Only on board Passengers can save this Sinking Ship

[Humsafar]

Mistreatment of poor, elders and keeping funds belonging to Yateem and Miskeen, should stop.

Don't you think this will stop once people are in control of their jamaat and their finances?

[Bohra spring]

Do you, humsafar, Az have a problem if some of us discuss , analyse pros and cons of the PDB mission in a surgical way ?

I am testing your commitment to reform

We can pick one item at at time ...once we agree on a consensus are you happy to champion the change if the past needs to be corrected.

Believe me I am not trying to force my views but raise them so everyone can contribute if wish to and knows what the opposition stands for.

If we disagree then we use Islam and Hadith as default...not some traditional practise.

Admin I am trying to operate within the description of the forum in case you think I am overstepping my privilege

Bohras and Reform
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[KM1]

Mr Insaaf

Its really strange that you can start this discussion but you cant answer our question


Pls don't start topic if you don't have the guts to reply

[Conscíous]

KM1..
There is nothing strange about that if you could think about his age.. For all we know, the man could be having any health related issues.. Don't be so haste with your judgement, before you have all the facts..

[Al Zulfiqar]

Mr Insaaf, Its really strange that you can start this discussion but you cant answer our question

and what's your question?

[Al Zulfiqar]

Do you, humsafar, Az have a problem if some of us discuss , analyse pros and cons of the PDB mission in a surgical way ?

I am testing your commitment to reform

bohra spring, your ignorance and insensitivity is breath-taking! YOU are going to test humsafar's and my commitment to reform???!!!

this is what happens when johnny-come-lately's like you, who have not experienced the struggles and pain of pursuing reform while challenging a behemoth who has access to limitless funds, political power and legal help, come here to shower veterans of the reform struggle with stupid advice! have you or any of your family members ever been beaten up, ostracised, harassed, persecuted and humiliated in public for standing up for your rights?

not only are you an ignorant fool but immature and naive in the extreme, sitting behind a computer churning out impractical and illogical solutions whilst mouthing nonsensical platitudes is easy. get out and propose your ideas publicly and experience some of the trials and tribulations that countless reformists have gone through. its one thing to shoot your mouth off and another actually executing and implementing your ideas. i had decided not to respond anymore to your drivel, but your last statement was beyond outrageous. little do you know what people like bhai insaf or humsafar or i have gone through and how it has impacted our lives, not just our lives but those of our parents, siblings and extended families.

your heart may be in the right place, but your mind has gone on a hallucinatory trip to la la land, where you seem to be living in some sort of alice in wonderland scenario.

[Bohra spring]

analyse pros and cons of the PDB mission in a surgical way ?
We can pick one item at at time ...once we agree on a consensus are you happy to champion the change if the past needs to be corrected.

Rather that answering the core question you go into personal issues, your contributions, the past..veterans...why is that so much more important that what PDB stands for or its influence to the future of the society. So does that mean NO, answer from you is offcourse NO and if I go ahead you and others will get emotional about it and derail the discussions .

I will assume you are speaking from position of authority of PDB and I get it that I must not advise PDB, and as your constitution states I self expel myself and recalibrate my understanding of the PDB movement, it was bruising but worth it.

Now that I am not a PDB I will try to remain neutral and objective and if PDB and Kothar is on the wrong or need to be criticized they will be equal game. That way people reading will appreciate we are not blind slaves of either forms of factions.