Is Prophet Mohammad also referred to as "NOOR"

[anajmi]

Allah's book is flawless. And hence it doesn't need to be hidden. Yours is hidden, which means something's wrong with it.

[znanwalla]

Hidden? who told you ? are you deluded ? No it is not for us !..only for those who betrayed the Holy Prophet of islam and for whom thereis an entire sura in the Quran.....ah but maybe you may not have seen or read this sura that applies to you and your partner MF !!!!!......did I not say the Quran was with us ? I did ! but it is not for non believers ! or are you not able to understand?..."Dhaalika bi- 'anna 'Allaah Mawlaa 'alladhena 'aamano wa- 'anna al- kaafiren laa Mawlaa la- -hum" (Holy Quran; Muhammad; XLVII:11).....this one is especially to you with love !....zn

[znanwalla]

Muslims should beware of the renewed onslaught on their beliefs being conducted today from within their own Communities, by folks like Najmi and MF, all in the name of Qur'an and Sunna,but actually they are supported and sponsored by certain regimes pursuing specific ideologies ....their agenda i suppose is to try and take over the mosques built by Ahl al-Sunna in Europe and North America - the reality of their beliefs is different from those of the main body of Muslims !....zn

[anajmi]

It is clear now. The Ismailis have betrayed Hazrat Ali. O what a terrible betrayal. They have the hidden quran and they still quote fabricated texts. Shame on the Ismailis. Shame on the Ismailis.

[Muslim First]

Muslims should beware of the renewed onslaught on their beliefs being conducted today from within their own Communities, by folks like Najmi and MF, all in the name of Qur'an and Sunna,but actually they are supported and sponsored by certain regimes pursuing specific ideologies ....their agenda i suppose is to try and take over the mosques built by Ahl al-Sunna in Europe and North America - the reality of their beliefs is different from those of the main body of Muslims !....zn

Not actually true sister ZN

We are here to show you what Qur'an and Ahadit, and Sunna says about Mainstream belief. What group of people do to control Masajids is their business and if you are concerned about any Masajid then you should report to FBI. They are quite vigilent.

Whaile you are saying contrary to your MHI.
I have not heard him say Qur'an wich rest of Muslim has was screwd up by scribes. Whatever little he has quoted from Qur'an is from Qur'an you buy from Amazone.com.

He has never said Salaat/Namaaz is not part of 5 founding principal. I have seen reports of your MHI praying Salaat with other Muslims. He has not said Do not fast. I have seen reports of him giving parties to Ismailis when other Muslims are fasting.

I am wondering what will be his reaction if he finds out that one of his Murids uses languge which he would not like to see towards Honarable scribes and 3 Khalifas who were relatives of Prophet and to whom he has given Basharat of paradise.

[pardesi]

Muslim First,
Please do not post long articles. You may post a link to it.
Thanks.

Admin

MF, are you an admin too?

[Muslim First]

MF, are you an admin too?

Boy do you guys live in Pshyco ward?

No I am not Admin.

Admin please confirm.

[pardesi]

MF, are you an admin too?

Boy do you guys live in Pshyco ward?

No I am not Admin.

Admin please confirm.

The above quotes came from your post as "Muslim First" from your account and signed "Admin".
Can you explain?

[Muslim First]

Can you point where it so I can show you how to understan written english

[pardesi]

go to page 6 of this thread.

Re: Is Prophet Mohammad also referred to as "NOOR"

Postby Muslim First on Sat Nov 15, 2008 10:14 am

This is when your long post was deleted and admin supposedly left you a message from your own account

Pardesi, Muslim Frist's message was edited by us, exactly the way we are editing yours now. Does that mean you are also the Admin?
Admin

[Muslim First]

You Probably are correct.

I am loosing interest in thid dony brook

[Muslim First]

Pardesi, ZN AW0000

Read and comment of S.Insaf post at

http://dawoodi-bohras.com/forum/viewtop ... 5&start=90

I have not seen one sensible comment from Turbo so I do not expect any comment from him

[pardesi]

You Probably are correct.

I am loosing interest in thid dony brook

PROBABLY? Either I am right or you are wrong. Which is it? Please answer my question, are you an admin? and stop diverting the subject to "Mowla Ali" on the other forum. By the way the story Insaf quoted applies to you too. Do you want to follow the lead of Prophet Mohammad as quoted by Insaf?

[znanwalla]

Najmi,

Do please bark a bit louder ! hahahahah!!! with your sheer stupidity and ignorance like that of many others, you are making distinctions amongst the Imams....it is clear that nobody can betray Ali except the non-believers like you and MF and those who did not listen to their Prophet but instead fabricated their own texts and surreptiously called it "Allah's Book" !!!....after Ali it was Ali and after him it was still Ali and until the end it will still be Ali as it is the Nur e Imamah which ofcourse the Munafiquen do not follow...but you all pursue physical forms which Islam forbids - maybe your textual deficiencies does not provide enough guidance and understanding to you about Islam - after all they are confabulations and man made hyperbole of your script writers .....In actuality you do not even follow the "tradition" of the Prophet......you pursue Umayyad and the Abbassid traditions mixed with Zorastrian culture and again have called it the Prophet's tradition....so frankly you have no Book and no Tradition ! zn

[znanwalla]

MF...what Quran and what Ahadith ? You have neither ! save your own fabrications and you and your lap dog Najmi have not been able to answer most of our questions....wehat can you teach to anyone anything when you yourselves don't know any basics either about Islam?.....you depend on Maherally who himself depends on the confabulations of Mir Bose.....so why are you making us laugh so much? !...zn

[znanwalla]

MF
The Imams of Ahl al Bayt from the pure progeny of the prophet have nothing to do with folks who are established by certain governments with specific purpose to deviate followers of Ahl al Bayt and to cunningly destroy their path by keeping them away from the Imams and moving them surreptiously towards their own puppets and frankly these groups will melt down and wither away as Allah is all-knowing and all-hearing !

People will recognize the falsehoods and ignorance of detractors and their deviant agenda.

Any group without followers cannot live for long and their leaders will go out of business eventually ! This is the covenant of God to Prophet Ebrahim and it is in the Quran !

MF...You can never win ! after all you and your lap dogs are just losers !

zn

[anajmi]

This is the covenant of God to Prophet Ebrahim and it is in the Quran !

In the fabricated quran?

[znanwalla]

Does this then not prove that your texts are indeed fabricated and man made or else you would not bark with your decayed teeth showing ? surely it does ! for you would have understood and followed what Allah is saying instead of being sponsored by terrorist organizations and cults to promote hatred and sectarian beliefs....so you do belong to the "Obsession" cult that everyone is now watching on YOUTUBE !......ask your veggie at home if she knows anything about it or does she depend on her "omnipotent" domestic tingod?.....zn

[anajmi]

What it proves is that you knowingly quote fabrications.

[znanwalla]

That is in your own mind ! a delusion pal ! You have nothing ! We have everything ! and so whichever way one looks, you are a loser with your obsession cult of terrorism !

The Means of Salvation for the Present Time:

"According to an authentic Hadith, Hazrat Nuh's Ark is an example of the Ahl-i bayt of the Prophet. Let us examine a connected wisdom from the Wise Qur'an as revealed (i do not mean your interpolations):

"Then We delivered him and the people of the Ark and We made a sign for the people (of the world)." (29:15).

In the light of the above mentioned Hadith, the allusions of this verse are the deluge continues to occur in one form or the other and the people can be delivered only through the Ahl-i bayt of the Holy Prophet.

God has kept this means of salvation as a sign forever so that there should not be any lack of means in the religion of Islam, because the religion of nature is complete and perfect and Allah's favour exists in a complete and consummate form (5:3)." [Source: Fruit of Paradise, p. 180]

zn

[znanwalla]

Najmi,

You are acting as if the Quran as revealed is with you potty mouths ! hahahahah!!!

You could not even provide answers to our questions.....you are pretending and obfuscating as if you "own" the Quran ...the only thing you own is the cultish Obsession of terrorism....watch the rave reviews on YOUTUBE...we all are watching to know and understand your culture....it is rotten !...like looking at a chimp's face..... unconscionable indeed (in this term lies the word 'animals')...if one was to talk of evil !....zn

[Admin]

Pardesi,
Please see your post above that we edited.

First you and your Ismaili brethren accused us of sharing identities, a totally false and baseless charge for which an honorable thing would have been to extend a simple apology. Instead of that, now you indulge in another wild speculation about MF being Admin. Can you pls stop playing this game?

[Aarif]

Ask yourself, have they earned enough respect in your eyes for their opinions to matter one single iota?

JM,

By lying and evading truth on every possible opportunity they get, the Ismailis have lost their dignity on this forum. As far as respect is concerned they are on the other side of the fence. If you do not believe me read their posts and compare them with your own faith... You will get the answer..

[Muslim First]

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PIRS DO NOT FLY. It is stupid MURIDS who give them WINGS

PIRS do not have Ali's Qur'an. It is myth created for STUPID MURIDS
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[Muslim First]

Admin

It is not their fault. Sometimes they have understanding simple Engish.

Too many doses of Zahir-Baatin. Dimaag chakra Jaa ta he.

[znanwalla]

MF.....Now we all know that you are ignorant like your sponsor "obsession" cult !....just because you make a claim it does not mean that that is the basis of truth ! You are not even able to distinguish between an Imam and a PIR and you want to offer us your subservient comments.....to begin with you haven't been able to answer any of our questions and merely chased your own tails.....I don't believe you can even explain properly what is a "deen"? what is a "Tariqa"? and what is a "madhab?

The PIR for ismailis is the "deputy" of the Imam and the PIR is appointed by the Imam and in Ismaili tariqa so far there have been 50 PIRS....during the arabic period and as mentioned in some of the literature the PIRS have also been known as "Imamil Mustauda" and the Imam himself as "Imamil Mustaqar". PIRs can only be appointed and it is not upon the people to pick and choose and so take your demented fallacy elsewhere where they will buy your fairy tales....

The "dawa" always continued through the PIRS and in fact amongst the Sufu Tariqas the Holy Prophet is considered "Murshidil Awal" with the second being his grandson ( the youth of paradise), Hazrat PIR Hasan and in one of his ahadith the Prophet has said..." Hasan is from me and I am from Hasan.."

PIR means a Guru - one who teaches spirituality and Gnosis and so he is also a guide !

zn

[znanwalla]

MF......

Maybe you should go and watch your "obsession" on YOUTUBE.....that might help you know who you really are and maybe your sponsors might also know their own culture in associating themselves with folks like you...

"And all things WE have created by pairs...that haply ye may reflect..." (Sura al Dhariyat)...so it is clear now that the Quran (al-Kitab) was existing already and so your scribes had no reason to create their own texts....

We all know the Book of Allah was with the prophet and then Hazrat Ali which you folks rejected and so now if Allah is saying He made everything in Pairs, what is the other part of the Book of Allah? and which is the Manifest to any "hidden" that you claim exists? Explain ! ...and conversely what is the opposite of Zaheri (Exoteric) lower level that you pursue?....it is batini obviously as every entity here has a corresponding entity in the spiritual world.....but then you are at such a low level with your sponsors that you will never understand all this....so keep on barking !...zn

[anajmi]

if Allah is saying He made everything in Pairs,

Oh man. As if one wasn't enough we now have to worry about a pair of znans.

znan, you are too stupid to comment on the quran. And shameless too. You are still quoting fabrications aren't you?

[znanwalla]

Najmi,

If and and when I show you verses from your on texts and which you do not know about but claim loudly and even boast that you follow, then is there anything that would stop me or anyone from doing so? No !....also you now alos concede that your texts are fabrications as you seem to boast openly that I am quoting from your fabrications - Thank you !....

I have told you too before and do so again that you do not have the entire correct Quran as revealed as Allah's Book is complete, flawless and clear ! Your texts are NOT ! and so how much more clear can I be?....

So Yes! YOUR texts are man made creations of your script writers but because it is also a like thereof, it would obviously show some resemblance to the original but it is NOT the ORIGINAL Quran - as revealed and in it entirity....so when we talk of the QURAN we obviously refer to its entirity and completness - not just a part thereof - not a text whose chronological order is incorrect ! Not a text that has been revised and revised to suit sectarian agenda....plus you cannot even claim to have any lien on any scripture or texts simply because you belong to an "Obsession" cult that subjugates its women and brandishes fatwas and guns at all and sundry?...so now who is shameless?.....the lap dog? or the sponsors?....choice is yours Pal !...zn

[znanwalla]

Najmi,

Are you disputing the ayat? then maybe it is missing from your text huh?

"And all things WE have created by pairs...that haply ye may reflect..." (Sura al Dhariyat)...it is clear as crystal.....with Adam came Eve....with the Sun there is the Moon.....with Day there is the Night....with happiness there is sadness....with the father there is a mother.....with a brother there is a sister.....with the Imam there is a PIR and so on and so forth.....people who are "obsessed" through their passion and cultish obsessions would find this beyond their understanding !

"It is reported by Mawla 'Ali that the Holy Prophet said: "The position of my ahl-i bayt among you is like the Ark of Nuh, whoever embarks upon it is saved and whoever lags behind is drowned."

You will also find this stated in the ahadith "Aman al Umma !

The Holy Prophet has also said: "Acquire knowledge from the learned man ('alim) of my ahl-i bayt, or from one who has acquired knowledge from the 'alim of my ahl-i bayt, so that you may be saved from the fire (of Hell)." ( It is again a "Pair")

By BOTH the Ark of Nuh and 'alim of Ahl-i bayt .... who has been appointed by God and the Prophet to protect people from the flood and the fire of ignorance. ( it is again a "Pair")

It is because of this, that in all the Qur'anic parables the more true knowledge is praised, the more ignorance is condemned." [Source: Fruit of Paradise, p. 38]...do you see the combination of a "pairs".....now it is understandable if you don't find all this in Maherally's Books....zn