Dawoodi Bohra Forum

anajmi wrote:

you are an idiot, even ALLAH is not visible and though he is creator he lets people to get killed and injustice is prevailed in this world, yet he is silent?

So if Allah is not doing anything because of hiqmah, why do we need the Imam to do nothing because of hiqmah? If Allah created the Imam, wouldn't it be to do something? Or is the Imam the first actual useless thing that Allah created?

even that is HIQMAH, and wahabi ghadeda wont understand it, because you lack walayat of ahlul bayt.

your worship is mechanical and free from walayat which will be washed away by ALLAH as per Quran.


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The way kawi says To Imam Hussain,

May Allah condemn and damn the people who laid the basis and set up the groundwork, to wander astray and turn aside from not only you and your family but to take liberties and bear hard upon you.

May Allah condemn and damn the people who tried to obscure and deny your office and status, willfully neglected your rank and class Allah had made know in clear terms. May Allah condemn and damn the people who killed you.

May Allah condemn and damn the abettors who instigated and had a part in your murder. I turn to you and Allah, away from them, their henchmen, their followers and their friends,

O Abu Abdullah, I pray and invoke Allah to send blessings on you. I make peace with those who make their peace with you, I make war on those who go to war against you, till the Day of Judgment.

Hamd wrote:1500 covert?



btw how many progressive munafiq are in KQ team?

Akhtiar Wahid wrote:Wish i could give you Mr Crater lake a thousand likes, in short you killed the Hornet!

Im Not

Bother Hamd
Your ghaib Imam has only worked for you and your parasitic family. If he was/is a imam than how come he keeps choosing the most stupid for the Bhora Dai (Roti Machine). It is similar to the Afghannies getting Hameed Karzai or Iraqi's getting Nur Ul Malaiki.

Stop talking about the sons of Mola Ali and the Dai and his stupid family in the same paragraph. Haramkhor and Kamchore.

tasneem786yaali wrote:

Hamd wrote:1500 covert?



btw how many progressive munafiq are in KQ team?

Akhtiar Wahid wrote:Wish i could give you Mr Crater lake a thousand likes, in short you killed the Hornet!

Im Not

Not a single munafiq is with SKQ TUS. Thousands of Mumineen are with him. Some close by, some from far.

Hamd wrote:.... that is HIQMAH, and wahabi ghadeda wont understand it,

i have been to saudi arabia dozens of times and travelled extensively all over the kingdom. i have been to some of the most remotest regions in the deserts and the mountains and encountered innumerable donkeys (ghadedas). i can confidently say that not one of those ghadedas understood HIQMAH. i even consulted eminent veterinary doctors who specialise in treatment and study of ghadedas owned by saudi wahabis. they all categorically asserted that it was not possible for any wahabi owned ghadeda or any other ghadeda for that matter, to understand HIQMAH.

but lo, miracle of miracles! when i came to india, i encountered almost 1 lakh ghadedas owned by mufatlal who also did not understand HIQMAH! these ghadedas in question are the ones known as abdes. unlike the saudi species, which is quite rebellious and obstinate (khacchar jeva, adiyal tattu), i found the abde ghadeda to be quite meek, compliant and naive. this abde ghadeda species has a curious tendency to fall in prostration when yelled at or threatened with isolation from the pack. apparently the abde species likes to huddle in dense groups where the positive is that they find comfort and warmth, but on the flip side they can be easily controlled by fierce barking dogs called amils who can keep them in check. in this respect, the so-called wahabi ghadas were found to be far more defiant and belligerent than the abde ghadas.

i tried engaging ghadas of various species and regions of the world to verify their grasp and understanding of HIQMAH. all of them fell woefully short.

in conclusion, hamd, if you have to contemplate teaching HIQMAH to any particular species of donkeys, i strongly suggest you start with abde ghadedas. they are much more compliant and amenable to stern lessons, kicks and blows. let me know if you need any help.

Hamd, kitni baar samjaya ki bhai AZ ke muh mat lag par tu hai ki manta hi nahi...le ban gaya gadheda...
Enjoi

Crater Lake wrote:

tasneem786yaali wrote: Im Not

Not a single munafiq is with SKQ TUS. Thousands of Mumineen are with him. Some close by, some from far.

What a joke... Which world are you in? thousands? . lets say maybe 200(that too seems exxagerated).

You are destined for failure.. its not IF. its WHEN. . very soon inshallah

All those supporting Khuzaima with over confidence including his chhokras have already started their timeline for their downfall.. it could be health, wealth, loss etc.. i have already seen some of the qutbis suffering calamities in their family or injuries or serious health issues..

Ask kq about his Bakersfield farm.. hope the crop is doing welll with the drought.. )

I hope the Qutbis become Dawoodis again and let the wahabis and munafiq on this group go to hell which they deserve..

noor5253 wrote:

Crater Lake wrote: Not a single munafiq is with SKQ TUS. Thousands of Mumineen are with him. Some close by, some from far.

What a joke... Which world are you in? thousands? . lets say maybe 200(that too seems exxagerated).

You are destined for failure.. its not IF. its WHEN. . very soon inshallah

All those supporting Khuzaima with over confidence including his chhokras have already started their timeline for their downfall.. it could be health, wealth, loss etc.. i have already seen some of the qutbis suffering calamities in their family or injuries or serious health issues..

Ask kq about his Bakersfield farm.. hope the crop is doing welll with the drought.. )

I hope the Qutbis become Dawoodis again and let the wahabis and munafiq on this group go to hell which they deserve..

Ummm we Dawoodi Bohra's are all doing well Alhamdolillah! Everyone is hale and hearty and prosperous. Thanks for your concern. It is your ilk that I see commiting suicide and beating each other up and ranting curses from the takhat...tsk tsk...

I forgot, getting in trouble with other Muslimeen, putting foot in mouth on women's issues and making an ass of themselves in Disney carriages...

AND we are never furtively looking around ourselves with suspicion on people who MIGHT have given misaq to MS the claimant! You on the other hand need to worry about the few thousand who have given misaq to SKQ TUS and are still attending your majalis under duress.

Hamd

What is Hiqma?

There is no word حقمة in arabic or lisan e dawat.

Its is Hikma in Arabic حكمة

I dont know if Muffy has invented some new sort of Hiqma.

I think when he went off script he said " Jaman Na luqma ma che Hikma Dikra" he often puts his foot in mouth!

Hussain_KSA wrote:Hamd

What is Hiqma?

There is no word حقمة in arabic or lisan e dawat.

Its is Hikma in Arabic حكمة

I dont know if Muffy has invented some new sort of Hiqma.

Hamd simply mis-trasliterated the word حكمة.

Hikma (Hikmat in lisan-e-dawat) means Wisdom. The word is particularly used by the religious to fend off any questioning about the actions of God, Hidden Imam or the Dai which do not make much sense. Actions are attributed to some mysterious workings of their divine minds. God and Hidden Imam cannot clearly be questioned. And the Dai must not be questioned.

Many occurrences like natural disasters, unexplained accidents, and human 'mistakes' in which many lives are lost are attributed to divine wisdom. Particularly poignant situations where the innocent suffer needless illness or punishment, like a baby born with cancer, are explained away as the workings of the divine wisdom.

Some things considered beneficial are also considered hikmat for which no explanation can be offered.

Religious people sometimes concoct an explanation for the disasters. They say it is divine trial for the completely innocent to test the strength of their faith (Iman). A good example in the Scriptures is that of Job (Ayyub). It is said that Satan challenged God that the faith of his most trusting follower will not survive the trial of extreme illness. To prove Satan wrong, God inflicted Job with punishment, torturing the poor guy with plague after plague to test his faith. Thus God has given example how the faithful are tested. This is hikmat, حكمة made plain and transparent.

fayyaaz wrote:.... Thus God has given example how the faithful are tested. This is hikmat, حكمة made plain and transparent.

there is also another example of hiqmah. some faithful cannot take the pain of god's tests, turn against god and convert into atheists. then they start lecturing those who believe in god. This is hikmat, حكمة made plain and transparent

Funny that a confessed Atheist can not defend the Atheism but can tell you everything about religion and keeps on defending religions and religious beliefs.
No wonder people living in Los Angles are known as Loonies and Fayyaz represents them very well

Al Zulfiqar wrote:

fayyaaz wrote:.... Thus God has given example how the faithful are tested. This is hikmat, حكمة made plain and transparent.

there is also another example of hiqmah. some faithful cannot take the pain of god's tests, turn against god and convert into atheists. then they start lecturing those who believe in god. This is hikmat, حكمة made plain and transparent

Another example of حكمة is when a Bohra cannot stand the trial of being a Bohra and turns against the religion of his parents into an ex-Bohra, where he no longer carries e-Jamaat card and ceases to attend Bohra functions altogether. Ex-Bohra may have a religion like anajmi's Pure Islam or AZ's 'God knows what'.

A further example of حكمة is when a Bohra turns against the religion of his parents into an anti-Bohra but to carries an e-Jamaat card, pay his Jamaat dues and continues to participate in Bohra functions. Anti-Bohras swear that his religion is Pure Bohraism as practiced some time before the era of the 51st Dai and particularly during the the era of the medieval Fatimid Empire of Egypt. These anti-Bohras display hypocrisy in mild to extreme forms. SBM is the prime example of the one who openly supports SMS and his organization and then rails against him anonymously on this forum. Effing Hypocrite with capital H.

SBM wrote:Funny that a confessed Atheist can not defend the Atheism but can tell you everything about religion and keeps on defending religions and religious beliefs.
No wonder people living in Los Angles are known as Loonies and Fayyaz represents them very well

This is not a forum about atheism. There is no need to talk about it But if you do, create a new thread in the 'Here and Now' subforum.

And this is further example of the depleted state of your Grey Matter. It is that you say I defend religions. In fact I don't.

Also, you say I defend religious beliefs, In fact I don't.

What I defend is the right of people to hold and practice whatever religious beliefs they have.

I have repeated that many times. I hope you get it this time you dumbel....

@ SBM - and i dont think Fayyaz can be clearer than that.

when an abde moron, a brain-dead moron like me can understand that fayaaz doesnt give 2 hoots about whether one follows Shia, Sunni or Wahabi school of thought, or whether we pray to Lord voldermort, Sauron or Dumbeldore, then i fail to see how come you dont see it? or are you just deliberately ignoring it so you can gang up on him and trounce on him everytime u can????
i suspect it to be the latter

he has made it amply clear that he even gives wahabis freedom to practice their version of Islam too, but what he denounces, is them stuffing their version down others throats. Again, i fail to see how come you dont see it? or are you again deliberately ignoring it so you can gang up on him and trounce on him everytime u can????
i again suspect it to be the latter