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He would instuct Imamain Hasan and Hussain to feed iftaar to all the rozdaar from his personal savings.

Great
So can you tell us if Dai of Ali has spent any money from his savings (his savings ) to feed Iftar.
Everytime he says Moula ni taraf sey jaman chey that means that Community is paying the Huub for the Niyaz.
Really Syedna and his goons ever paid anything from their own savings for that matter did they ever earn their own salaries?

Invictius wrote:

UnhappyBohra wrote:Heard Muffu's waaz. The boy needs to move on. Kept harping about SKQ's absence in janaza and even said lanat. Is that his biggest grudge aganst SKQ? That he did not show up for janaza?! What about the fact that you did behurmati of your father in his final days? That you were out galavanting in Sri Lanka spending people's money on overpriced property when your father lay taking his last breath. At least SKQ had the decency to say his final good bye in quiet deference before the circus came to town.
We all caught you trying to force SMB's hand on his neck for shahadat and him brushing you away...Muffu boy, you need to examine your own actions first. Your waaz is a yawner man.

Why do you go then? If you feel something wrong is happening, stand up for it? Stop it? Join the reform movement? Why are you scared? Allah will protect you if you are right. Don't you have faith in Allah?

My showing up in Muffu's Waaz has nothing to do with the fear of Allah. I go for the same reason that the last two safs go. Our wives have a hard time outside the bohra caccoon. I went even when I was traveling because my host dragged me. 21st night I prayed at home and listened to SKQ vasila. The man knows how to do doa. Straight from the heart. Alhamdolillah!

UnhappyBohra wrote:

Invictius wrote: Why do you go then? If you feel something wrong is happening, stand up for it? Stop it? Join the reform movement? Why are you scared? Allah will protect you if you are right. Don't you have faith in Allah?

My showing up in Muffu's Waaz has nothing to do with the fear of Allah. I go for the same reason that the last two safs go. Our wives have a hard time outside the bohra caccoon. I went even when I was traveling because my host dragged me. 21st night I prayed at home and listened to SKQ vasila. The man knows how to do doa. Straight from the heart. Alhamdolillah!

Horrors! I have to agree with Invictus. You need to stand up for your beliefs UnhappyBohra. You obviously think of SKQ as your Dai. Take a stand. Stop going for Mufaddal bhaisab's yawners. I hope that some day Allah grants you the courage to follow your heart.

Is it correct that MS did the chhammasi Jaman on the eve of Amir ul mumineen's shahadat although the chhammasi was 3 days earlier?

If yes then it means combining the occassions to do one Jaman as SMB made it a custom to do Jaman on 19th. shameful that you can't afford an extra Jaman for the previous Dai & your father while advicing others to do zyada si zyada Jaman for sawab

Now they are asking for Happy Birthday NAJWA on 23rd night ........... that too, as usual, FAKHIR ............ what happened to 'celebrating' Muffat-Dal birthday with that of SMB??
Secondly, in Toronto it has been announced that we will have the AZEEM USHAN 'SHARAF' of listening to Waseela of Muffat-Dal on 23rd which is BETTER than praying 1000 rakat namaz ..........!!!!!! and we will 'recite' munajats and do matam ............... so in other words on 23rd there is NO praying of any namaz except the washeeq. In a year or two this 23rd will be turned into a big 'tamasha' and 'pomp and show' of Muffat-Dal like they have done with Muharram and Ashura.

Bohras and particularly abdes are dumb, for any reason ......... and they are destined to doom, very soon.

Darji:

So there were darjis for clothes. What about mochi for juta, suthar for wood work, loohar, kumbhar, hajam, zadoowala, nice to learn what trades were being practiced there.

Out of respect, do not laugh. Funnier things are going to be coming. Soon shan chhe?

MUSTAPH wrote:Ghulam muhammed you have made up false story about abbasbhai sabuwala commiting sucide for vajelybaat is merely to defame DB but from where did you get this calulations. there are no conditions laid down for zakat ul fitr. the minimum amount is one SA(four double handsful) of food grains or dried fruit for each member of the family. cash eqvivalent of food weight may also be given if food collection n distribution is unavailable. so finally both are just making an extra buck on it.

You seem to puzzle me and other members nowadays and makes one wonder as to where your loyalty lies because you come out with meaningless accusations. Regarding the Surat incident I have already answered you on that thread and regarding "Fitra" post, please read the same in FULL before opening your mouth as it is clearly mentioned that the same is a watsup msg and not some random calculations made by me.

Invictius wrote:

Moiz_Dhaanu wrote:Heard the 19th waaz reluctantly , but am glad i did so cause i was able to add to Shz MS's list of gaffes .
In the bayan when he was mentioning about Moulana Ali's simple life he said and i quote "Moulana Ali aakhri dino ma thigdaa waala kapda pehenta thaa, (sobbing) pacchi to itla thigdaa thay gaya ke darji bija thigdaa bhi Kahaan maare ?"
In English : In his final days Moulana Ali used to wear ragged clothes to such an extent , that when those clothes worn out , the tailors were unable to patch it up any more.
All my life i heard Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin(RA) say this particular bayan in such a respectful manner , that tears would roll down our eyes.
This is how he always mentioned it with such respect : "Moulaana Ali khuda ni raah aaakhri dino ma saglu khrach kari deta , wahan tak ke purana libaas pehenta and phaati jaay to aap thigda siwi ne eej pehenta ".
In English : Moulana Ali used to spend all his wealth in Allah's path till such an extent that he even wore old clothes and when they got torn , he used to patch it up himself and wear it again".
Just observe the vast difference in presenting the same bayan(totally disrespectful). I was shocked when he used the word "Darjee" (Tailor) ..bcoz never in my whole life had i heard SMB(RA) ever mention that word while telling this incident.
When an adna bohra like me can call this out then any sensible abde should be aghast by this disrespectful manner of waaz done Shz MS..
Shz MS has no dai like qualities.

You liar. Shut it man. It is one thing that you criticize. Another when you criticize without any basis. Maula TUS DID NOT SAY THAT. Please stop twisting facts in ways that suit your malicious intentions. If you haven't heard or are unsure of the contents of the vaaz, refrain from posting, or say : "this is what I 'think' I heard in the vaaz".

Maula TUS said and I translate: " Maula Ali in his last days in Shere ramadaan would spend all his time in ibaadat. He would instuct Imamain Hasan and Hussain to feed iftaar to all the rozdaar from his personal savings. Maula Ali would not spend anything on himself and would wear old clothes which had lots of tears. Maula ali would stitch these tears himself, and if these tore again, he would stitch those tears again." I have been witness to this with full attention and I can testify that Maula TUS didnt mention the word 'darjee' at all. Your last line quote is totally incorrect and speaks only volumes of your distaste and hatred of Maula TUS. I suggest you attend some other vaaz or pray at home. We do not require people who do not have the most basic and important of all islamic tenets- Walayat.

Invictius , calm down man!! have u not heard Moulana Ali's saying  "Gusso aql ne khai jai chhe" .. You might want to 
preserve what ever little u have remaining  :) Calling names like 'liar' will not change what was said in waaz .

On the subject of me twisting bayan , i doubled checked with the recording of the waaz which came in our masjid (now you know how well connected i am) 
and am 100% sure of the "Darjee"(Tailor) being introduced by Shz MS in his bayan , which never ever was said by Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin(RA) in 
his whole lifetime. 
Chances are that you were dozing off ,which most ppl do becoz of the lack of content in Shz.MS waaz. 
But relax!! its not your fault that you missed the conjuration of the "Darjee"(tailor) line , most of the abdes dont even have enough common sense to 
actually understand that there was "Behurmati"(disrespect) done in the way the waaz was done . 

Keep in mind, it is Moulana Ali that we were remembering , not some bhaisaheb wherein you can use any words(like Darjee) or such language. 
Anyways, I heard what i heard(and reverified) , you may keep on jabbering me on this forum , i have nothing but only sympathy for your kind. 

Besides that i am sure you also have forgot that he said in the Waaz. 
"Junaa kapda ma jem ghana kaana(holes) padi jaaye , ej misal moulana hussain na jism par itna ghaav lagela" 
In English : Just like there are numerous holes in old worn out fabrics , similarly there were numerous injuries on Moulana Hussain's Body 

I dont Understand Why does Shz.MS always have to bring an insignificant material worldly objects to corelate with such holy incidents. 
He has done this on many previous occasions too. This is not how a Dai does baayan.. 
These kind of references i would expect from small time aamils and mullas. 
Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin(RA) never used to do such disrespectful analogical comparisions. 

Also since you mentioned Walayat.i would like to remind that valaayat for each Rutba and Hud(including Dai) should be maintained..if it goes beyond or below a certain level its called Kulu and Gulu(and both are unacceptable) 
What would you say to the fact that in the waaz , a madeh prayed by a Mr.Bhol went something like this 
"Nikle Khuda ko dhundne , paaye Mufaddal ko" now that is blasphemy according to me. It would have been allowed if he said 
"Nikle Imaam ko dhundne , paaye Mufaddal ko". Anyways if you want to do valaayat till it becomes "Shirk", you are most welcome to do it.  


By the way did you get a chance to call up Shz.Aliasger bhaisaheb and Shz.Qasimbhaisheb(both of whom also happen to be childhood teachers of Shz.MS) 
that its not valid to pray Farizat namaz near the Turbat mubarak of Syedan Taher Saifuddin(RA), that too when imaamat namaz was being conducted 
in the adjacent Fatemi masjid by Syedi Makasir saheb. 

Moiz_Dhaanu wrote: Chances are that you were dozing off ,which most ppl do becoz of the lack of content in Shz.MS waaz

Actually chances are that by now, the "Darjee" clip of the bayan has been deleted, as they are now masters and trimming, cutting, pasting and doctoring audio- video clips.

alam wrote:

Moiz_Dhaanu wrote: Chances are that you were dozing off ,which most ppl do becoz of the lack of content in Shz.MS waaz

Actually chances are that by now, the "Darjee" clip of the bayan has been deleted, as they are now masters and trimming, cutting, pasting and doctoring audio- video clips.

Invictius wrote: You liar. Shut it man. It is one thing that you criticize. Another when you criticize without any basis. Maula TUS DID NOT SAY THAT. Please stop twisting facts in ways that suit your malicious intentions. If you haven't heard or are unsure of the contents of the vaaz, refrain from posting, or say : "this is what I 'think' I heard in the vaaz".

Maula TUS said and I translate: " Maula Ali in his last days in Shere ramadaan would spend all his time in ibaadat. He would instuct Imamain Hasan and Hussain to feed iftaar to all the rozdaar from his personal savings. Maula Ali would not spend anything on himself and would wear old clothes which had lots of tears. Maula ali would stitch these tears himself, and if these tore again, he would stitch those tears again." I have been witness to this with full attention and I can testify that Maula TUS didnt mention the word 'darjee' at all. Your last line quote is totally incorrect and speaks only volumes of your distaste and hatred of Maula TUS. I suggest you attend some other vaaz or pray at home. We do not require people who do not have the most basic and important of all islamic tenets- Walayat.

Here's evidence for invictus that MS did say Darjee ....and then in a massive fail tried to compare ameerul mumineen's clothing to the body of abbas alamdar "jem ke kapra par kaana pari gaya hoi..." sigh....I did not know whether to cry over the supreme sacrifice of abbas alamdar or at my misfortune that I was listening to this clumsy comparison.

Stop sleeping in your Moula's bayan Invictus! You can see from the bayan that you have paraphrasing of MS is way more cogent than it deserves to be. It is your good fortune that you heard this from Burhanuddin Moula many times or you would never know what the man is talking about! I pity my kids...

New naara :
Roti Roti moula moula
Chapaati Chapaati moula moula
Thaali Thaali moula moula
Dubba Dubba moula moula

Something of this sort was shouted out in the 19th waaz of Shz MS


Moiz Bhai Dhaanu well nothing such has been said in the waaz.although i am not a supporter of Mufaddal Bhaisaab but still i feel that we must not spread false rumours.please stop spreading hatred.let us not try to divide the community.let people for themselves decide who is right for them.it can be anyone either Qutbuddin Moula or Mufaddal Bhaisaab.Eventually everyone will find the truth as time passes.

Ghulam bhai i appreciate & recognise your effort of getting some inside information & pictures but that does not mean that you spread rumours.i have seen many of your posts which you claim as "received on watsup".most of these msgs I FEEL are not whatsapp msgs instead they maybe creation of your own mind.i humbly request you not to do this.i know that being a progressive you have many issues with the system and it can be anyone for that matter either qutbuddin moula or mufaddal bhaisaab but that does not mean that we spread false news.

I request everyone to please verify & then post any news.

.

let us not try to divide the community.

Who are US? it is the two DAIS who are dividing the community.

No live relay this time? Recording of SMB being shown.

AgnosticIndian wrote:No live relay this time? Recording of SMB being shown.

So much the better.

watsup msg :-

Another supersonic comparison.



Ma Fatema 70 din ma Rasulallah ne jai ne mala......... 69 tamam thaya ane 70 mi raat hati....... itna arsa lag aansu bahaavi ne sheesha ma jama kidha.....

Fatema na Dai ye ej shafaat taraf isharo kidho...... shafaat ni raat lailatul qadr ma janaya........ ane ek dai ye aap ne 69 years tak taiyyar kidha....... 69 tamam thaya ane 70 mo varas aayo tiwaare dawat na arsh par bethaavi ne sidhari gaya...

Goya ke Fatema na aansu no sheesho apna saamne haya nateka 53 ma dai ni surat ma maujud che...

Ye sheesho je Fatema ni qabr ma maujud che...... ye apni qabr ma aawse !!!! Pachi shafaat nu su puchwu.

Lailatul Qadr Mubarak.

ghulam muhammed wrote:watsup msg :-

Another supersonic comparison.



Ma Fatema 70 din ma Rasulallah ne jai ne mala......... 69 tamam thaya ane 70 mi raat hati....... itna arsa lag aansu bahaavi ne sheesha ma jama kidha.....

Fatema na Dai ye ej shafaat taraf isharo kidho...... shafaat ni raat lailatul qadr ma janaya........ ane ek dai ye aap ne 69 years tak taiyyar kidha....... 69 tamam thaya ane 70 mo varas aayo tiwaare dawat na arsh par bethaavi ne sidhari gaya...

Goya ke Fatema na aansu no sheesho apna saamne haya nateka 53 ma dai ni surat ma maujud che...

Ye sheesho je Fatema ni qabr ma maujud che...... ye apni qabr ma aawse !!!! Pachi shafaat nu su puchwu.

Lailatul Qadr Mubarak.

unfortunately this aansu no sisu story is not really reliable.

watsup msg :

There were 2 bayans on this auspicious night of lailatul qadr. One was the recorded sermons of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin who spoke in a very polite tone and his message was that we should not humiliate or insult any of our mumin brothers and sisters. He said that we should respect every mumin.

After a few minutes another live bayan and munajats of Muffy mola where Muffy's elder brother spoke and straight away shot laanat on the dushmans i.e. SKQ and clan. I started wondering that these guys don't follow their own sermons (Father telling us to respect mumins and beta Muffy insulting and abusing his own uncle and his family).

Money is the first thought on their mind, they move around the Masjid with jholas so that mumin can put some fakhir rakam and dogla bohras agreeing to these tricks of money making business. There was no bayan whatsoever about the importance of this night but the only praises were for SMB and Muffy and the stupid bohras were crying like asses. I cant see any bright teachings by the Muffy clan but only ditching the stupid bohras. Wake up people from the hypnotism of Muffy mafia before he wipes off all your assets and elopes ! They are making a lavish living with the aid which you people are giving by cutting down your necessities.

In the name of ALLAH,

its been 7 years I have not appeared for misaaq specially from the day I have really understood what misaaq is and what it actually means.

but even for those who appears for misaaq regularly here is good news, you guys are not in misaaq if following conditions are not fulfilled.


1 ) complete understanding of misaaq and what you are asked to say "Naa'm"

2) did you loudly recite Naa'm and really agreed on conditions?

3) was you under some pressure?

4) was you mentally fit to understand what you are doing?

5) even if all above conditions are approved our misaaq remains for Imam and if any so called dai is violating basic concepts of islaam by any means, our misaaq is null and void at the same moment.

Muhammed (s) also took misaaq but there are conditions which fulfilled misaaq, I was watching this video and got this knowledge, there is a science involve in process of misaaq.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7X2p0uN9JI

AmmarHussaini wrote:In the name of ALLAH,

its been 7 years I have not appeared for misaaq specially from the day I have really understood what misaaq is and what it actually means.

but even for those who appears for misaaq regularly here is good news, you guys are not in misaaq if following conditions are not fulfilled.


1 ) complete understanding of misaaq and what you are asked to say "Naa'm"

2) did you loudly recite Naa'm and really agreed on conditions?

3) was you under some pressure?

4) was you mentally fit to understand what you are doing?

5) even if all above conditions are approved our misaaq remains for Imam and if any so called dai is violating basic concepts of islaam by any means, our misaaq is null and void at the same moment.

So how would it be benefited to us or what loss it will make to them?

Until and unless flow of money is not stop nothing is going to change so whether we are in misaq or not does not make major difference to them nor us.

most of the people I meet and talk about this they have psychological barrier, that they have given misaaq and because of this they think they cannot say or do any thing because they have swear in Allah name to support dai in every conditions and situation.

Fortunately i havent given misaak to our new Batman..

there is misaak at our mosque today, but I will not go as I do not wish to give an oath of alliegience to a chor,fraud and an illiterate 7th grade failure.

silvertongue wrote:Fortunately i havent given misaak to our new Batman..

Nooo! You ruined the Dark Knight for me! Please, no unfair comparisons.

P.S.: Unfair to Batman i.e. He my fave superhero.

People should start sting operations against these people. Series of it to dvpiss these people

Heard that there is some conflict going on between Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin and Qaid Johar bs... Any insider info on this?

wise_guy wrote:Heard that there is some conflict going on between Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin and Qaid Johar bs... Any insider info on this?

Isn't that old news?

Mazoon position may be the reason of conflict between 2 which i guess is in favor of malekul ashter.

Why? Share your sectets?

In every sermons and lectures, Muffadal mentions about absence of SKQ saheb on the funeral of SMB saheb (RA).
This clear indicates that he had received the letter which SKQ saheb had sent him before approaching them the Muffadal Clan.
Now i think he is misusing the emotional sentiments of people of him being absence, where as in the letter he clear wrote that i will come but not as a spectator but as a person with the highest authority who will conduct the funeral rites of his predecessor.
If Muffadal conveniently says that at least he should have showed up for his brothers funeral, " WOULD MUFFADAL BE SO CONSIDERATE AND LET HAVE DONE SKQ MAZOON OF DAI THE FINAL RITES." But no, all these are tactics and gimmicks.

In psychology they teach people how to judge people according to their expression and with Muffadal goofing up and making horrendous mistakes clear indicates, that their is a thief and misdeeds inside him, which he cannot hide in front of 1000s of people.
I am said to say but Bohraism has become same as all the other dhongi baba type religions, where baba takes full advantage of his followers as a cult leader. May Allah give guidance and taufeeq.