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[znanwalla]

Najmi,


finding the truth is not the same as embarking on an orchestrated campaign of villification and defamation....when you were born and your mother said to you who your father was, did you go on the journey of seeking evidence or did you believe your mother? Then why would you not believe what your Prophet has told you when you are willing to accept and believe the revelations which he brought to you all ? why pick and choose? or did the prophet leave his message incomplete for you folks to complete for him?....Allah says "faith is written in the hearts".....or do you think I do not recognize your coyness and act of pretense here? or do you think Imamat is a concoction of the Sh'ias? before you even talk of the ismaili Imamat you need to first discuss Imamat in its generality and its specifics - not simply jump any ladders !.....so take your lie of the land elsewhere and fool your folks at home....

2:181 "...If any one changes the bequest After hearing it, The guilt shall be on those Who make the change. For Allah hears and knows All things..."

Sura Yaseen...38. And the sun runneth on unto a resting-place for him. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Wise. 39. And for the moon We have appointed mansions till she return like an old shrivelled palm-leaf. 40. It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit. 41. And a token unto them is that We bear their offspring in the laden ship

The TWO Precious things....

These two unprecedented and magnificent things, each of which is weightier than the heaven and the earth, or rather the entire universe, are the Qur'ân and its Teacher (the Imam) whom the Prophet appointed as his khalifah or successor. It is they who are the rope of God which is stretched from the heaven to the earth to lift the people of the earth to the heaven (Sharh, X, 481)." [Source: Tawil 669: A Thousand Wisdoms.....so Imamat is the Rope of Allah ! and which you do not accept ! so no need to then say let us discuss ismaili Imamat....for what? whom are you fooling?

zn

[Aarif]

I am open to a sincere and honest discussion over this topic if you have the guts. Leave your trickeries and lying self behind and lets discuss.

There is no scope of sincere discussions with people who do not understand the meaning of sincerity... And next time if I walk out of a thread while debating with you, please assume that I am not interested in wasting my time on you.

[znanwalla]

Look who is talking ! do you think we are keen to talk to you ? It is you who is seemingly interested to interfere in other people's faith and become a self appointed moronic judge from a pig sty ! so mind your .....business man...don't waste our time too....."5: 11 Those who reject faith And deny Our Signs Will be Companions Of Hell-fire..."

Muslims are also obligated to develop a social environment where goodness
flourishes and evil is discouraged and where there is balance and justice....so you are evil if you claim ADL is not part of your Pillar of faith ! Then you bark at us ! How naive?

zn

[anajmi]

Admin,

znan has been referring to Arif as Najmi which means that they have access to member information. How did they come to know this information? This is highly confidential information. Why are you sharing member information with the Ismaili? What if my family members are now threatened by the Ismailis? I would request you to immediately take action and delete all posts that expose my identity.

[pardesi]

There is no scope of sincere discussions with people who do not understand the meaning of sincerity... And next time if I walk out of a thread while debating with you, please assume that I am not interested in wasting my time on you.

Good! "To you yours". What I don't understand is what was the point in grinding your axe when you responded to Humsafar? Never mind. Please don't reply.

[znanwalla]

Somebody please throw a bone at Najmi....his tongue is sagging out ...he finds it necessary to lick the.......but make sure he does not get E-Coli !


Najmi, do you understand the difference between asking a question and making a statement of fact? I still suspect that you are Areef and Vice versa....I am open about this doubt ! ...and now you are confirming this suspicion....Thanks !...but acting like a lap dog of the Admin makes you look more deficient !!!

zn

[anajmi]

Admin,

znan has just confirmed that she knows my identity. How do you expect people to participate on this board when you cannot keep their identities secret? What if the Italian Mafia shows up at my house to demand 20% khums and threatens my family? I expect you to take immediate action to protect me and my family from murderers.

Humsafar,

Your analogy about the mountains is slightly off. The Ismaili side of the mountain has been hidden by Hazrat Ali till the day of judgment. That is one side that the Ismaili can't climb up. So they climb up from the Sunni/Wahhabi side of the mountain. You must've seen how they quote from the quran which is easily available from Amazon and you must've seen them quote Abu Huraira from Bukhari. After reaching the top, however, they try to go to the hidden Ismaili side and they fall down - plop - and bump their heads. Each time they do this, they go a little bit more kookoo. The last couple of days, we witnessed most of the Ismailis go kookoo.

[anajmi]

This is what znan posted earlier in this thread

Now you folks show lewdness towards all and sundry ! You have never learn what it means to be gracious !

Now read what znan has just posted above in this thread

Somebody please throw a bone at Najmi....his tongue is sagging out ...he finds it necessary to lick the.......but make sure he does not get E-Coli !

It isn't just identity crisis znan is suffering from. Apparently she is kookoo all over!!

[znanwalla]

Najmi,.....if holding a suspicion that Areef and Najmi is one and the same person or ID and asking about it, is same as knowing an identity, then you must have gone to some third class madrassa and you must be surely belonging to a Pig sty......after all those who visit brothels and sleep with other muslim women in these brothels are just worthless like you are Najmi or whoever you are - who cares ?

You do ask stupid questions!in this world how many muslim Mullahs and Sheikhs divorce their wives daily and marry women who are as young ?

If you are following the sunnah of the Prophet then Prophet married 14 times at least and so why are you not legitimately doing the same instead of being deviant and decadent fools propagting Urfi hyperbole ?

In the face of threats and hatred, you and your cult members continues to tell the Muslims what we do not need to hear, what we dont want to hear. We have not been cowed by you idiots and retarded morons. Why should we? Any reason you rogue? any reason we will be in the future ?

We say nothing about your rampant anti-Jewish and christian sentiments which you have, which extends to horrifying and intellectually cowardly ideas.

You simply love to show hatred towards other faiths including the Jews and Christians living in their country And not just in the muslim count of others sects !

Everything is wrong .... from Osama to the dudes who ban women at the masjid, is the fault of the Jews, the West, capitalism, the Sufis, the Shia, and anything else under the sun. You are killing each other - did Bush force a machete in your hands or strap bombs on your bellies to blow up innocent men and women? so which mafia are you talking of? the one that you cult encourages? and uses your Sadaqa for? is that what you are saying huh? get lost !

Even paying Khums as you say so derogatorily when it is ordained in the Quran...It is never the fault of your cult !.The 19 people who blew up twin Towers belongs to your cult !Or was it an Italian mafia? huh?

Beneath your well-intentioned talk of moderation and acting as a sucker, the truth is that you are the crazies amongst us, and that the world is not dealing with you sufficiently.

Forty-four average brave Americans, overcame all of their fears of the unknown, of being hurt, of death to try and put a stop to your cult members. And though they all perished, they succeeded in stopping the hijackers from killing more everyday people on the ground. Some of you are acting coy now with all of us living in our country and enjoying our hospitality !

Those who behead people in public and stone women to death, practise apartheid in their Kingdom and wave the sword of apostasy over the heads of their fellow Muslim critics, should be the last people to speak or question anyone.

Too many Muslims have fallen victim to the rule of these maniacs in their midst !
Equality of all human beings and consideration of other faiths,is not just in their dignity and respect !

When President Bush visited Saudi Arabia in January, she continued, as an example, his presence briefly became a locus of hope for Saudi women.

"A lot of women were saying that they wished they could talk to Bush about problems like forced marriage, about how our children are taken away if our husbands divorce us.etc etc" ...Now you know the cult some of these..... belong to ? I am quite certain of my own identity because I do not rotate my IDs nor do I congratulate myself !!!

zn

[anajmi]

Admin,

if holding a suspicion that Areef and Najmi is one and the same person or ID

znan is having a suspicion about my ids. How did she get this suspicion? This simply means that you are not protecting our ids properly. What if Don Corleone decides to cut off my horse's head in the middle of night? How am I now supposed to protect my family and my horses if you cannot protect our IDs? Please delete all posts that insinuate about the truth about my IDs asap. Are you holding a grudge against the wahhabis? What kind of a neutral entity are you? Don't you realize that our IDs have been truly compromised? Please correct this before I have to move to another city.

[znanwalla]

How did I get the suspicion? You are behaving like something is crawling inside your pants !!! did you remove it? better do so otherwise you might get a swelling in the wrong place ... then what will your whores in the marketplace do huh? or should I say mistresses ?....You think this is the first group I belong to? OR do you think I do not evaluate and assess opponents and their style and modus operandi?....why would I not suspect when I find an irreuglarity of some sort? do you think I am the only one who believes this similarity !....dumbass !...zn

[Omar Bin Abubakar]

Why so emotional Znan?

[znanwalla]

Who me? Nah ! You must be "leaking" somewhere? just check !..zn

[danishwar]

something is crawling inside your pants !!! did you remove it? better do so otherwise you might get a swelling in the wrong place ... then what will your whores in the marketplace do huh? or should I say mistresses ?...

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You must be "leaking" somewhere? just check !

[anajmi]

This is what znan posted earlier in this thread

Now you folks show lewdness towards all and sundry ! You have never learn what it means to be gracious !

Now read her postings filled with graciousness

You are behaving like something is crawling inside your pants !!! did you remove it? better do so otherwise you might get a swelling in the wrong place ... then what will your whores in the marketplace do huh? or should I say mistresses ?

and more

Who me? Nah ! You must be "leaking" somewhere? just check !..zn

[anajmi]

Admin,

do you think I am the only one who believes this similarity

Now znan claims that more people know about my IDs. This is even more dangerous for my family. What if the crazy 88 show up at my house with their samurai swords? How will I protect my family from them? You have compromised our IDs. This is a conspiracy alongwith the Ismailis of the highest degree. I am going to change cities. Now please don't tell anybody that I am moving to the Ismaili Neverland.

[Aarif]

What I don't understand is what was the point in grinding your axe when you responded to Humsafar?

Pardesi,

What I do is my business. Please do not tell me what I should do and what I should not do. And as far as Humsafar's post is concerned I am sure that Humsafar understood what I said. If you do not understand what I say than that is your problem and not mine.

[Aarif]

Br. Anajmi,

Thanks for the entertainment. It has been quite a while since the Admin is sparing our posts. Well let's have fun till the axe is under control.

[Aarif]

I humbly request admin to totally ban/delete Islamili/Wahabi bashing involved from both ends that has degraded with profane language used and personal attacks all over the forum even after repeated warnings. I shall refrain from further postings until such demeaning effects are taken care of. This hinders the purpose and advancement for ethical discussions and reformation and further deters one from participation out of fear of getting bashed. Although tolerance of critcism and pertinent concerns have been willfully favoured, misusing them by untoward advocations and illwill must be stopped. I would hope that more of Dawoodi Bohra orthodox or mainstream and as well as religious minded personalities take keen part in civil discussions/debate of any nature.

Look who is talking. You should be the last person to write this kind of a hypocratic post. You have constantly abused Islam, its prophet and Quran on this forum at every single opportunity you could get hold of. At that time did you ever thought about any ethics? Religion is a matter of faith to start with. Going by that if you do not believe in Islam it does not mean that you go to an Islamic site and start abusing the religion... Let me be very honest with you. I will be very happy if you will refrain from further posting on this forum forever.

[Muslim First]

If you are following the sunnah of the Prophet then Prophet married 14 times at least and so why are you not legitimately doing the same instead of being deviant and decadent fools propagting Urfi hyperbole ?

Discussion thread about Prophet's wives is still open. I would leave Prophet and his wives alone, but Ismailis do not respect Prophet, his wives, His companions, Qur'an which was revealed to him (They call it Shaitan's book or Uthman's retention) or His Sunnah (except it is convient to them).

We say nothing about your rampant anti-Jewish and christian sentiments which you have, which extends to horrifying and intellectually cowardly ideas.

I thin it is other way around. All the material ZN and Turbo's post come fro Zionist or Christian site.

I just do not want to answer rest of crap.

[turbocanuck]

MF
Produce 1 (ONE)NIZARI ISMAILI article that portrays the Paak Rasool pbuh as a Pedophile, Wife Beater and a Murderer to confirm Ismaili DISRESPECTfor Prophet Muhammad as you claim, i will leave this forum FOREVER!!

if you cant, i will show you YOUR divine scripture, the Hadith ,to show the Paak Rasool as a Pedophile, Wife beater and a Murderer.........then YOU have to disappear from this Forum forever

Deal????

[znanwalla]

Just produce their ahadith and show these ---------- the reality that they are the ones who have disrespected and betrayed the Holy Prophet of Islam !

Who wants to follow these ----? we would rather follow the Prophet and the Prophet's family?

Would any sane person follow these -------------------- who themselves have sold their faith for a pittance at the hands of rogues? nah !

zn

[Aarif]

Produce 1 (ONE)NIZARI ISMAILI article that portrays the Paak Rasool pbuh as a Pedophile, Wife Beater and a Murderer to confirm Ismaili DISRESPECTfor Prophet Muhammad as you claim, i will leave this forum FOREVER!!

Turbocanuck,

Ismailis do not follow Islam as preached by the prophet and mentioned in Quran. They consider their Imam as replica of Allah. The prophet(pbuh) never gave this status to himself. However, the Ismailis do which means that they give more importance to Imam than prophet. They do all the things that are non-islamic. Is this not enough to insult the prophet???

Having said this it is high time you and znanwalla pack your bags and leave this forum...

[turbocanuck]

Arif, you can have wishful thinking all you want, we aint going away.....sorry. As far as "Real Islamic Practices"as you call them, are concerned, please tell us what they are? Is jihad with the Kafir/Infidel Islam? is Raping and molesting a 7 year old child Islam? FGM ? rectify and remove these Barbaric practices from YOUR brand of Islam, then come and ask us why we dont do things your way. Until then, delude yourself and believe we will leave. Although there is one way of getting rid of me....The challenge i accorded to MF, is now extended to you. if you cannot, then YOU disappear are you up to it? But Plleeaaaase dont tell me that the Ismailis are the enemies of the Paak Rasool.thats quite hilarious!!

[Muslim First]

Turbo

Please stick around and make yourself fool.

Without you and ZN who is going to entertrain us?

Take care

[Aarif]

The challenge i accorded to MF, is now extended to you. if you cannot, then YOU disappear

Believe me I am not the one who has written or translated that Ahadith which portrays our prophet in bad light and nor do I believe in that crap which allows me to marry a seven years old child... So there is no reason why I should disappear. But I know one thing for sure that you guys are NO way following Islam as rest of the muslims do (and this includes shias and sunni both). Just by copy/pasting misinterpretation of Hadith is not going to help you justify your stance as far as following Islam is concerned...

[Muslim First]

Br. Aaarif

I agree with you.

Anybody who believes in at least 5 founding principles of Islam and sincerely puts into action to his best ability or as per understanding of his madhab (I include shia Madhab too) then he is Muslim. Those who have abandoned Salah, Saum and Hujj have also abandoned Islam.

Wasalaam

[Muslim First]

Br. Aarif

Turbo has already posted those Ahadit.

Like I said before.

Hadith in the hands of uneducated person (In Ahadith Science) is like Razor in Monkey's hand.

Wasalaam

[znanwalla]

MF....You are denying your own ahadith huh? how smart ? You sound like a pompous buffoon to me !! isn't that the same way you also denied and rejected the Book of Allah? created your own fabrications and then called it "Book of Allah"?

Here enjoy and see what the cult you belong to is doing to islam !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l17LmCEp1QI

zn

[turbocanuck]

The challenge i accorded to MF, is now extended to you. if you cannot, then YOU disappear

Believe me I am not the one who has written or translated that Ahadith which portrays our prophet in bad light and nor do I believe in that crap which allows me to marry a seven years old child... So there is no reason why I should disappear. But I know one thing for sure that you guys are NO way following Islam as rest of the muslims do (and this includes shias and sunni both). Just by copy/pasting misinterpretation of Hadith is not going to help you justify your stance as far as following Islam is concerned...

Thats a real shame. You have today disowned the Exalted hadith that showed The paak Rasool as a Pedophile amongst other vile things. you guys go around preaching to be like the Prophet i.e the Sunnah. now according to your exalted hadith,the Holy Prophet DID marry a 6 year old and consumated the marriage to the child when she turned 9. Are you denying that? now read this.......I AM PROUD TO BE AN ISMAILI WHO FOLLOWS ISLAM AS PRESCRIBED BY THE IMAM-E-ZAMAN......NOTHING YOU OR OTHERS MAY DO TO CHANGE THAT. end of story. You guys can follow Islam that teaches you to slit throats, and criticize others. EACH TO HIS OWN so you guys gonna take my challenge?i didnt think so. If you want, i will post hadith from the Muslim websites that MF frequents, not some "kafir" websites....