What is the use of Bohras Zakaat?

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Mkenya
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Re: What is the use of Bohras Zakaat?

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Unread post by Mkenya » Mon Jul 07, 2014 9:06 pm

Asante sana ndugu yangu......Tafadhali pokea salamu yangu yakheri katika mwezi wa Ramadhani.....Sisi binafsi lazima tu chonge njia moja kwa moja kutoka moyo wetu paka Muenzi Mungu.
(Transalation: Thank you very much my brother. Please accept my good wishes on the month of Ramadhan. We should strive to carve out a straight path from our heart to God.)

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Re: What is the use of Bohras Zakaat?

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Unread post by seeker110 » Mon Jul 07, 2014 10:22 pm

Any money given to these people is similar to robbing the poor and hajitmand. Avoid this sin in this Holy month. Please refrain from helping this Yazeedi family.

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Re: What is the use of Bohras Zakaat?

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Unread post by Nafisa » Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:53 am

Nafisa wrote:It is ripe time that every Bohra should ask first himself what is the use of his Zakaat? When he get answer and reached the conclusion that his Zakaat is fully using for Haraam Khawri and Ayyashi of residents of Saify Mahal, he should immediately stop funding so called Dai and his family.
From this Ramadan I will not pay them.

I must address to the mouth Piece of the Nazim Dai (Wagar Nass Na Putla) !
Shame on you and your master. All uplift cry and so-called scholarships are fraud schemes. No full scholarship for community children. Ask your Moula to learn the meaning of charity from Ismaili Nizari Imam Aga Khan whom he loves to copy only in self glorification and his projection. Don't attack Aga Khan, if he is spending money that is his pure wealth, and not looted from his community. He is a real prince, designated by England, France, Austria, Germany etc, while Mufaddal is a fake “His Holiness”, which is not inherited designation. Aga Khan is not an international beggar like Mufaddal Saifuddin, who round the year remains busy in looting money from the Bohras and even not spare poor Hammal.

Current Dai is a descendent of beggars. Read the history of Dawat, 50th Dai Abdullah Badruddin collected money as a beggar from early morning till Zuhr Namaz, daily. He visited every shop of Mumbai Bohras and begged them to spread his Saya: "Bhai ! Dawat Par Qarz Chey Utarwa Ma Madad Karo"
This Qarz + Sood was due to the Ayyashi of 47th Dai Abduqadir Najmuddin who spent Qarz amount lavishly on the weddings of his children. After him 48th Dai Abdulhusain Husamuddin and 49th Dai Muhammed Burhanuddin and 50th Dai Abdullah Badruddin added in that Qarz more. This huge amount was paid with bulk Sood by the Mukhlis Dawat Khidmat Guzaars in the final phase of 50th Dai Abdullah Badruddin. 51st Dai Taher Saifuddin was found of grandeur and luxury. Soon after his appointment, he migrated Mumbai only in the lust of wealth. He converted Dawat into family business. His greedy children helped him fully to build an empire becoming Vampire for the community.

For your kind information, I am Dawoodi Bohra, studied in Jamea Saifiya, Surat and passed 9 Darajah. My father, uncles, grandfather from both side were Aamils. Why I have compared with Aga Khan is not my fault. Often my Asatiza in Jamea compared like this:
Aga Khan Ni Misal Moula Ney government Ye protocol Apu, Ajab Moula Ni Shaan Chey
Aga Khan Buildings banavi award Apey Chey, Ane Moula Ye Tu Fatemi Asaar Banawi Muslemeen Ne award Apu Chey.
Jem Aga Khan Nu Band, Scout, Girls guide, Guards Chey Eaij Misal Apna Moula Nu Bhi Chey.
TV,News Papers Ma Jaim Aga Khan Nu Awey Chey Tem Apna Moula Nu Bhi Awey Chey.
Governor,CM,Prime Minister, President Jaim Aga Khan Ne Maan Patar Ape Chey Tem Moula Ney Bhi Ape Chey.
List of comparison is long, what can I do?

Is it a sin to recognize the services of Aga Khan, he is doing for entire humanity?
Is it a crime to acknowledge the light spreading and darkness of illiteracy is disappearing by Aga Khan worldwide through his numerous institutions and generous scholarships?
Perhaps our three Dais, 51st, 52nd and current disputed 53rd have spend only 10% of their earnings from Zakaat funds for such welfare works, even only for the community, then today poverty graph should be low. If two years total collection of Zakaat is distributed among poor class Bohra then the situation would be changed. O Besharam! If Zakaat of the community used properly then poor residential colonies in slum areas must be shifted in good locations in each cities, where Bohras are living today like dogs.

Bohra women are not found of prostitution, nor our girls love to become call girls. No one loves to enter into the hell of prostitution. Can I explain how and why a woman accepts worst then death life? When she observed her parents are dying without medicines and no source of income and even Aamil give them Shifa Tawiz and Tasbeeh of Ya Tahir 215 times and Ya Muhammed Burhanuddin 92 times and say Moula Nu Wasilu Laiju, Shifa Thasey, then the poor girl has no way except drink bitter cup of death in the form of prostitution. Go and see outside of every Bohra Mazaar in India you will find Mumineen beggars with tearful eyes. To hear their painful facts you couldn't control your sentiments.

I have observed lives of nasty Qasre **li very closely. They are bunch of evils. Their source of survival is fresh blood of Mumineen only. Unless they will not shoot by firing squad, Bohra will not be free from the clutches of Satan. Read history of Russia, France, China etc, you will get answer.

Stop funding Kuthaar or provide them less amount just to maintain your account and remaining large amount you should spend in charity from your own hands. Allah is great and see your intention and also observing the crime of the leader. He will give Jaza both, as per deed.

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Re: What is the use of Bohras Zakaat?

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Unread post by think » Tue Jul 08, 2014 4:53 pm

yes, do not give zakaat but what about sila fitra. they say this is a must and has to be collected by the kothar. can any one explain sila fitra and whether other muslims also have to give sila fitra every year and if so , who do they give their sila fitra to. With sila fitra the goonda jamaat of atlanta collects compulsory salaams for dai, mazoom , mukasir and a few of the higher ups in the goonda heirarchy. My question, is this really mandatory requirement just so you can be called a bohri.

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Re: What is the use of Bohras Zakaat?

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Unread post by Mkenya » Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:52 pm

think: Salaams for Dai, Mazoon........etc. are collected at Fitra payment times is not new. It used to be totally voluntary and only for the Dai. In recent years not only the Atlanta 'goondas' but their kin all over the Bohra world has piggy-backed on this additional revenue stream. Like the unaccounted millions of Rupees, Dollars, Euros, these funds land in the pockets of the ayaans and other hangers-on in Kothar and Jamaat administration. To try to answer your question: They make the rules and they are mandatory. Any attempt to wriggle out of paying or ask for justification will have dire consequences. You have two options. Pay up and shout 'Ganu JIwo Maula' or head for the exit and shout 'Jaan Chuti'.

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Re: What is the use of Bohras Zakaat?

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Unread post by Bohra spring » Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:08 am

Nafisa Ben , that is such an emotional charged life blended with experience comment . This Ramadhan people like you, Saminaben, UmmulBani Ben , MMH , and many more have joined the ranks of resistance by your vigour , courage and unique style of commenting that many men would not have in their biology , I salute you all. I hope you inspire other women, moths, sisters and daughters to take the frontline of reforming and enlightening the passive sufferers.

I am very careful not to slip words like dxxxxxl :P like sometime back.

May Allah TA protect and reward you for your striving for liberating the Bohra sisters and Jamaat .

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Re: What is the use of Bohras Zakaat?

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Unread post by tasneempati » Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:27 am

Use Of Bohra Zakaat :
Luxurious & levish life style of so called Qasre Aali members (( Pillas & Pillis in lnaguage of Abde Hussaimu)). Equally applicable to SMS/SKQ camps.

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Re: What is the use of Bohras Zakaat?

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Unread post by humanbeing » Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:40 am

Use of Bohra Zakaat :
Funding Shikaar trips
Chartered flights & helicopters
Bribing Politicians
Constructing Dargah Resorts
Constructing Profit Making Institutions ( Hospitals, Schools)
Donations to earn convenient degree titles
Support freeloading Qasre-Aali and Baite Zainee families

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Re: What is the use of Bohras Zakaat?

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Unread post by silvertongue » Thu Jul 10, 2014 5:36 am

I personally feel that Women always plays an important part in the world. Look out the roles of Hazrat Khadija a.s. Hazrat Fatima a.s. or Hazrat Zaynab a.s. They are the best role models for any women in the world. And how they dedicated their lives for Islam and truth. We need these kind of women in our community as well to push this darkness out. and pity on those who think women cant make a difference, Hazrat Fatima a.s. and Hazrat Zaynab did..

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Re: What is the use of Bohras Zakaat?

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Unread post by Rebel » Thu Jul 10, 2014 8:59 am

tasneempati wrote:Use Of Bohra Zakaat :
Luxurious & levish life style of so called Qasre Aali members (( Pillas & Pillis in lnaguage of Abde Hussaimu)). Equally applicable to SMS/SKQ camps.
Lol...what is pilla & pilli? I believe it is some sort of derogatory word but what does it mean? It is fact all the money looted from us is used for luxury lives and running dawat institutions of MS and his extended family. They purchase lands and business for themselves and their children and this investment from our money provides them more money in form montly rents etc.

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Re: What is the use of Bohras Zakaat?

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Unread post by SBM » Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:04 am

what is pilla & pilli? I believe it is some sort of derogatory word but what does it mean
It is name given to the offspring of a Dog

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Re: What is the use of Bohras Zakaat?

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Unread post by think » Thu Jul 10, 2014 10:17 am

is sila fitra also a coined up word of kothar or is it in all sects of islam. what is this sila fitra that has to be paid for every member of the family?

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Re: What is the use of Bohras Zakaat?

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Unread post by Ummul Bani » Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:22 pm

Br think,
think wrote:is sila fitra also a coined up word of kothar or is it in all sects of islam. what is this sila fitra that has to be paid for every member of the family?

Sila fitra is amount paid to the clergy in the name of the hidden Imam. It is collected from every bohra without an exception and is seen as a fulfillment of the responsibility towards the Imam. In my opinion, this is just a concept created to churn out cash.

It is not part of other sects in Islam. As much as Im aware, other sects have something called as " Zakat al Fitra" which is directly given to the needy and poor.
"Zakat al Fitra" is not to be confused with the usual " Zakat" to be paid during Ramadan. It is another independent donation.

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Unread post by think » Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:41 pm

Thank you umul bani for this information. one can just sum up the numbers. every year this sila fitra goes up. Last year it was around $16 per person.

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Re: What is the use of Bohras Zakaat?

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:40 pm

Let me reproduce a post from this forum which gives an insight to the various taxes collected by the Dai in the garb of Islam :-

Bohra 'Taxes'

The Dawoodi Bohra religious establisment has seven taxes that are levied on its members during their life-span, before birth and after death. They are as follows:

(1) Sila : Sila literally means keeping contact. This is supposed to be collected as an offering for a hidden Imam who will appear one day & the amount would supposedly be passed on to him. However, it goes into the private coffer of the priest family. This is unique to the Bohras and is not found in any other Muslim community, nor has it anything to do with the teachings of Islam as such.

(2) Fitrah : It actually means payment at end of fasting month of Ramadan. This was ordained by the prophet and is meant for the poor so that they can also partake of id celebrations along with the others. Its quantum is supposed to be a few measures of grains or monetary equivalent thereof and is a humanitarian measure. The general Muslims pay fitrah directly to the needy person a day before id. However, the Bohras are compelled to pay to the priesthood in cash which goes straight to line the silken purse instead of to the needy. The rate is enhanced every year in view of the inflationary pressures.

(3) Zakat : This obligatory payment enjoined by the Holy Qu'ran and the Prophet Mohammad fixed it at 2.5% of ones wealth and income at the end of an year. It is supposed to be spent on the poor, the needy, the orphans. The widows, the travellers, for manumission of slaves and for paying off debts of indebted. As per the Qu'ran it is taken from the rich as an obligatory levy and paid to the poor and needy. It is, as it would be seen, a great humanitarian and welfare measure which was conceived by Islam much before the concept of welfare state came in existence. It was no charity but a compulsory levy for the rich. Generally the Muslims (pay Zakat) directly to the needy in their own country. But the Bohras are not free to do so. The payment is to be compulsorily made to the Syedna who adds it to his family's income without any compunction. The poor and needy among the Bohras and there are hordes of them contrary to general impression cannot dare ask for their share which is their due.

(4) Khums : It literally means one fifth. As per the Qu'ran the one fifth of the war booty was to be taken by the Prophet for his family's maintenance and also for performing functions of a head of community. However, it remained prevalent among the Shia communities. The Shia used to pay one fifth of sudden gain to their Imam from the progeny of the Fatima the Prophet's daughter. The Bohras of course now pay to the high priest who is not Imam ( but a dai i.e. his deputy)

(5) Haqqun Nafs : It literally means payment for the salvation of the soul. It has nothing to do with Islamic teachings. There is no mention of it in the Qu'ran. This was invented by the Da'is. No dead among the Bohras can be buried without paying this tax. On paying this tax the priest gives ruku chitthi (note to God) for the salvation and for entry into the paradise. This note is kept on the chest of the deceased and buried. A Bohra, the priesthood insists, cannot enter paradise without this note from the da'I addressed to God, even if he had been highly virtuous and pious. Payment to the high priest is a must. The extent of payment generally depends on the financial status of the deceased and real hard bargaining is done by the priesthood in the matter.

No Bohra can ever be buried without this payment The relatives of the dead face lot of harassment and forget their own sorrow, and worry more about this payment. It is most inhuman practice and deserves to be strongly condemned. It amounts to dishonouring the dead and the sentiments of the bereaved for personal greed. It can be compared with the sale of indulgences by the Pope during medieval ages. Perhaps it is more inhuman. Many dead bodies remain unburied for hours until the bargaining is finalised.

(6) Nazar Muqam : it is a vow money kept aside in fact for payment to the needy. The present high priest takes it away too and now in the form of compulsory levy. He regularly exhorts the Bohras not to insure themselves or their business as the same is haram (prohibited) in Islam. Instead they should spare vow money and pass it on to him. Every Bohra family is coerced into paying some amount of nazar muqam every year. This also has nothing to do with the teachings of Islam. It was more of an individual belief converted into compulsory levy for the priestly family's unsatiable greed for wealth.

(7) Salam and payment for titles : In addition to all these compulsory levy a Bohra also has to give 'voluntary' personal offering to the high priest which may vary from a few thousand to a million depending on the financial capacity of the person concerned. The high priest may also decide to award a title to any rich or middle class Bohra and demand capricious sum for it which also may run into few lacs to few crores. It becomes for a Bohra a question of his Izzat (social respect and prestige) and he can hardly refuse.

Taking population of the Dawoodi Bohras, over a million, into account it is safe bet to say that the high priest and his family yearly collects hundreds of crores by way of these taxes and 'voluntary' payments. As pointed out above, the collection of these taxes is done very efficiently and systematically. Like the government taxation authorities notices are issued to the 'assessee' and he is required to pay up before the given date. If he fails to pay, marriage, burial or any other function in the 'defaulting' family is held up. If one goes for marriage or burial outside the domain of the high priest's authority i.e. in or through reformists or other community, the person would face total boycott which is most dreaded by the Bohras. Thus the Bohras have no option but to pay the Bohra religious establishment. Thus there is hardly any 'defaulters'. All the payments are of course in black money. More they collect more their coercive power increases.


Over and above the above taxes there are a few more which are to be compulsorily paid by bohras to kothar. They are :-

1) Dai's Salam.
2) Imam-uz-zamaan Salam.
3) Amils Salam.
4) And Now the Mansoos' Salaam.

All of the above are paid in the broad heading "Wajebat" (meaning Compulsory). Till recent past the bohras were also required to pay towards construction of Saifee Hospital for quite a long period of time.

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Re: What is the use of Bohras Zakaat?

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Unread post by seeker110 » Thu Jul 10, 2014 5:29 pm

Diff., envolopes going in the same thela. No sense in breaking it down. All for the benefit of one family. They all are apajh. Physically, mentally and spiritually. They like Moviya and follow his life style.