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You know, I am wondering, what are the other pressing issues facing the muslim ummah these days, other than figuring out which day eid is on!!

1400 years and the idiot maulvis haven't been able to figure out something as simple as this.

Originally posted by anajmi:
You know, I am wondering, what are the other pressing issues facing the muslim ummah these days, other than figuring out which day eid is on!!

They are a busy lot, actually. Right now, it is all about designing the proper attire for women in Australia. They are into fashion and design, and they appear to agree with you sense of aesthetics. Ralph Lauren step aside, Mullah Akbar bin Sultan is the next fashion tycoon.

The decision on Eid can wait.....

Originally posted by Humsafar:
a Mulsim Ummah is an utopian hope. There never was one and never will be one.

Tolerating the differences is only key to unity.

Moreover its a spiritual unity(correct me if going wrong) an outcome of the feeling of the people of different walks of life that they share same God,Book and Prophets.

Its childish to believe , muslims will be called a united community only when they have one caliph sitting in ksa and heading the council of ministers looking after the interests of entire ummah.

Our faith is weaken .
We unite at times on negative bases.America unites us when she attack on muslim populated nation.We are united against jews because we have deep rooted hate towards them.
Never forget the cartoonist...
Indian muslims seems united due to advanis,rss ,shiv sena .
It reminds me when a visionary Maulana Azad requested to the people migrating to the other side of border''dont leave your birthplace,you ll be united here because your enemy will be common.''He sensed this decade back.

Differences are obvious and desirable on any issues in Islam.That is why we have more than one school of thoughts,worshipping under one roof.

Recently we have got an excellent solution imported from an Islamic republic ... eleminate one who has opposite views ....Bullets in reply of words.

Bullets are cheaper ,words require intelligence...which we are out of stock.

Islamic fashion isn't a pressing issue for the muslims but for the presstitudes and war mongers in the west. According to one headline that I saw, the Australian Imam supports rape.

It is just another excuse for the presstitudes and the war mongers in the west to justify their "liberation" and "democratization" of the muslims which, unfortunately for them, isn't working out too well.

It's a pity that the Average Moron in America is either too gullible or just apathetic.

Anjami
Why are you so ANTI WESTERN? West didnot impose their will on Muslims. Muslims are the one who are coming to West to do fund raising for their pet projects in East. Why do you blame western government if they are smart enough to manipulate idiots like the shaikhs and mullahs and dictators of the Muslim countries to benefit their people.
Atleast in Western counties we are able to criticize our leaders and call them names, Can you do that in Islamic Countires, try that in Saudi Arabia or any other Muslim countries. Hijab is banned in Tunisia, Turkey, women are not allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia and a rape victim Imaran in India get ostercized of not fault of hers.
So my brother make changes from within first. With all the faults West has atleast they do allow freedom of speech and practice of religion. HIJAB AND NIQAB is more of a cultural issue than religious issue and MULLAHS to keep a control on their flocks have made it a bigger issue then education and advancement.

omabharti,

West didnot impose their will on Muslims.

There goes all your "education" down the drain. You might want to start reading some more books.

And you my friend open your eyes and broaden your horizon.

And it is because of West's advancement that you are using this INTERNET to express yourselfand it is because of their research and foresight that you can use your communication to criticise them. It is because of their emphasis on eduction and training that people in West are not dying of Dengue

You are right, what an idiot I am, now that I have the internet it is ok for the west to kill muslims. I apologize and I will make it up to you and the west.

Hey, let me know if the west needs a blowjob and you need some rest. I have the internet, I should be willing to do that too!!

So the blowjob work did start with idiots like you

And most of killing by Saddam and Al Qaid and Lashkar E Toiba they are all western good job defending
Kaaba was destroyed by Muslims and not the western civilization

omabharti,

I also have cable, what do I do know. Lick someone's a s s? Whose tastes good? I am sure you know, with all the white a s s licking that you have been doing all your life.

I apologize to the other's on this thread for having this stupid conversation with idiotic puppets of the western "civilization". This will be my last post on this topic unless it is on the subject of eid.

You apologizing for your stupidity is like a prostitute apologizing for her promiscuity.

A prostitute who apologizes for her promiscuity is better than a prostitute who does not.

Originally posted by Humsafar:
Let there be a million interpretations of the Quran, and a million Eids.

Alas...In the last 1400 yrs of Islamic history,we have less than 100 interpretations(tafsirs) ...
Not even one interpretation per hundred year.

we worked very less .. very slow.
lets pray and hope that there be if not million at least thousands of interpretataions.
then certainly we would have a reason to celeberate "eid"everyday,everywhere.

ASA
What is amazing is MF has no opinion on ANJAMI's beration of the America. MF has never wasted a second in producing HAdiths and Islam does asks us to be loyal to the country (as long as it does not goes aginst Islam) we stay and which provides us all kind of freedom of speech and religion, And last time MF mentioned that he lives in Boston so why this defening silence against Anjami's tirade against America and the West

Muslim First,

Man! You are truly the root cause of the problem in Islam...IGNORANCE, AND THE LACK OF REASON...Something Imam Ali A.S. said we should all have in religion.

Dude, the WORLD, the SCIENTIFIC knowledge is IRREFUTABLE as to WHEN the moon appears and when it doesn't. There IS NO LOGIC in saying that since the moon was not seen, it ain't there! That's sheer STUPIDITY! IT'S TIME TO CALL IT LIKE IT IS, NOT HOW IT MIGHT BE!

How DUMB can you get when in the SAME COUNTRY, people disagree on the sighting of the Moon? Such stupidity is the reason why the world laughs at Muslims...SHEER STUPIDITY!

And have you EVER FOR A SECOND thought about what the Moon represents? Of course, you are too brain washed into watching the damn moon to realize the connotations behind it! THINK, MY FRIEND!

!!!!!!!!!T H I N K!!!!!!!!!!!!

We the EDUCATED Muslims are responsible for the demise of Islam....people like you who are both arrogant and ignorant to make a change, and not accepting the truth.

Your idiocy is what drive morons like the Talibans and other s$itheads like Al-Qaeda on!

Al-Muizz,

Thinking comes after, first start with reading properly. Go back and read Muslim First's posts and then post your comments. That way, you would not risk appearing like an idiot.

should be intresting donkeys giving blowjobs

Originally posted by anajmi:
According to one headline that I saw, the Australian Imam supports rape.

Nothing strange..nothing to worry and no complains..

let us refresh basics again..
In the early days when we were able to count muslims on our ten fingures.
The non beleivers of mecca, used to go for business or visit other tribes started informing about A Man who claimed to be a messenger of Allah.
They also advice them to keep themselves away from "the Magician".
They sat on different routes coming to mecca during pilgrimage ,telling people that they have a ''possessed" person ,dont listen to him.
Ibn e hisham noted that "people point fingures "towards him(pbuh) when prophet walks during local fair.
They made the Job easier.
.Almighty helped his messenger .
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YUSUFALI: They plot and plan, and Allah too plans; but the best of planners is Allah.

The only thing the newspaper lacks is their knowledge about fundamentals of advertising:

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Anajmi,

The problem with losers like you, is a 3rd class education in Pakistan, and a 4th class attitude and intellect! A big mouth and a small cranium makes a deadly combination.....even Imam Ali A.S. cautioned us against your kind!

A quote from Muslim First:
"Pro-frog
Look at your calender

Islamic month should start when it is good posibility of sighting the moon. Check your calander.>>>>SIGHTING THE MOON???MORON! THE MOON'S THERE WHETHER YOU SEE IT OR NOT!

Bohra month of Shawwal al-Mukarram1427H started on sundown of October 22nd. Was there possibility of seeing moon after sunset on October 22nd in Bombay?
Answer is no.
Did Syedna see moon in Bombay on October 22nd?
NO.

The reason Muslims in USA went for Eid on Monday bacause it was possible to see the moon at San Diego (angle is 9.8º >Danjon Limit, and moonset is 8 minutes after sunset so it is present above the horizon. At Longitude 179:59W and latitude 45:00S Moonset is 71 min after sunset. Age is 25.4 hours and is 11.3 degrees above horizon).

See, Anajmi, there is a reason why we in the US don't want your kind of morons in our country....such stupidity ought to be confined to Pakistan!

Br. Al-Muizz
AS
Brother, you have some attitude. Brother I am a educated person with M.S in engineering. I own 35 person engineering company. I can understand science of travel of moon and visibility. I am not a Jahedi of Talibn or Wahabi. I am a normal person with strong belief in Islam (That is Quran and Sunnah of our Prophet).

I have worked to establish Islamic Center which is considered very inclusive of believers of all persuasion. We at our center attempted to calculate moon sighting for both Eids. It did not fly because at that time people were still attached to their home countries and wanted to celebrate Eid on same day as their native countries. We have a Turkish mosque here and Imam there says they will always follow calculate Turkish calendar.

Criteria developed by Fiqh council meets with Sunnah of Prophet for 48 States of USA, therefore is acceptable to me. This does not mean that moon sighting is possible in India on same day.

Wasalaam

Correction
Please read

am an educated-----

Al-Muizz,

I am not sure what you are babbling about, but one thing I was able to guess is that you don't have a clue about the moon and moon sighting. May be you missed a class in Harvard.

Try Yale, your President went there too and look how he turned out.

One no longer needs a class at Harvard about the moon or its sightings. It is now rudimentary, yet Muslims cannot accept science, common sense or trust another Muslim to have sighted the moon even in a traditional sense.

Please post Hadith that ignorance is Islamic.

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Br.AB
AS
You wrote:

yet Muslims cannot accept science, common sense or trust another Muslim to have sighted the moon even in a traditional sense.

Ignorance is bliss. I hope unlike Al-Muizz you have read what I have posted regarding Moon sighting and beginning of Islamic month. All the Hadith I know implores you to trust sighting of moon by 2 trusted (or one in different Hadith). Islam allows you to define whether moon sighting is good for a village, a town, a city, a state, a nation or group of adjacent state. In USA we are learning to accept Science in making sure that moon is sighted at predicted times. If someone claims to see moon in Houston when it is not possible to sight in Western tip of California then that claim is refused. There are many factors which can lead to falls sighting even if person is trustworthy.

So please get off you high horse. You are not discussing with ignorant people.

Wasalaam

Originally posted by Average Bohra:
One no longer needs a class at Harvard about the moon or its sightings.

In general one may not need such a class anymore. I agree with you absolutely. I was only referring to Average Morons.

Here the question arises, as moon can not be sighted concurrently everywhere, then an imaginitive islamic world will never be united in celeberating any occasson.

The sighting of moon is described in hadiths, I understand, even the staunchest supporters of hadith discount some of the hadiths we find in six correct books. Now the question arises, if the integrity of any narration in a factual book is lost, it also reflects on the integerity of the author.

In quran, there is no specific ruling for sighting of moon. Even we take the hadith as right, it was "an" act to start the month. At that time, there was no mechanism to find the exact apprerance of moon. So phophet (pbuh) described the procedure. We can understand that civilization was not so advanceed at that time, and he did not have access to gadgets that we have now. So, instead of beating bush around sighting of moon, why can't we just come up with a comprehensive lunar calendar for all the year to come. It will take uncertainity out, let us calculate the lunar year according to the position of kaaba.

But yet, it will require innovative and rational interpretation of islamic theology.