Abdes -any bohra websites which impart any knowledge?

[anajmi]

charmingrose,

I have a lot of knowledge. But Al Zulfikar hasn't given me the raza to give it to you. Besides, knowledge can be demonstrated when you discuss a topic that requires knowledge. Something that sabak fed abde morons are incapable of doing. And I know how to talk to morons like you. You should've let profastian respond instead of butting in. Now I am going to respond to every nonsense post of yours. And how do I know you are a woman? You might be an Amil or a shehzada hiding behind the garb of a woman. Most women I know are 10 times smarter than you. I do not call women idiots. I only call idiots, idiots. If you are so scared of getting beaten up, then you shouldn't come to these forums.

[charmingrose]

anajmi said :

charmingrose,

I have a lot of knowledge. But Al Zulfikar hasn't given me the raza to give it to you. Besides, knowledge can be demonstrated when you discuss a topic that requires knowledge. Something that sabak fed abde morons are incapable of doing. And I know how to talk to morons like you. You should've let profastian respond instead of butting in. Now I am going to respond to every nonsense post of yours. And how do I know you are a woman? You might be an Amil or a shehzada hiding behind the garb of a woman. Most women I know are 10 times smarter than you. I do not call women idiots. I only call idiots, idiots. If you are so scared of getting beaten up, then you shouldn't come to these forums.

---------------------

do u guys hv private sessions on sarcasm ? it seems u guys hvent heard of sarcasm is lowest form of wit ! this topic we are discussin doesnt need for u to demonstrate knowledge ? good way of coverin up ur lack of knowledge..u really dont knw hw to talk to ppl or accept their argument.we hv a name fr the likes of u.n tht is ' bigot '.this is a forum.everyone can cmment on anythin.if u wanted a private discussion with profastian then u should taken it to pms.are u threatenin me tht u will follow n respond to everythin i type ? i wish i could say i m really flattered bt i m nt.. fair enuf tht u cant know if i m a woman or nt.nw by sme logic u could really be zakir naik or osama bin laden creatin fitna on here.or u could be aga khan too.lulz beaten up on the internet ? u take forum v seriously if u feel ppl can get beaten up here.i suggest quality time with one of ur 58 wives if indeed ur osama bin laden. lulz

[profastian]

charmingrose,
profastian,

Please give me an example of what you have learned about Math from waez. After that we will move onto other subjects like Physics, Biology and Zoology.

Thanks in advance.

Ok, lets start with number theory(also called higher arithmetic).

The most basic number is 1. If you have one then all the other numbers can be counted. But if you ignore 1, then lets say take 2 as the basic number. Then you can count the evens but not odds. If you take some other combination, say 2 and 3, then also you can count certain numbers but not others. For example, no combination of 2 and 3 would give 7. And so. No other number or combination would do. So including 1 is utmost important. This was linked to the oneness(Wahdaniat) of Allah and Imamuzzam and the DAI.

Take number 5. It has a beautiful property that if u multiply it 5, the 5 would appear again. The multiplication would not keep 5 intact but the whole number which was multiplied to. For example
5*5 = 25 (5 appears)
25*5 = 125(5 appears, also 25 appears)
125*25 =3125(5 appears,125 appears)
This was linked to the punjatun. The Shaan of punjatun is such that the 5 appear in every zaman. (in the form of the imams) Not only that every Imam, has in him the Shaan of the previous Imam.

I could talk about the number 2,10,100 if you want me to.

[Smart]

@c_rose,
there is a saying - "It is better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you are an idiot, rather than opening it and confirming it"

You have proved the truthfulness of this saying, by your profilic posts here. Thanks for proving AZ right.

Secondly, why do you keep on harping that you are a woman? Trying to gather sympathy, when you are proved wrong? Most people here know that you are hades, with a new pseudonym, it has also been proved. it is also clear that people had stopped responding to hades, because of his silly posts. If you respond with silly posts, people are bound to ridicule you. Don't bring in your gender, or should I say pseudo-gender.

[Smart]

@profastian,

Intellectual property rights apply to intellectual property, which is basically innovation or new knowledge. if you know your laws, all intellectual property has to be published to get patents or copyrights. Keeping it secret and proclaiming intellectual property rights does not make it either intellectual or property. This mechanism of secrecy is used when the so called knowledge is either really substandard or can be easily challenged by intellectuals. The secrecy enables the snake oil vendors to sell their potions to the gullible.

That is exactly what your masters are giving the gullible abdes. Pure, unadulterated, snake oil.

[profastian]

@profastian,

Intellectual property rights apply to intellectual property, which is basically innovation or new knowledge. if you know your laws, all intellectual property has to be published to get patents or copyrights. Keeping it secret and proclaiming intellectual property rights does not make it either intellectual or property. This mechanism of secrecy is used when the so called knowledge is either really substandard or can be easily challenged by intellectuals. The secrecy enables the snake oil vendors to sell their potions to the gullible.

Syedna is not seeking copyrights. Read my post clearly. What Syedna is doing is with holding his intellectual property from being published in the public domain. I don't think you can challenge that in the court of law.
P.S. Read about the recent Aga Khan Case.

[charmingrose]

smart said :

@c_rose,
there is a saying - "It is better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you are an idiot, rather than opening it and confirming it"

You have proved the truthfulness of this saying, by your profilic posts here. Thanks for proving AZ right.

Secondly, why do you keep on harping that you are a woman? Trying to gather sympathy, when you are proved wrong? Most people here know that you are hades, with a new pseudonym, it has also been proved. it is also clear that people had stopped responding to hades, because of his silly posts. If you respond with silly posts, people are bound to ridicule you. Don't bring in your gender, or should I say pseudo-gender.

--------------

perhaps u should have listened to the sayin n then kept ur mouth shut ?where did i have asked for sympathy ? i only said big hard men who are calling me names against the admin wishes are just tht.i hv nt been shown wrong over here by any means. n ur wild theories tht i m hades is just tht.u hve the makings of a good conspiracy theorist.u keep on goin on bout proved , proved.yet u wont show any proof tht i m hades. if u do want to try then i m all ears.

[SBM]

CROSE
first of all u do nt hve tameez to talk to a woman

Tameez to talk to woman, When was the last time I saw Burhani Guards pushing women on the street as Shezaadas walking through and Quresh BS slapping an old woman in Badri Mahal because she could not afford to pay his cut to bury her dead husband. DONOT TALK ABOUT TAMEEZ. ASK KOTHARIS TO DO THAT AND THEN COME HERE.

[Smart]

@Bro Oma,
All this talk about tameez and being a woman and all the childish prattle in sms lingo is meant to derail all the threads. i for one have decided that responding to these sub human creatures just does not make sense. I for one will stop responding to them.

[profastian]

@Bro Oma,
i for one have decided that responding to these sub human creatures just does not make sense. I for one will stop responding to them.

I thought you were trying to convert these sub human creatures to your ways. Thats wat the progressive movement is. Isn't it? How are you
going to achieve that without responding to them

[anajmi]

profastion,

Thank you for your response. I will be responding to your response in a separate post.

charmingrose,

The post from profastion explaining the Syedna's mathematics should prove to you that you are a dumb idiot who didn't listen to anything that was told in waez except "raza" "raza" "raza".

[anajmi]

profastion,

My father's family has 5 siblings. The number 5 actually refers to him, his 3 brothers and his one sister.

My uncle's family has 6 children. if you look at the number 6, it is unique. If you multiply 6 by 6 you will get 36. So there is a 6 appearing again. Now, if you multiply 36 by 6, you get 216. Again a 6 shows up. This was hex that was put on my uncle that his 6 children will always be represented in numbers that end with 6 and are multiplied by 6. Such is the greatness of my uncle's family.

Another uncle of mine has 9 members in his family. The number 9 represents his family. If you multiply 9 by 9, you will get 81. What is 8 + 1? Exactly 9. Now if you multiply 81 by 9 you will get 729. 7+2+9 = 18 and what is 1+8? Exactly 9. So the number 9 was created by Allah to show the greatness of my uncle's family.

I can talk about 2, 10, 100, 19, 37, 43 and many other numbers if you want to. I have a lot of uncles.

[Humsafar]

anajmi, you are one crazy coot!!! Couldn't stop laughing! Zulfiqar too with his imam shtick is funny. Sorry, could join any of the discussions here -- tied up with other things -- but rest assured i'm reading everything. I'd suggest to leave charmingrose alone - with her response to bohri about Modi being "innocent" she has exposed the depths of her stupidity. She doesn't deserve to be taken seriously. On the other hand, profastian is setting himself up for pitiless ridicule. He's just asking for it. And you guys i'm sure will not disappoint him.

[Conscíous]

anajmi,,

Hahahaa,,.. rofl

Good 1

[profastian]

profastion,

My father's family has 5 siblings. The number 5 actually refers to him, his 3 brothers and his one sister.

My uncle's family has 6 children. if you look at the number 6, it is unique. If you multiply 6 by 6 you will get 36. So there is a 6 appearing again. Now, if you multiply 36 by 6, you get 216. Again a 6 shows up. This was hex that was put on my uncle that his 6 children will always be represented in numbers that end with 6 and are multiplied by 6. Such is the greatness of my uncle's family.

Another uncle of mine has 9 members in his family. The number 9 represents his family. If you multiply 9 by 9, you will get 81. What is 8 + 1? Exactly 9. Now if you multiply 81 by 9 you will get 729. 7+2+9 = 18 and what is 1+8? Exactly 9. So the number 9 was created by Allah to show the greatness of my uncle's family.

I can talk about 2, 10, 100, 19, 37, 43 and many other numbers if you want to. I have a lot of uncles.

Well your ramblings prove nothing. You asked me what mathematics you learned from Syedna and I responded with some examples. What does your post prove anyhow? Again, its the conceit of your ilk showing up.
Whenever someone answers your challenge, you make fun and try to bury the point. The thing is, thats what you guyz have got to resort to, as there is no real basis for your movement and its a farce. Whenever there is
a danger of the farce showing up, you guyz try to divert attention. But anyhow, FARCE doesnt LAST

[questions]

also personal ilm is to be protected.if ur a businessman will u freely give ur trade secrets ? n why should an oridinary bohra give ilm to others ? is there an exam fr it or are u a judge that will decide if he is aalim person or nt ?


First of all religious knowledge, such as it is is not a trade secret - why should it be a secret- what is it supposed to protect- Agian I ask - if we are right, proclaim it from the rooftops - share it with the world. KNowledge is the only thing that increases by giving freely.

Secondly - i am not a judge nor are ordinary abde bohras, as there is a saying - 'aandhon main kana raja'. The reason thay cant spread knowledge freely is because the rest of the world (who is not aandhay like bohras) will know how little they know.

And as far as Hazrat Ali is concerned, at least it is better to talk about him than the constant talk about TUS and his private money making corporation...

[questions]

why does Quran talk bout money ?

Quran talks about money to spread it openly to widows and orphans.

It also talks about money hoarders and what is going to happen to them later. Ask in the sabak what sura that is.

[Al Zulfiqar]

gud one anajmi..

perhaps we can now dwell on the number 666 in relation to h'zaada qaid johar...??

[anajmi]

profastion,

Well your ramblings prove nothing.

You are right. They prove nothing. Same as the mathematics that you learned in your waez proves nothing. Everything in nature can be linked to numbers and numbers can be linked to everything that occurs in nature. A man has five fingers. Your Syedna will tell you that that is because of the panjatan. Then we know, that there are some who are born with 6 fingers and some with less. What does that prove? A man also has 1 penis. What does that prove? Nothing. This weird math is thrown at people who are not smart enough to think otherwise. They will think "wow our Syedna has found magic in numbers". He hasn't. He is just exploiting those who are the most dumb amongst his followers. Are you one of those?

Now, I want to discuss about physics. What have you learnt about physics from the Syedna? We will then go on to biology and zoology.

[charmingrose]

omabhrati said :

Tameez to talk to woman, When was the last time I saw Burhani Guards pushing women on the street as Shezaadas walking through and Quresh BS slapping an old woman in Badri Mahal because she could not afford to pay his cut to bury her dead husband. DONOT TALK ABOUT TAMEEZ. ASK KOTHARIS TO DO THAT AND THEN COME HERE.

-----------------
DO NOT SHOUT IN CAPSLOCK OK ? proof bout this quresh bs slappin a woman ?

[SBM]

^
Proof I was there on my day of Nikkah which was performed by Late Mukasir Syedi Saleh Bhai Saheb.

[charmingrose]

omabharti said :
^
Proof I was there on my day of Nikkah which was performed by Late Mukasir Syedi Saleh Bhai Saheb.

----------------

ur makin this up.ur a liar and a crap one at tht.

[rania]

CROSE
first of all u do nt hve tameez to talk to a woman

Tameez to talk to woman, When was the last time I saw Burhani Guards pushing women on the street as Shezaadas walking through and Quresh BS slapping an old woman in Badri Mahal because she could not afford to pay his cut to bury her dead husband. DONOT TALK ABOUT TAMEEZ. ASK KOTHARIS TO DO THAT AND THEN COME HERE.

Salam ,

What happened next after some Quresh BS slapped an elderly woman ?

[charmingrose]

smart said :

@Bro Oma,
All this talk about tameez and being a woman and all the childish prattle in sms lingo is meant to derail all the threads. i for one have decided that responding to these sub human creatures just does not make sense. I for one will stop responding to them.

------------------

lets hpe u stay true to ur word.why be on a forum if u dont want to respond to differin points of view ?

[Al Zulfiqar]

rose, aziz, admirer, profastener and other fanatic abdes,

you frustrated people come here ten times a day and between the motley bunch of you all, make a few dozen posts which beggar the imagination and would strain the meagre intellect of even someone as lowly as a troglodyte.

yet your constant refrain is; this site doesnt matter, who cares for you reformists, we ignore you all, your opinions are insignificant etc, etc, ad nauseum...

any logical person would ask; then why do you bother to come here, defend your criminal masters, comment on our opinions, make us feel so important, powerful and significant? why do you waste your valuable time, get all worked up, spew venom, anger and show resentment? wouldnt it be better for you to wallow in your swamp of slavery, where you can get your daily dose of torture, abuse and humiliations, so comforting for people used to a lifetime of living on a pig farm?

your actions are in total contrast to your words.. unless the kicks and blows you get here are more stinging and exciting and bring some much needed variety to your mundane lives??

[profastian]

rose, aziz, admirer, profastener and other fanatic abdes,

you frustrated people come here ten times a day and between the motley bunch of you all, make a few dozen posts which beggar the imagination and would strain the meagre intellect of even someone as lowly as a troglodyte.

yet your constant refrain is; this site doesnt matter, who cares for you reformists, we ignore you all, your opinions are insignificant etc, etc, ad nauseum...

any logical person would ask; then why do you bother to come here, defend your criminal masters, comment on our opinions, make us feel so important, powerful and significant? why do you waste your valuable time, get all worked up, spew venom, anger and show resentment? wouldnt it be better for you to wallow in your swamp of slavery, where you can get your daily dose of torture, abuse and humiliations, so comforting for people used to a lifetime of living on a pig farm?

your actions are in total contrast to your words.. unless the kicks and blows you get here are more stinging and exciting and bring some much needed variety to your mundane lives??

Well i come here when I have nothing to do at office. This comedy of a forum passes time really well.

[profastian]

profastion,
Same as the mathematics that you learned in your waez proves nothing.

I never said it proved anything. you asked me what have you learned in Waaz and I answered.
BTW I never said Syedna discovered the magic in those numbers. Well he just educated us
about them. I never claimed that the 5 number is special because of panjatan Please don't take
those leaps of fancy. I just used the word "linked" with pujantan.
Whenever some educational discussion start, you start bashing the imam and punjatan.
I thought that you were are progressive but u turned out to be a Wahabi or a maybe an agnostic or atheist, not sure.
So no further discussion with you. Thank You.

[SBM]

^
Another cop out when faced with reality
You still did not answer my questions and now you ran away after you could not come up with Anjami's question, a typical Abde.

[rania]

^
Another cop out when faced with reality
You still did not answer my questions and now you ran away after you could not come up with Anjami's question, a typical Abde.

What is a ' typical ' person according to you ?

This is a forum.It depends on the person if he/she wishes to reply to you or not.If he/she decides otherwise that doesn't mean that they have run away or are cowards.It is not a rule that everyone has to answer your questions.

I saw on another thread that anajmi wrote he/she doesn't want to talk further to ozmujaheed. That doesn't mean that anajmi is " typical " or he/she has ran away !

[anajmi]

profastian,

I never said it proved anything.

and before you said

Well your ramblings prove nothing.

So when you say something, it doesn't have to prove anything, but when I say something you call it rambling because it proves nothing? Doesn't that mean what you said was just rambling as well, since it proved nothing? Which in turn means that your Syedna is simply rambling because what he says, proves nothing.

you start bashing the imam and punjatan.

Not sure where I was bashing the panjatan. Can you point out where I did that in my response to you? I consider the panjatan to be the greatest of muslims and not because a 5 appears in every multiple of 5 but because of the way they lived their lives and because of the way they laid down their lives.

So no further discussion with you. Thank You.

Well, I thought we would be discussing about physics, biology and zoology that the Syedna has taught you in his waez. If you have knowledge on your side, you shouldn't be running away from opportunities to display your knowledge and prove to us your Syedna's worth. Otherwise people will think that the Syedna's followers run when confronted with real knowledge. So what do you say? Should we discuss physics, biology and zoology as taught by the Syedna?