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[Aarif]

Pardesi,

When it comes to writing idiotic posts the other two cohorts are no match for you. If you would have read my post it was clearly addressed to Admin asking him not to close this thread and it had nothing to do with you.

I am also, waiting for your reply. In fact I am NOT satisfied with your stupid answers as I have found some interesting facts about the father of your Imam which I will present to expose your lies once you come back with a reply.

[znanwalla]

Areef,

If anyone is retarded and deficient, it is you and your own cohorts ! You did state clearly that you were waiting for pardesi to reply to your questions and which he has done now effectively, as far as i believe.

The couple of issues that you raised have been addressed using Islamic references, including the Quran.

The Imam's father was not the Imam and so his own personal life has no direct relevance to Imamat...just the way the Prophet's own son in law was a Kaffiroon who constantly waged wars aganst the prophet and sometimes the prophet's own daughter used to give ransom to release him too and this had no relevance to Prophethood, the same rule applies to Imamat also ?

Kindly stick to the issues raised as being the subject matter under discussion and which brother pardesi has conclusively addressed....we are not afraid of your "threats" and never will be - ...the questions you asked have been answered....

If you wish to open any new threads then open them outside this discussion but don't bring extraneous issues into the current one ....also remember that if you expect us to answer your questions, you also need to answer ours too !...lets see who are the idiots then ?...zn

[Aarif]

also remember that if you expect us to answer your questions, you also need to answer ours too !..

ZN,

I do not remember asking you any questions... Hence, I do not see the need to reply to your BS. Also, when I am clearly addressing the post to Pardesi, please let him reply instead of you acting as his proxy. And my ID is Aarif and not Anajmi so please stop calling me Najmi...

[pardesi]

Pardesi,

When it comes to writing idiotic posts the other two cohorts are no match for you. If you would have read my post it was clearly addressed to Admin asking him not to close this thread and it had nothing to do with you.

I am also, waiting for your reply. In fact I am NOT satisfied with your stupid answers as I have found some interesting facts about the father of your Imam which I will present to expose your lies once you come back with a reply.

Aarif,

First of all the name doesn't suit you, change it. Your post was addressed to admin, however, you mentioned that you were awaiting my response, sort of implying that I am not going to, and I did respond to you. What was so idiotic about it?

I fail to undestand your statement where you said you are "waiting for your reply" and "I am NOT satisfied with your stupid answer". The two sentenses contradict each other. Make up your mind. Finding "interesting facts" about the father of my Imam is no discovery. Everything is right there on the internet, right or wrong, good or bad, for everyone to read. Before you post any of that make sure you do your research as you do not have much of a foot left to bite.
Prophet Mohammad's father and grandfather were idol worshipping kaafirs (so some say), did that make the Prophet unworthy of prophethood?

Peace, brother!

[Aarif]

First of all the name doesn't suit you, change it. Your post was addressed to admin, however, you mentioned that you were awaiting my response, sort of implying that I am not going to, and I did respond to you. What was so idiotic about it?

Pardesi,

Thanks for the suggestion. Being completely alien to Islam you have atleast chosen the right name.

Secondly I only wrote that after the Admin posted the following:

amajmi/znanwalla,
Please stop repeating yourself. If you can't move the discussion forward the we'll have close the thread.

Now is it so difficult for you to understand this basic communication? Are you looking for some hidden translation out here also?? Let me end it by saying that I meant what I said and it was addressed to the Admin...

I fail to undestand your statement where you said you are "waiting for your reply" and "I am NOT satisfied with your stupid answer".

Pardesi,

Even though I know you guys are skating on thin ice I have to ensure that you do not blame me of walking out of the debates in every alternate post of yours. And I have told you in the past that I give equal opportunity to everyone on this forum to engage in a debate with me. Ismailis are included in that...

Finding "interesting facts" about the father of my Imam is no discovery. Everything is right there on the internet, right or wrong, good or bad, for everyone to read. Before you post any of that make sure you do your research as you do not have much of a foot left to bite.
Prophet Mohammad's father and grandfather were idol worshipping kaafirs (so some say), did that make the Prophet unworthy of prophethood?

tsk tsk... You are pretty good at making cocktail... See how you mixed up things. Prophet's father and grand father were born before Islam came into being. Father of your Imam was born as a son of a Muslim Imam. If he did not follow Islam what can one expect from other Ismailis like you... I am glad you wrote this. Even though every thing is there on the internet you being a blind follower like Gulf and Jayanti will not believe it... Using your own qoute from other thread where you had mentioned that you can take the donkey to pond of water but cannot force him to drink... I am just trying to make you drink the water of reality which will open your eyes if you will use your senses...

[znanwalla]

Who can be atually alien to Islam....Pardesi or you? You have no Book of Allah ! No Imam to guide you ! and your Pillars of faith do not have ADL either !....so in disobeying the prophet and rejecting the Book of Allah which HIs prophet brought, you have alienated yourselves in totality with Allah and the religion the prophet brought to mankind....so I am not sure why you are still barking? You should be showing remorse and shame instead if you had any decency inside you for disobeying Allah and mocking his prophet and Ahl al Bayt !...zn

[znanwalla]

Where is the cocktail save in your own imagination....does it alter the reality that the prophet's father or grandfather were infidels ? No it doesn't ! does it alter the fact that the prophet's own daughter was married to an infidel who waged wars against him? No it doesn't ! or does it change the fact that the Prophet did marry some 12 wives from which one was a Christian and the other of Jewish origin and yet your text seems to say only 4 are allowed?.....what has all these material or worldly relationships got to do with the spiritual world? Nothing ! don't try to muddy the waters unduly with your rhetoric and believe that you will rattle us in some way....find some others - not us !...zn

[znanwalla]

Skating on thin ice and us? you must be kidding ! do you think anyone who is clinging firmly to the TWO precious things the beloved Prophet left behind for them, would worry about anything? nah ! keep on dreaming ! ismailis are sitting on the Noah's Ark ! They have the Book ! They have the Imam ! and they also have ADL as part of their Pillar of faith !....You have neither and so logically the ice at your end is melting slowly and make sure you don't go under as the Quran does say that Allah will chastise you now that Muhamad is no longer amongst you....have you read this ayah? go and ponder over it then !...zn

[anajmi]

ismailis are sitting on the Noah's Ark !

Nuh (as) and his family and all the animals got off centuries ago but the Ismailis are still sitting on the ark.

[znanwalla]

Yes indeed ! that is because the Holy Prophet of islam has likened his Ahl al Bayt to Noah's Ark ! That is why it is now becoming clear that you do not even follow the Prophet's religion and so your claim that you follow his tradition or sunnah is also perhaps bogus !...zn

[anajmi]

Well, in that case, I am also sitting on Nuh (as)'s ark. I revere and respect the ahlul-bayt just as much as any true believing muslim should without worshipping them.

[anajmi]

Besides, respect for the ahlul bayt is not the same as worshipping Aga Khan. They are not connected. A person could be a follower of the ahlul bayt without being an Ismaili. Infact a non Ismaili follower of the ahlul bayt would be a better follower cause he isn't committing shirk by worshipping a human.

[znanwalla]

Najmi,

Showing love and reverance to the prophet and his family is stressed both in the Quran and even in the Sunna..." SAY I ask of you no reward for this save love for the kinsfolk" and so "al-mawadda fi'l qurba" referencing the word "qurba" here means those close to the prophet and not your won relatives as you so falsely claim, as it is the prophet himself making this request ! When the people of Ansar came to the prophet to ask what they could do for him in return for what he had done for the muslims, this ayah was revealed !

Thus loving the Ahl al Bayt in addition to it being a great honour is also a cause of remaining always in their proximity and it is a sign of faith !

It is an obligation of faith which you lack !

As far as i am concerned you are a hypocrites who love nobody ! and I have told you not to mention the name of the Imam in your discourse with me as we are not discussing any individual line of Imamat !

There are different ways of revering and honouring the Ahl al Bayt....yours is full of hypocrisy and lip service and lies and thus not the same as ours but it does not mean that we worships anything else other than the NOOR itself !

Anyone who pursues the physical forms and variant texts is an idol worshipper like you and some others do and then they bark at the world showing their own frustration ....Nur e Imamah is the Rope of Allah and is from HIS Essence and is etrenal and so you don't have to worry about what the ismailis do as it is none of your business....As far as you are concerned you have No Book ! No Imam ! and Pillars of faith too are incomplete and lots of hypocrisy and boastfulness ! Worthless indeed !...zn

[znanwalla]

Najmi,

If you are an expert on what shirk is then open a thread and take me on ! Infact most of you are idol worshippers and polytheists - you only think you are pious ! Nah ! you are hollow and bankrupt ! You partner so many things with God for God - the exalted stands alone ! He is nameless ! HE is beyond comprehension ! he is beyond understanding ! and wherever your own intellect and reasoning reaches it is everything EXCEPT God ! and yet you claim you can have a relationship with Him directly !

You are simply conjuring false Images and then saying this is or must be God ! You have partnered that Image with God ! On average you partner atleast 99 different things to HIM when He is not what you think HE is as that merely is in the figment of your own wild and pathetic imagination !.....you are simply hopless and retarded ! That is the reality pal !..You are lost on the wild seas ! and Allah will chastise you as Muhamad is now no longer amongst you ...it is in the Quran and HE never lies as you know......like I said the ice is melting at your end.....zn

[anajmi]

As I said before, stop pushing Aga Khan as ahlul bayt. He is not ahlul bayt but just a pretender. The quran says nothing about Aga Khan. Go home.

[turbocanuck]

As I said before, stop pushing Aga Khan as ahlul bayt. He is not ahlul bayt but just a pretender. The quran says nothing about Aga Khan. Go home.

Or else what?? And what will you do if we still believe so? Are you trying to bully us? go crawl under a rock!!

[turbocanuck]

Najmi,

Showing love and reverance to the prophet and his family is stressed both in the Quran and even in the Sunna...

Showing love?? They will dance around the fact that the Prophet Muhammad is portrayed as a Psychopathic Murderer, Pedophile, Wife abuser and a Lier. They find that okay!! when i question them about it, they say i will never understand the true meaning of these Hadith!! is there ANY other meaning to......"And he beat hard on my chest, i lost my breath" can you interpret that any different way? or..........."Aisha 9 years old and was playing with dolls when she was summoned to the room by the women to consummate her marriage to 57 year old Prophet" is there any other way to interpret that? OR "kill him"....is there any other way?? The Jury is out in many quarters where they (scholars) are debating abandoning the fllthy Hadith altogether. Only a matter of time. They are just that HYPOCRITES. At the mention of Bukhari et al: they will go into this moronic stupor that boggles ones mind.........The ONLY reason they are what they are is that THEY ARE ENVIOUS AND JEALOUS!! they actually hate themselves, their self-esteem is in the pits. They dont have anything to look forward to except demean others. Look at their collective 12 thousand postings........laden with insults, filth and hate.

[Muslim First]

Turbo

This is most idiotic post from you I have ever seen. Not worth commenting.

[anajmi]

here means those close to the prophet

The Sahabas were close to the prophet. They fought with the prophet and died for the prophet and Islam. Do you know how much love and respect they get from the Ismailis?

Now, my contention is simple. Everything that our quran says is the truth. Remember, you have only been able to quote our quran. Not once have you quoted your quran. So our quran speaks the truth about the prophet and his sahaba and his wives. Our quran says nothing about Aga Khan. Aga Khan does not play a major role in the affairs of the Muslims. His role is that of an administrator who collects money and then distributes some of it to those that need it. Simple. He infact has absolutely no say in the affairs of the Muslims. He hasn't been able to influence any Muslim country. During his "Imamat" terrorism has been on the rise. If he were the Imam, then Allah would be very dissappointed with him.

Now our quran says this

Praise be to Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds;
Most Gracious, Most Merciful;
Master of the Day of Judgment.
Thee do we worship, and Thine aid we seek.
Show us the straight way,
The way of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy Grace, those whose (portion) is not wrath, and who go not astray.


We have to ask Allah to show us the straight way. Does it say to ask Aga Khan to show you the straight path? Naah!!

Our quran also says this

This is the Book; in it is guidance sure, without doubt, to those who fear Allah;
Who believe in the Unseen, are steadfast in prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them;

(Does it say spend from that which you collect from others like the Aga Khan does? - Naah)

Our quran also says this

When it is said to them: "Believe as the others believe:" They say: "Shall we believe as the fools believe?" Nay, of a surety they are the fools, but they do not know.
When they meet those who believe, they say: "We believe;" but when they are alone with their evil ones, they say: "We are really with you: We (were) only jesting."

The Ismailis come here and talk about believing the prophet but what happens behind the closed doors of the jamatkhana? Are they praising the prophet? Naah!!
The true muslims keep their doors open for everybody to come and see what they say or do.

Now consider this ayah

And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant, then produce a Sura like thereunto; and call your witnesses or helpers (If there are any) besides Allah, if your (doubts) are true.
But if ye cannot- and of a surety ye cannot- then fear the Fire whose fuel is men and stones,- which is prepared for those who reject Faith.


How many times have I asked Ismailis to tell us what their quran says. Have they been able to produce one ayah of this quran they keep talking about? All the Ismailis together haven't been able to produce a single ayah from this quran. Who do you think this particular ayah of the quran applies to?

Now consider this ayah from our quran

Allah disdains not to use the similitude of things, lowest as well as highest. Those who believe know that it is truth from their Lord; but those who reject Faith say: "What means Allah by this similitude?" By it He causes many to stray, and many He leads into the right path; but He causes not to stray, except those who forsake (the path),-

Who are the ones who are trying to figure out the similitudes and apply them to their fake leaders? What does Allah mean by light upon light? Are we asking these questions? Naaah. Are the Ismailis asking these questions? Yaaah. Does this ayah talk about Ismailis? You figure it out.

I am just getting started over here. A lot more to come.

[anajmi]

This is something I gathered from znan's posts. This is basically the condition of every post of that moron. No substance. Just abuses.

Here is a sample and this was gathered from only two posts above in this thread. It's too bad the Admin is reading only anajmi's posts. Maybe the Admin should be sending some private messages to znan as he does to me to protect the Ismailis.

you are hollow and bankrupt
your own wild and pathetic imagination
you are simply hopless and retarded
You are lost on the wild seas
you are a hypocrites who love nobody
yours is full of hypocrisy and lip service and lies
then they bark at the world
lots of hypocrisy and boastfulness
Worthless indeed

[turbocanuck]

Turbo

This is most idiotic post from you I have ever seen. Not worth commenting.

You just did.........that's idiotic

[turbocanuck]

When Allah says, "believers".........does He say Anajmi??.NAAAHH!!

[turbocanuck]

This is something I gathered from znan's posts.

you are hollow and bankrupt
your own wild and pathetic imagination
you are simply hopless and retarded
You are lost on the wild seas
you are a hypocrites who love nobody
yours is full of hypocrisy and lip service and lies
then they bark at the world
lots of hypocrisy and boastfulness
Worthless indeed

So true......Hey!! couldnt have said it better!!

[Muslim First]

Turbo

I am glad you agreed with me.You said:

.......that's idiotic

[Muslim First]

Br. Anajmi said:

The Ismailis come here and talk about believing the prophet but what happens behind the closed doors of the jamatkhana? Are they praising the prophet? Naah!!

I can show from the pages of Ismaili.com that Ismaili Taqiya assigns secondary role to Prophet SAW. Some of them claim that his role was only to reveal Ali.

Ali is firstand Avatar of all Hindu gods also Ali is the one who created Big Bang.

[Aarif]

Ali is firstand Avatar of all Hindu gods also Ali is the one who created Big Bang.

Br. MF,

You are right.. In fact they replaced Allah with Hazrat Ali and Prophet with Imam. Here is a qoute by an Ismaili from Ismaili.net

at that Time Muslims always said "As Salam Wa Le Kum..." , today as Shia & Ismaili we say YA ALI MADAD we we meet each other, so??

And the link for the same is as follows:

http://www.ismaili.net/html/modules.php ... pic&t=1424.

[anajmi]

Admin deleted this important point that I was trying to make so here it is again. If the Admin deletes this post, I will post it again and I will keep doing it till the Admin suspends my ID. I won't blame Admin to be biased cause then he will simply say that it proves that he is on the right path.

These ayahs apply to Ismailis like znan,

And believe in what I reveal, confirming the revelation which is with you, and be not the first to reject Faith therein, nor sell My Signs for a small price; and fear Me, and Me alone.
And cover not Truth with falsehood, nor conceal the Truth when ye know (what it is).

What do the above 2 ayahs say? They say these things - confirm the revelation which is with you and don't conceal the Truth when ye know.

Now what do the Ismailis do? They hide. znan was asked many times about providing the final revealed ayahs of the quran. What did she say? She said that she will never reveal those ayahs. She refuses to share the supposed "true" Ismaili quran and says that Hazrat Ali went agains the above commandment of Allah and hid the quran from everyone. The above ayahs prove the Ismailis are liars. They are a slap on the faces of the Ismailis. Alhumdulillah.

[turbocanuck]

Turbo

I am glad you agreed with me.You said:

.......that's idiotic

So that means Anajmi, Arif and MF are one and the same person..........it came out. BUSTED!!

[turbocanuck]

Now watch the posting by MF disappear!! Ha h ah ha........

[turbocanuck]

They are a slap on the faces of the Ismailis. Alhumdulillah.

The first slap on the Wahhabi's face is Obama appointing Rahm Emmanuel as the Chief of Staff..who's Rahm Emmanuel???

Emanuel was born in Chicago, Illinois. His father, the Jerusalem-born Benjamin M. Emanuel, is a pediatrician and was a member of the Irgun, a militant Zionist group considered a terrorist group by the British and the New York Times during the British Mandate of Palestine, before the founding of Israel

That is the first slap for all those who thought Obama is a Muslim and he will be all that the terrorists wish.......