Dream Project of Bhendi Bazar

[porus]

anajmi,

Thank you for your response and Ramadan Mubarak to you.

I would ask you to let Bohras discuss this issue among themselves although, God knows, not many Bohras on this forum participate in this type of discussion. I wonder why! The point I am trying to emphasize is the unjustified secrecy of "Daawat Books".

When you respond about ayat 31:20, please do it as part of Shia-Sunni dialog in 'Islam Today' forum. Thanks.

[anajmi]

porus,

When you say bohras, can you be more specific? Do you mean progressives or orthos? Believing bohras or disbelieving bohras? Those that were born bohras or naturalized bohras? Bohras that are part muslim and part non-muslim or bohras that are neither? Or all of them? or some of them?

[porus]

porus,

When you say bohras, can you be more specific? Do you mean progressives or orthos? Believing bohras or disbelieving bohras? Those that were born bohras or naturalized bohras? Bohras that are part muslim and part non-muslim or bohras that are neither? Or all of them? or some of them?

I mean all those who consider themselves Bohras and it does not include you as you have explicitly mentioned that you no longer consider yourself a Bohra.

I would like this thread to continue with discussion of Bohra books, especially in reference to the infallibility of the Dai. And this aside will derail it.

[anajmi]

Well, I consider myself a bohra. A reformed bohra. Anyway, I wouldn't want to digress this discussion. I would like to make two points though, and then I will be gone.

porus gets allergies when I am around. This leads us to my second point - Why?.

His entire argument about baatin in the Quran, if it was in anyway based upon the youtube videos he posted, as evidence, then as I have shown, it falls flat on its face. There was a 99% chance that the "bohras" he wants to participate over here (excluding anajmi i.e.) wouldn't have caught it.

[anajmi]

I just went through the second video that porus has posted. Not sure how many of you have seen it already but this is my explanation. The argument presented by the shaikh about 64:8 is that Allah is commanding the believers to believe in 3 things - Allah, his prophet and his noor. Hence the kalima should also have 3 parts. The sunni kalima has 2 part but the shia kalima has 3 parts. So the shia are right.

However, if you look at surah baqara, Allah says

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YUSUFALI: The Messenger believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one (of them) believeth in Allah(1), His angels(2), His books(3), and His messengers(4). "We make no distinction (they say) between one and another of His messengers." And they say: "We hear, and we obey: (We seek) Thy forgiveness, our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys."
PICKTHAL: The messenger believeth in that which hath been revealed unto him from his Lord and (so do) believers. Each one believeth in Allah and His angels and His scriptures and His messengers - We make no distinction between any of His messengers - and they say: We hear, and we obey. (Grant us) Thy forgiveness, our Lord. Unto Thee is the journeying.
SHAKIR: The messenger believes in what has been revealed to him from his Lord, and (so do) the believers; they all believe in Allah and His angels and His books and His messengers; We make no difference between any of His messengers; and they say: We hear and obey, our Lord! Thy forgiveness (do we crave), and to Thee is the eventual course.

Over here Allah is mentioning 4 things that a man of faith needs to believe in. Should the kalima now have 4 parts?

Besides, the word, naazil, anzalna, unzela (sorry about my arabic) are associated with the Quran.

[porus]

Over here Allah is mentioning 4 things that a man of faith needs to believe in. Should the kalima now have 4 parts?

Besides, the word, naazil, anzalna, unzela (sorry about my arabic) are associated with the Quran.

Good point, anjami. And why not? It could have five parts too, including noor.

فَآمِنُوا بِاللَّهِ وَرَسُولِهِ وَالنُّورِ الَّذِي أَنْـزَلْنَا

"Keep faith in Allah, His messenger, and the Noor that We have revealed." (64:8)

[anajmi]

The problem is not with the parts. The problem happens when some idiot starts claiming that when Allah talks about angels, he is referring to Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman and includes them in the kalima!!

So, the bottom line is that, the argument is not about how many parts the kalima has. If the sunni kalima is incomplete then so is the shia kalima. The question is simply whether "noor" refers to Hazrat Ali or not and I haven't found anyone that could convince me that it does. If this was such an important part of Islam, Allah wouldn't have left it to be deducted from interpretations and hadiths. It would've been from those ayahs of the Quran that are clear!!

[Takazha]

Let us make a wish that the DREAM PROJECT OF BHENDI BAZAAR as thought upon by Syedna (TUS) is a necessity.

NOW what makes the project online:

1. Is a true assessment of ground realities.
The Cluster development regulation DCR 33/9 is in itself very naively done-up, without making an effort in resolving core issues of tempory transit accommodation for the interim period.
The entire works for new rehab bldgs can be completed in 36 months by converting the ATLAS COMPUND at REAY ROAD into a temporary transit accommodation campus. The SYEDNA (TUS) can surely help us in getting the approval at ATLAS COMPOUND. I belive presently SUMER BLDRS are planning some mega development on the plot. BUT surely it can be delayed in the interest of the community.
The alternate transit accommodation/premises for residential and commercial should be offerred free of any maintenance and rent.

2. Good will of the local people.
Proper information on new rehab premises to be provided shall be prepared so that the occupants of premises whole heartedly invove in the redevelopment process of Bhendi Bazaar.
Zero assessment libility for property tax and maintenance should be insisted for atleast min.350 sq.ft premises for the lower/middle class families, and concessional of upto 75% for the other premises, and for commercial premises not more than what they are paying today.

3. Brotherhood among residents and owners to come to a settlement.
It is in interest of the residents to improve upon their hygenic and spiritual upliftment as divined upon by Syedna (TUS).
The owners should come forward to resolve issues before a Settlement Committe and avoid legal battles.

Let us take in right spirit to seek ALMIGHTYs blessings.

[SBM]

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Salaam
Seems like you have pretty good knowledge and idea. Can you please share some more info about the status of the entire project. How many residents and businesses have signed on and what percentage is already in the works??
It is a good project and surely will help people but it is the skepticism since Kothar has a very bad track record on Mega projects like Saifee Tech HS, Ma Fatema's Zarih and so on...Orthos may be gullible and suppressed but they are not stupid. If you talk to them they know there are lot of things wrong but they are afraid of speaking out for the harmony of their families.

[S. Insaf]

Bohras planning to redevelop Dawood's ex-'dream project'
THE ASIAN AGE - 10-OCTOBER-2010 JIGNA VORA
Oct. 9: A four-pronged controversy has arisen out of Bhendi Bazaar - one that involves the Dawoodi Bohra Trust, Dawood Ibrahim's version of the Taj Mahal for his wife, Dawood's brother Iqbal Kaskar and the Mumbai police's crime branch.
The Dawoodi Bohra Trust has sought clearance from the Mumbai police to acquire a plot of land in Bhendi Bazaar, a plot that the trust intends to develop as part of an ambitious Rs.1,500 crore-project to provide the tightly-knit community of Dawoodi Bohras with better bousing.
The catch- a plot of land right in the middle of the trust's plans, on which fugitive don Dawood Ibrahim had once built Mehjabeen Mansion, as a monument to his wife, but which later had been torn down.
Built in 1994, Mehjabeen Mansion was the swankiest high rise of its time with an open-air swimming pool on the terrace and a glass pent house. It was Dawood's dream project, named after his wife Mehjabeen. The building was demolished in 1994 by then deputy municipal commissioner G.R. Khairnar, as it was illegal. After its demolition, the plot was handed over to the Mumbai police, as Dawood is a wanted accused in a number of cases including the serial blasts which devastated Mumbai in March 1993.
As the plot where Mehjabeen Mansion - once a five-storey buildig had stood is coming in the way of the redevelopment project, the Dawoodi Bohra Trust has written a letter requesting the commissioner of the Mumbai police to grant a no objection certificate (NOC) to the Trust for constructing a new structure on the plot of land. According to sources, the Mumbai's police's crime branch is under the possession of the land, and hence, the CP had asked the crime branch to give its opinion on whether the NOC can be granted.
However, the top brass of the Mumbai police has expressed displeasure in granting the clearance to the Trust, saying that it wanted the plot to construct their own structure. "It is necessary to have our presence in the area, as it is Dawood's stronghold," said a senior official from Mumbai police.
According to Mr Abedali Bhanpurawala, a trustee of the Dawoodi Bohra Trust, the clearance had been sought simply because it was owned by the Mumbai police. "We have asked the Mumbai police to give clearance. We are aware that the plot of land has nothing do to with Dawood Ibrahim now. Currently, it is possessed by the Mumbai police," Mr Bhanpurawala said. He added that they were open to building a new structure on the land and hand it over to the police.
A senior crime branch official also said that the crime brach is being pressurised to grant a no objection certificate (NOC) to the plot of land from various political leaders.
The crime branch has also started investigations into whether Dawood's brother Iqbal Kaskar is forcibly vacating tenants from the entire Bhendi Bazaar area. According to crime branch sources, Central intelligence agencies have informed the Mumbai police that Kaskar is trying to forcefully vacate the tenants of the area that is likely to be redeveloped.
When contacted Himanshu Roy, joint commissioner (crim) confirmed that they had specific inputs, which pointed to Kaskar pressuring the tenants to vacate the premises. "We are closely monitoring Kaskar's movements," Mr Roy said.
The Dawoodi Bohra Trust's Bhendi Bazaar redevelopment project aims to replace 281 old buildings many in precarious state with multi-storey structures in the next five years. Under the Trust's redevelopment project, each family will get free ownership of 350 square foot flats. All existing religious structures will be retained and the township's centerpiece will be the Raudat Tahera, tomb of the previous Syedna.

[Al Zulfiqar]

Bohras planning to redevelop Dawood's ex-'dream project'
THE ASIAN AGE - 10-OCTOBER-2010 JIGNA VORA
The crime branch has also started investigations into whether Dawood's brother Iqbal Kaskar is forcibly vacating tenants from the entire Bhendi Bazaar area. According to crime branch sources, Central intelligence agencies have informed the Mumbai police that Kaskar is trying to forcefully vacate the tenants of the area that is likely to be redeveloped.
When contacted Himanshu Roy, joint commissioner (crim) confirmed that they had specific inputs, which pointed to Kaskar pressuring the tenants to vacate the premises. "We are closely monitoring Kaskar's movements," Mr Roy said.

All existing religious structures will be retained and the township's centerpiece will be the Raudat Tahera, tomb of the previous Syedna.

the showpiece development aims to retain raudat tahera as its 'jewel in the crown'. what could be a more fitting tribute to the life and achievements of the ex-syedna than the help taken from the underworld to vacate the area?

avo bhai harkha, apne bewe sarkha....

[seeker110]

" avo bhai harkha, apne bewe sarkha...."
Br. AZ you forgot the bombay police..........

[accountability]

What will happen to Bhindi Bazar project, now that Ashok Chawan has gone as Maharashtra chief minister. He was quiet instrumental through via via. Another 100 or so crore will lost.

[S. Insaf]

For Quid Johar bhaisaheb: Man is known by the company he keeps.

[porus]

For Quid Johar bhaisaheb: Man is known by the company he keeps.

Quid is a British colloquialism for pound sterling. A very appropriate slip of spelling there.

[profastian]

For Quid Johar bhaisaheb: Man is known by the company he keeps.

Quid is a British colloquialism for pound sterling. A very appropriate slip of spelling there.

You are well named too porus. Everything just sieves through you. That what makes you a dumb---

[Humsafar]

Quid is a British colloquialism for pound sterling. A very appropriate slip of spelling there.

Porus, good one. You could also say that Quid Johar does not believe in quid pro quo - for obvious reasons!!!

[porus]

You are well named too porus. Everything just sieves through you. That what makes you a dumb---

كما أخبرتُك من قبل، و الله العظيم، إنك رجل جاهل جدا

[profastian]

You are well named too porus. Everything just sieves through you. That what makes you a dumb---

كما أخبرتُك من قبل، و الله العظيم، إنك رجل جاهل جدا

Btw how old are you? I think you may have gone senile.

[Al Zulfiqar]

For Quid Johar bhaisaheb: Man is known by the company he keeps.

Quid is a British colloquialism for pound sterling. A very appropriate slip of spelling there.

bhai insaf's slip is a perfect description of all zaada's, but in this particular case, an even more apt title. this zaada's johar is specially notable for drawing out quids from our gullible bohra sheep like profastian & sammy dude ...

[accountability]

Crime branch will keep tabs on Bhendi Bazaar redevelopment work
Published: Saturday, Jul 17, 2010, 1:13 IST
By Somendra Sharma | Place: Maharashtra | Agency: DNA

The crime branch of the Mumbai Police will monitor the Bhendi Bazaar redevelopment project to ensure that that the underworld has no influence on the project.

Several gangsters of yesteryears lived in Bhendi Bazaar — the most notable being Dawood Ibrahim. Now, they do not live there, but their relatives, friends, and associates do and Bhendi Bazaar is still in the news — at least with the police.

“The gangs still have their prominence in the locality,” a senior officer said. “We will talk with the authorities and go through each and every paper work related to the project. Our focus will be on the people involved, the source of money, and if anyone from the city’s underworld is influencing the project.”

The state government has approved an 18-acre redevelopment project, which will cost almost Rs2,000 crore. Apart from 2,000 shops, it will involve the construction of 20 buildings ranging from seven to 40 storeys and accommodating 25,000 people.

The crime branch is entrusted with the responsibility of monitoring underworld activities in the city. It is not necessary that the underworld would be interested in improving the locality; officers feel they might try to stall the project.

“The area is synonymous with gangs. It has been their identity for the past few decades,” another officer from the crime branch said. “We will see if the underworld tries to stop the project in any way.

We will have to see if there is any threat perception to anyone associated with the project and take precautionary measures.”

The crime branch, however, is still to send an official communication to the government. “Once the planning is done and we have decided on the measures that need to be taken, we will talk with the government,” the officer said.

http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report_c ... rk_1410869

One person who has connection to bhai log in bhendi bazar and now living in canada said, that bohra jamat is actively seeking the support of bhais and have also paid hefty sum for cooperation, but some sunni elements are not happy with bohra jamat.

[ghulam muhammed]

A couple of days back, more then a hundred extended shops in chor bazaar were razed by the municipality and their wares were confiscated by them. Although chor bazaar is in existence since many decades but this was the first time in 50 years that municipality had bulldozed these structures. The same goes for the other bylanes in bohri mohalla wherein strict action was taken by the department against shops which spread over on the roads. It is said that these actions were initiated at the behest of kothari zaadas who are in the process of clearing the area to make way for their multi crore project.

Although it is good that bohri mohalla is being cleaned up and that too due to the zaadas initiatives for which the local bohras are full of praise saying "mola ni dua thi mohallo saaf thai rahyo chhe" but the question is that where were these zaadas all these years when the mohalla was full of dirt and filth ? Why was there no initiative then from the zaadas ? The answer is simple..... they are not doing this because they care for the bohras of bohri mohalla and that they are too concerned for them but this is done only for their selfish and ulterior motive which is to speed up the multi crore project of which they are the sole beneficiaries.

It is reported that the erstwhile marriage venue, Noor Baug at dongri which was purchased by kothar some years back has been given to shias to enable them to shift their Zenabia Imamwada from Bohri Mohalla to Noor baug.

[S. Insaf]

Late Syedna Taher Saifuddin Saheb occupied the seat of Dawat in 1915. Immediately he shifted to India's commercial capital, Bombay. He was financially so weak that in order to take hold of Badri Mahal he had to sort of steal money from the Galla of Chanda Bhoy’s mazar and face a court case. In less than 100 years his family has amassed so much wealth from the community that today they are proudly taking up a 2000 Crores mega project.
Can this be possible for any one by honest means?

[guy_sam2005]

Late Syedna Taher Saifuddin Saheb occupied the seat of Dawat in 1915. Immediately he shifted to India's commercial capital, Bombay. He was financially so weak that in order to take hold of Badri Mahal he had to sort of steal money from the Galla of Chanda Bhoy’s mazar and face a court case. In less than 100 years his family has amassed so much wealth from the community that today they are proudly taking up a 2000 Crores mega project.
Can this be possible for any one by honest means?

yes its is possible........and inshallah going to be reality soon too.....and the persoon who made it possible is syedna mohammad burhanuddin saheb(tus)it took father and son 1 century of hard work and labour to make this possible...
and yes its with honest means nly no matter wat u guys say...u ppl are irrelevant..tongues are goin to wag when somethin big happens,
and the big joke u said was syedna has to consider reformists too before declaring ashara...thats the joke of the century on this forum..after all wat r u even worth?

[Smart]

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Oh, so everything is measured in its worth in money? By your standards Maula Ali, must be worth nothing. Good standards of worth, you have.

[guy_sam2005]

for once will u stop acting oversmart,we were discussing money so i replied in financial terms.if we talk bout money u bring in religion if we talk bout religion u bring in money....r u even serious about reforms which i doubt by every post of yours.....read the posts if u are really smart i didnt start discussing about finances ur boss did...........

[Aarif]

it took father and son 1 century of hard work and labour to make this possible...

Now that's what I would call "FIGMENT OF YOUR IMAGINATION"

[ghulam muhammed]

yes its is possible........and inshallah going to be reality soon too

Whether it is going to be a reality or just a hogwash like Saifee Technical school and various other projects, only time will tell but one thing which is not at all a reality but just a fairytale is the 'ruku chitthi' which is given by the dai (like e-jamat cards) which insures a guaranteed place to bohras in jannat.

[guy_sam2005]

yea my dear friend with time we will see if its hogwash as u say or another achievement in line with jamea anwar,lulluva,aqmar,juyushi ,zarih-e-hussain,saifee hospital etc...
Belivem me friend aaje to ladwa no mood chej nai...khushi no kai paar nathi aaje...but the sad thing is i wont be able 2 go for ashara.........now pull my legs as much as u want...who cares

[Smart]

for once will u stop acting oversmart,we were discussing money so i replied in financial terms.if we talk bout money u bring in religion if we talk bout religion u bring in money....r u even serious about reforms which i doubt by every post of yours.....read the posts if u are really smart i didnt start discussing about finances ur boss did...........

is this the best you can come up with? We are discussing about religion. It is the dai who has made religion into an extortion racket.

Every time I post something, you have to comment on my nom de guerre. Remember two can play this game. Is the level of civility that is taught to you in your sabaks?