in the womb is with Allah alone. Many commentators have misunderstood it to mean only Allah knows the sex of the child in the womb, which is a mistake.

4. No one besides Allah can determine the nature of the child



This verse does not refer to the sex of the child in the womb but it refers to, how the child in the mother’s womb will be. How will his nature be? Will he be a blessing or a curse to his parents? Will he be a boon or a bane to the society? Will he be good or evil? Will he go to heaven or hell? The complete knowledge of all things is with Allah alone. No scientist in the world, no matter how advanced his equipment, will ever be able to accurately determine the knowledge of these things about the child in the mother’s womb.



Don't try to fool us. We know what you are!! (That doesn't mean we know what sex you are. I am not too sure about your sex but I definitely know the kind of person you are.)

[anajmi]

I apologize for calling you stupid, but you actually posted a link to the website which proves you wrong. It simply goes to show that your reading and understanding abilities are closer to one who is stupid.

[jawanmardan]

Originally posted by Akbar Petiwala:
Assalamu alaykum.

128 replies later... Muslims are still calling names. How sad

How ironic is that the so called believers in one Allah s.w.t. shows no compassion for other believers in His Oneness?

If we consider ourselves to be the righteous one, why we pick only one sect for the fight of righteousnes and not other 71?

One final question - will this fight please Allah s.w.t. and how?

Allah hafiz.

Akbar,

Salaam Wa Alikum

Given that Islam is renowned as a regressive and intolerant faith in the wider world, as well as many amongst our the most gifted youth.

One would have thought that the only responsible reaction by enlightened Muslims would be to take on the extremist fringe proactively. Instead of merely reacting to the next news reportage of violence, misogyny and torture carried out in our name.

We have a responsibility to Islam and to future generations of Muslims and non Muslims to unveil (pardon the pun) the putrefying disease that is their radical ideology. And work to define Islam and what it means to be a Muslim for ourselves.

This is not in any sense about petty sectarian issues; Isma’ilis vs Wahabbis that for me is water off a ducks back.

What is of greater significance is the use of violence and social coercion to impose a uniform religious identity, the eradication of historic and cultural monuments such as the Bamiyan Buddha, along with violence and misogyny against women, and the justification of suicide bombings against civilians as a legitimate form of protest all help in said imposition

My warmest regards.

[anajmi]

Look at how there is no mention of the eradication of history and culture in Iraq at the hands of the Americans by these so called "enlightened", idol worshipping "muslims". Neither is there mention of the hundreds of thousands of innocents displaced and killed by the American and Israeli atrocities. A major cause of these suicide bombings!! If these "enlightened muslims" were smart enough to look at the root cause of the problem we wouldn't have these problems. Apparently these "enlightened muslims" still have a few things to learn!!

[anajmi]

Something to do with Reductio Ad Wahabinum, I guess.

[jawanmardan]

Originally posted by anajmi:
Something to do with Reductio Ad Wahabinum, I guess.

Perhaps nothing, I was addressing the topic.

And word to the wise; if your gong to attempt to quote Staussian play of Latin, go read Strauss, and Latin. And not revert scouring the web for quick definitions, Wikipeadia? I'm right arnt I?

You then have the gall to try and replicate.
Your not smart enough and have only succeeded in being ironic, since you contradicted your previous statement. Nothing new there.

P.S that’s Strauss the Philosopher, not the composer if you’re interested.

Although since you view philosophy as heretical, it would perhaps be better for your immortal soul if you would stick to parroting Hadiths, and Ayah from Yusaf Ali.

Keep digging your hole Anajmi; at your current pace you’ll be in Shanghai by months end, enjoying authentic Chinese; Halal of course!

[anajmi]

jawanmardan,

Is it smart or stupid on your part to try and post something for me which you believe I am too stupid to understand? Perhaps, I think you are too stupid to understand the quran and the hadith and hence I resort to latin and greek so that "enlightened muslims" like yourself can enlighten themselves.

Quoting greek and latin to those who may not understand is precisely how the Ismaili logic works. It comes down from the top. It's not your fault.

[Muslim First]

One Ismali on Qur'an

From Wuzu

ShamsB
Joined: 04 Aug 2004
Posts: 390
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 7:27 pm Post subject: Re: wuzu

Farman of MSMS and MHI,
we should go to Jamat Khana having clean and simple clothes..and a clean heart. It is very important to have a clean heart versus washing our hands and feet..

Ginan of Pir.
Kapda Dhove so Kiya huva..dil dhove so paave..

another thing..i've noticed that you're quoting the quran in a lot of places on this board...
as an ismaili, the Quran holds little or no relevance for me.
The farman of the Imam supercedes the Quran.

Shams

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anajmi: again, you did not read it carefully, and you did not read my post carefully.

who is this person to say, when god said, he is the only one who knows, what is in the womb.
now put your brain to a simple test, when a woman is pregnant, the only one in her womb is a child. when god says, he knows what is in the womb, by every logcal conclusion, he does not mean, that he is the only one who knows, what is in the womb. everyone knows it is a child.

when he says that he only knows when clouds will rain, he means he is the only one..

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anajmi: you should stop discussing, you are not wothy of any discussion. You have a problem of just seeing your nose.
what does the verse say:
"Verily the knowledge of the Hour is with Allah (alone). It is He who sends down Rain, and He who knows what is in the wombs…." [Al-Qur’an 31:34]
first you said, there is no such verse, then when i gave you the verse, i acutally posted this link, because the author had the same metal capability as yours.

how did come by what he said, a fragment of his own imagination.

[anajmi]

accty,

You said

IN one ayah it says, that you will never know the sex of the baby in mother's womb. In another ayah: it reads, that we have not given you the knowledge, when clouds will pour rain.

Does the verse that point out mention sex of the child? No it does not. So when I said there is no such ayah which mentions that Allah only knows the "sex" of the child, I was correct. The word "sex" does not occur in the verse that you pointed out. Please point out a verse in which sex of the child is mentioned.

Also the ayah says nothing about Allah being the only one who knows when clouds will bring rain. The ayah only says that it is Allah who sends down rain. There is no mention of when, just who. Now please don't prove your stupidity by telling me that it is the clouds and not Allah that send down the rain.

This is my last post to you on this subject. Those who have the capacity understood it after my previous post, you won't understand till the end of days.

[turbocanuck]

dear Accty,
dont waste your time & knowledge on losers on this board. they seek attention. instead of bettering who they are, waste our time in telling us how much of "kaffirs" we are. They are a waste of space as human beings, no one would miss them if they disappear, no one likes them so they come here and seek validation.

peace brother....
turbonut

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HI porous: what do you say about the ayah I posted. am i right to conclude what i did.

[porus]

accountabilty,

13:8 could mean that God alone knows what each pregnant woman is carrying. While the word "alone" does not appear in the ayat, the context clearly implies that only God knows it. Of course, God, by definition, knows a lot more about the child that the pregnant woman is carrying than just its sex.

Modern technology allows us to know with a fair degree of accuracy about sex and other genetic factors of the child. Some diseases like the Down's syndrome are easily identified.

So, while you are correct in saying that humans, in addition to God, can know what sex a child is, it is imperative that we recognize that we cannot know what the future holds for the child. That knowledge is for God alone.

Similar comments apply to 31:34.

However, in 31:34, although wombs are mentioned, no female/woman is mentioned as in 13:8. Thus, one could have a metaphoric interpretation of wombs in this ayat. God only has to say "Be", and an entity comes into creation instantly. However, man may not be able to percieve that entity in God's time. For humans, God's thought of his creation needs to incubate in his mind. So what God has created in his now is the future for us. So the 'womb' is metaphorically all future for man but known to God instantly.

[anajmi]

This is the problem with the muslims of today. Here we have a muslims who claims to pray 3 times a day and fast during the month of ramadan, quoting falsehood about the quran from anti-islamic web sites and then asking a disbeliever to validate his claim.

The issue of whether God is implying the sex of the child in the ayah as claimed by accty, was dodged by porus. Imagine how easy it was for porus to find the metaphoric interpretation of "womb" in the ayah but how difficult it was for him to find the meaning of "what" is in the womb, when the true batin would actually lie in the "what" and not the "womb".