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Qadir is chu**** people like him doesnt know real-world realities what all they know is maula and his shiity plans.

he doesnt even know that possiblly loan was interest-free but they could not pay that off as well.

Suicide is a big sin.

However the person who reaches a stage where the issue is unsolvable and taking ones life is a way out is terrible.

Please don't judge the victim unless you are an expert or faced a major difficulty.

Suicide is a common occurrence in today's life pressures.

This person must have tried to get out of his situation but was unable to.

Question is how many other families out there are reaching a level of frustration that they are considering suicide. They need help.

May be Just May be
If STF followers who have more educated followers would consider starting a hotline to prevent Depression-Suicide or just to have some one to vent off their frustration and anger.
I am aware of few Psychologists in SMS camp but they can not start as SMS will not give RAZA instead will tell them to do ONE MILLION TASBIH OF MUFFADAL MOULA

Hope people in Authority listen
Br Qadir- do you agree with Qarda E Hasnah scheme and how it is distributed??

http://www.dawoodi-bohras.com/forum/download/file.php?mode=view&id=3925

SBM wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 8:15 am May be Just May be
If STF followers who have more educated followers would consider starting a hotline to prevent Depression-Suicide or just to have some one to vent off their frustration and anger.
I am aware of few Psychologists in SMS camp but they can not start as SMS will not give RAZA instead will tell them to do ONE MILLION TASBIH OF MUFFADAL MOULA

I don’t know what world you live in. If we started a hotline we’d be flooded with prank calls by the same people who are kicking dogs. Also, other than the 50K+ who listen to STF waaz, most people may be too afraid to have anything to do with us. The scare mongering bas been that successful.

Br OO53
Seems like you have NO Solution other then just kicking the bucket and asking MOULA whether it is STF or SMS to help you
How do you know people in STF camps are not going thru the same Marital Problems. I know and used to speak to one who migrated from SMS camp to SKQ camp and now back to SMS camp and he was contemplating suicide because he was going thru a very difficult time and there were many old timers from both side of the fold who used to post here know about it and we all spoke to him to make sure we can help him and did
If People agreed to your reasoning- there would be NO suicide Prevention hotlines
DO YOU THINK THAT ATLEAST OUR AAMILS CAN BE INSTRUCTED BY DAIS TO TALK ABOUT THESE ISSUES IN WAIZ INSTEAD OF TALKING ABOUT LIFE HEREAFTER

Bhai Qadir
I am ashamed that we have a Mumin family-who did follow Farman of Moula Muffadal by doing tehzin of Ashara and then decided to end their life.
do you know why Dahod/Godhra Jamaat did not give him Qard e Hasanah? or may be they did and local Qardan Hasanah committee put pressure on them to pay it back otherwise they will humiliate them in Jamaat. Qardan Hasanah committee and our aamils are doing this kind of things to scare people to pay back even when person do not have money to pay back.
I am more ashamed that you did not show any respect for the mumineen family and instead of asking for their Maghfarat, you called them Munaafiq and Ghunegaar..
May be Moula Muffadal does not know about this otherwise he would have helped the family, when our Khidmatguzars served the meals during the lockdown to everyone and Moula gave so much money to Modi for prime minister relief fund, I am sure he would have done if local jamaat or Aamil would have made the Araz for this family, whether it is Gunnaha or other problem, I will ask you and everyone to do dua for their Maghfarat and ask for Allaha to forgive them

even a dead brain and dead zamir abde is woken up by this incident but chu**** Qadir is still worst kind.

Shabab wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:29 am even a dead brain and dead zamir abde is woken up by this incident but chu**** Qadir is still worst kind.

I am so happy with language by Bhai Shabab so now we know that this is how Taher Fakhruddin is teaching them.

abde53 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:31 pm

Shabab wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:29 am even a dead brain and dead zamir abde is woken up by this incident but chu**** Qadir is still worst kind.

I am so happy with language by Bhai Shabab so now we know that this is how Taher Fakhruddin is teaching them.

Oh please Shabab is just the virus making his 100th id on this forum. Please do not mistake him for a follower of STF.

SBM wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 8:41 am Br OO53
Seems like you have NO Solution other then just kicking the bucket and asking MOULA whether it is STF or SMS to help you
How do you know people in STF camps are not going thru the same Marital Problems. I know and used to speak to one who migrated from SMS camp to SKQ camp and now back to SMS camp and he was contemplating suicide because he was going thru a very difficult time and there were many old timers from both side of the fold who used to post here know about it and we all spoke to him to make sure we can help him and did
If People agreed to your reasoning- there would be NO suicide Prevention hotlines
DO YOU THINK THAT ATLEAST OUR AAMILS CAN BE INSTRUCTED BY DAIS TO TALK ABOUT THESE ISSUES IN WAIZ INSTEAD OF TALKING ABOUT LIFE HEREAFTER

SBM, the families that have stood with SKQ and STF are rock solid. The Fatemi Dawat community is there for each other and when it makes sense to have a hotline, we will have a hotline. The burning issue in our community is not suicidal ideation, that's the other community that you are thinking of You know...the one with all the power and money.....

If someone was contemplating suicide, it because instead of reaching out to Haq na dai for guidance and dua, he went and spoke with people who made him weaker and full of self pity. I hope that wherever he is, he is happy with the compromises he has made.

abde53 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:31 pm

Shabab wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:29 am even a dead brain and dead zamir abde is woken up by this incident but chu**** Qadir is still worst kind.

I am so happy with language by Bhai Shabab so now we know that this is how Taher Fakhruddin is teaching them.

As I suspect are you. You are also the virus..What do you say Zinger?

I realize my last post was a little harsh but don't get me wrong. I was just condemning the act and decision taken by parents to end their life and their kids'.

All the religions in the world condemn suicide. And having faith in Allah includes having faith that if one door closes other will open. A lot of people are in debt some more than this mumin bhai. But they don't all commit suicide. Someone said that it takes courage to end one life! Really?
It takes tremendous courage to fight your battles and have faith in god.

I am not saying that the situation they were in was not a difficult one. And I hope the truth comes out. I have agreed in past that the dawat administration isn't perfect and i hope that this act finally bring about positive changes in qardan system. But that doesn't mean that we should say that the move they took was right or even the appropriate because it just wasn't.
Their actions went against shariat and quran and literally every religion.

ajamali wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:50 pm

abde53 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:31 pm
I am so happy with language by Bhai Shabab so now we know that this is how Taher Fakhruddin is teaching them.

As I suspect are you. You are also the virus..What do you say Zinger?

I do agree. Abde writes words that makes me think its the virus. He was writing Taher Saifudddin instead of Taher Fakhruddin.

Qadir wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:52 pm I realize my last post was a little harsh but don't get me wrong. I was just condemning the act and decision taken by parents to end their life and their kids'.

All the religions in the world condemn suicide. And having faith in Allah includes having faith that if one door closes other will open. A lot of people are in debt some more than this mumin bhai. But they don't all commit suicide. Someone said that it takes courage to end one life! Really?
It takes tremendous courage to fight your battles and have faith in god.

I am not saying that the situation they were in was not a difficult one. And I hope the truth comes out. I have agreed in past that the dawat administration isn't perfect and i hope that this act finally bring about positive changes in qardan system. But that doesn't mean that we should say that the move they took was right or even the appropriate because it just wasn't.
Their actions went against shariat and quran and literally every religion.

you are so so wrong....so so so so wrong. It is not the job of the administration to fortify our souls with the message of courage - especially during Ashara. It is the job of the Moula. And he is missing in action BIG TIME!

Qadir, this is how a dai guides his followers....

https://youtu.be/V9GR1e4SPqs

ajamali wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:58 pm Qadir, this is how a dai guides his followers....

https://youtu.be/V9GR1e4SPqs

I hope you believe that STS was the rightful dai. I am quoting him from his waaz in Ashara, "Tamari zaban badlai jase, to deen ma farak pari jase"

Now its ok if the janabs in USA use English words and phrases so that the younger generation understands what they're trying ro convey. But still the primary language of sabaq and waaz is Dawat ni zaban. However your "dai" is conducting this sabaq series with English as an alternative. That's clearly going against the wishes of STS

And i think the rightful dai is one who forgets his personal problems and pains to uphold deen. SMS did that last year in colombo ashara even after suffering a fall.

Now if he thought that this year mumineen should take barakaat of three dai's waaz then it's his call to make.

Qadir wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:10 pm

ajamali wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:58 pm Qadir, this is how a dai guides his followers....

https://youtu.be/V9GR1e4SPqs

I hope you believe that STS was the rightful dai. I am quoting him from his waaz in Ashara, "Tamari zaban badlai jase, to deen ma farak pari jase"

Now its ok if the janabs in USA use English words and phrases so that the younger generation understands what they're trying ro convey. But still the primary language of sabaq and waaz is Dawat ni zaban. However your "dai" is conducting this sabaq series with English as an alternative. That's clearly going against the wishes of STS

It is better that his message gets across rather than not get across at all! Please don't cherry pick what STS said. STF has not changed his language, he has provided an alternative - as you yourself admit. Our children listen to both English and dawat ni zabaan and Arabic. It helps with the language learning as well.

Our duat have always adapted in history. When they moved to India, they did not insist on Arabiyat but switched to the local language to do dawat. In Thailand, waaz is always done in both Lisaan ud Dawat as well as in the local language, since Burhanuddin Moula's zamaan. The important thing is to convey a message. Quite honestly your objections are pathetic!

Qadir wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:18 pm And i think the rightful dai is one who forgets his personal problems and pains to uphold deen. SMS did that last year in colombo ashara even after suffering a fall.

Now if he thought that this year mumineen should take barakaat of three dai's waaz then it's his call to make.

hahahaha the fall......right....we remember when the donkey fell off the horse....or pretended to....apparently this year the massages in Bandarawela are proving too problematic in terms of fitting with a waaz schedule...

Qadir wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:10 pm

ajamali wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:58 pm Qadir, this is how a dai guides his followers....

https://youtu.be/V9GR1e4SPqs

I hope you believe that STS was the rightful dai. I am quoting him from his waaz in Ashara, "Tamari zaban badlai jase, to deen ma farak pari jase"

Now its ok if the janabs in USA use English words and phrases so that the younger generation understands what they're trying ro convey. But still the primary language of sabaq and waaz is Dawat ni zaban. However your "dai" is conducting this sabaq series with English as an alternative. That's clearly going against the wishes of STS

Br Qadir,
I am surprised that your questioning the use of English to spread the Islamic Knowledge in this world. What about the Dais from Yemen who came to India, did they continue to preach in Arabic?

Echo from the five who left us:

Insaan hein ghir gaya hein zameen ke ḳhudaon mein
Hum ne bhi din guzare thei daraḳhton ki chaanw mein
Sar rakh ke so gaye hei ghamon ki salib par
Hum ko sukoon hei hijr ki thandi khizaon mein

Qadir wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:52 pm I realize my last post was a little harsh but don't get me wrong. I was just condemning the act and decision taken by parents to end their life and their kids'.

All the religions in the world condemn suicide. And having faith in Allah includes having faith that if one door closes other will open. A lot of people are in debt some more than this mumin bhai. But they don't all commit suicide. Someone said that it takes courage to end one life! Really?
It takes tremendous courage to fight your battles and have faith in god.

I am not saying that the situation they were in was not a difficult one. And I hope the truth comes out. I have agreed in past that the dawat administration isn't perfect and i hope that this act finally bring about positive changes in qardan system. But that doesn't mean that we should say that the move they took was right or even the appropriate because it just wasn't.
Their actions went against shariat and quran and literally every religion.

you have still not answered what is the punishment for abetment to suicide?

Where is MS

I just noticed that ITS app collects my data and shows my exact location from the self scan button. So basically amil or some one who wants to know where I am at particular time they can know it.

Unstalling ITS app today.

Shabab wrote: ↑Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:29 amWhere is MS

So they can see where I am 24 7 but dont want to disclose where is MS?


Wow

Just turn off your location service they wouldn't be able to track. Secondly no one has bothered to question anyone if they question you tell them where to go

ANOTHER MUMIN BHAI PARESHAN KURLA JAMAT

What happens if MS passes away without doing an open nass on any one?

Can we expect one more law suit?

Just asking. I am not interested in any one death. But want to know how messy it can get further.

ajamali wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:50 pm

abde53 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:31 pm
I am so happy with language by Bhai Shabab so now we know that this is how Taher Fakhruddin is teaching them.

As I suspect are you. You are also the virus..What do you say Zinger?

honestly, i dont think abde 53 is the resident virus.

i have a knack for smelling that creep, from his/her/it's 3rd or 4th post usually, like i did with Shabab and Red Box but i dont thing Abde53 is