Dawoodi Bohra Forum

As such, there is no list of halaal foods. So, anything which is not haraam, will be considered halal. If someone says that a particular food is haraam, then they need to provide evidence as to why it is haraam. Since Imam Jafar Sadiq has chosen not to do so, his guidance can be ignored as it would be against the Quran and the Sunnah of the prophet (saw).

anajmi wrote:As such, there is no list of halaal foods. So, anything which is not haraam, will be considered halal. If someone says that a particular food is haraam, then they need to provide evidence as to why it is haraam. Since Imam Jafar Sadiq has chosen not to do so, his guidance can be ignored as it would be against the Quran and the Sunnah of the prophet (saw).

Bohras should consider anajmi as their Imam. Lo, he has come out of purdah. Prophet said not to eat domestic donkey. He gave no reason. In that case, you should follow anajmi and eat your ass rather than ride it.

And why stop there? God says in the Quran that flesh of swine is prohibited. God gives no reason for it. So, we must follow anajmi and consume anything that moves. That includes humans too.

Silly season has now officially started. You can hear Mitt Romney tonight around 10 pm Eastern. That will take the candle as the highlight of the silly season!

Looks like you are turning into progticide sooner than I had expected. Do you know what I mean when I say "his guidance can be ignored as it would be against the Quran and the Sunnah of the prophet (saw)."? Obviously not.

Jafar Sadiq isn't infallible is he?

anajmi wrote:

Jafar Sadiq isn't infallible is he?

The Shia believe that he is.

And is that because he says so in Daim ul Islam?

You are right. Silly season is officially here.

Porus - shrimp and lobsters are allowed per dawoodi bohra fiqh

level_headed wrote:Porus - shrimp and lobsters are allowed per dawoodi bohra fiqh

I believe that you are correct. Although, they are not mentioned in Daimul Islam.

Although, they are not mentioned in Daimul Islam.

Looks like the bohras found a loophole to enjoy shrimps and lobsters eh? Now I understand why the bohra Imams and Dais need to be infallible.

porus wrote:Bohras follow general guidelines of the Quran when it comes to eating fish. For specifics, Daimul Islam can be referenced.

Imam Jafar al-Sadiq has laid out specific guidance about which sea food is halaal. This has been detailed in "The Book of Food" of Daimul Islam. The book does not give reasons for these pronouncements.

The following sea creatures are halaal:

1. Fish with scales
2. Whales

The following sea creatures are considered haraam:

1. Creatures which have no scales
2. Tortoise
3. Crabs (including shrimp, lobster and other creatures of the same family)
4. Eels
5. All kinds of shellfish
6. All halaal sea creatures which were already dead when caught.

Of course, other Muslim ulama may not agree with Imam Jafar al-Sadiq. For reasons, please pray for Imam Jafar al-Sadiq to reveal them in your dreams.

The list of halal states 2 items and Haraam has not to many what if a creature is not in either of the 2 lists

Dolphin is like a whale but has no scales is it haram ?

What about a creature from the river, crocodile , it has scales ?

No what about sea snake! It is not an eel?

You sea when humans try to be smarter than the Quran , one fails and complicates the life for no scientific reason. It is more that the humans who came after the Prophet SAw are trying to impose their personal choices onto everyone. By ignoring them one is not committing sin.

Stick to the quran and your life will be simple

It is He Who made the sea subservient to you so that you can eat fresh flesh from it..." (Qur'an, 16:14), "Anything you catch in the sea is lawful for you, and all food from it, for your enjoyment and that of travellers…" (Qur'an, 5:96)

ozmujaheed wrote: What about a creature from the river, crocodile , it has scales ?

No what about sea snake! It is not an eel?

You sea when humans try to be smarter than the Quran , one fails and complicates the life for no scientific reason. It is more that the humans who came after the Prophet SAw are trying to impose their personal choices onto everyone. By ignoring them one is not committing sin.

Stick to the quran and your life will be simple

It is He Who made the sea subservient to you so that you can eat fresh flesh from it..." (Qur'an, 16:14), "Anything you catch in the sea is lawful for you, and all food from it, for your enjoyment and that of travellers…" (Qur'an, 5:96)

It would appear that the silly season is now in full swing. We have all developed fish fetish.

anajmi had it correct. Follow the Quran for general guidance. For specifics, follow the Sunnat/Hadith of the Prophet. In addition, Shia follow the teachings of their Imams.

Some specifics from Prophet are not to eat lizards and snakes of any kind. He did not eat locusts but he declared them neither halaal nor haraam. He has said similar things about specific insects. These are not specified in the Quran but Muslims follow them none-the-less. Similarly, 3-Rakaat namaz for Mgharib Farz is not specified in the Quran but Muslims follow Prophet's example in it.

"Quran Alone" movement has never got off the ground. You cannot get away from its interpretation and that necessarily drags you to precedents.

Now let us all go to bed.

As explained to my high school class by a Islamiat teacher " if the fish has scales its halal, as far as other sea creatures,if the blood is not red its haram or makrooh".

seeker110 wrote:As explained to my high school class by a Islamiat teacher " if the fish has scales its halal, as far as other sea creatures,if the blood is not red its haram or makrooh".

Br seeker 110

Next time somebody issues Fatwa regarding 'Halal & Haram'. Ask them to back it up with Qur'an and authentic Sonnah.

Wasalaam

As I said it was my Islamiat teacher, you know the one that beats the most. No one would ask questions.Besides it has been a good piece of information to know. Having caught all kinds of fish and sea creatures, I knew which one to throw back or cut up and use for bait. Transparent blood = dont eat.

Sea food as we all know is a very good tonic for brain which is proved scientifically. Hence I feel that in bohraism, it is delibarately made more complicated to eat so that bohras dont acquire the extra intelligence lest they start "thinking" and "questioning" the corrupt dawat administration

Bohra standard for halal fish is strict. This may open another opportunity to keep graduating aamils employed lot of commission for Kothar.

Kothar should start Halal certfying agency. Every supplier will be required to obtain certification. It should bear BOH-H symbol. BOH-H stands for Bohra Halal.

It should be patterned after KOF-K certification for Jewish Kosher.
Here is some link on KOF-K

About KOF-K
http://www.kof-k.org/about

ghulam muhammed wrote:Sea food as we all know is a very good tonic for brain which is proved scientifically. Hence I feel that in bohraism, it is delibarately made more complicated to eat so that bohras dont acquire the extra intelligence lest they start "thinking" and "questioning" the corrupt dawat administration

Its a pity that you are allergic to sea food.

Porus f it is not mentioned in the Quran not to eat it , how does it become haram

If Islam wanted certain food to be haram it would say so in the quran?

I have no issue eating anything that is not restricted and clearlrly mentioned in the Quran, and there is no reason to fear that one is sinning. An authentic Hadith or community tradition can never Contradict Koran and should not.

ozmujaheed wrote:Porus f it is not mentioned in the Quran not to eat it , how does it become haram

If Islam wanted certain food to be haram it would say so in the quran?

I have no issue eating anything that is not restricted and clearlrly mentioned in the Quran, and there is no reason to fear that one is sinning. An authentic Hadith or community tradition can never Contradict Koran and should not.

If I want to follow the teachings of Islam, then I would do it in this order:

Quran, Sunna/Hadith, teachings of Imams/Dais if you are a Shia, pronouncements of Imams/Ulamas if you are Sunni, cultural traditions,common sense.

The last one is important too. Common housefly is not haraam. I dare you to eat it

porus wrote:
If I want to follow the teachings of Islam, then I would do it in this order:

Quran, Sunna/Hadith, teachings of Imams/Dais if you are a Shia, pronouncements of Imams/Ulamas if you are Sunni, cultural traditions,common sense.

The last one is important too. Common housefly is not haraam. I dare you to eat it

Whatever porus says it contradits:

[Shakir 5:87] O you who believe! do not forbid (yourselves) the good things which Allah has made lawful for you and do not exceed the limits; surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits.
[Pooya/Ali Commentary 5:87]

Islam does not allow to forbid the good things Allah has made lawful, as the self-denying Christians do.
Aqa Mahdi Puya says:
Some well meaning Muslims, imitating certain self-denying Christians, had vowed not to partake of delicious foods and to abstain from going in to their wives. This the Holy Prophet strongly disapproved, declaring in the assembly of his companions that there is no place for monks and ascetics in Islam because due to asceticism and severity many nations had been destroyed. Verse 93 of this surah, verse 2 of Ta Ha and verse 1 of Tahrim also discourage asceticism. So forbidding anything allowed by Allah and His Prophet is transgression, because either forbidding the lawful or allowing the forbidden (as had been done by many Muslim rulers) amounts to breaking the bounds of the divine law.

وَكُلُوا مِمَّا رَزَقَكُمُ اللَّهُ حَلَالًا طَيِّبًا ۚ وَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ الَّذِي أَنْتُمْ بِهِ مُؤْمِنُونَ {88}
[Shakir 5:88] And eat of the lawful and good (things) that Allah has given you, and be careful of (your duty to) Allah, in Whom you believe.
[Pooya/Ali Commentary 5:88] (see commentary for verse 87)

Aa Qaum thi vepaari
Have aavi bekaari
Machli ane khuraak par behas
Karobaar ni vaato thai have nahez

Br porus

Note this Pooya (a Shia) comment

Aqa Mahdi Puya says:
Some well meaning Muslims, imitating certain self-denying Christians, had vowed not to partake of delicious foods and to abstain from going in to their wives. This the Holy Prophet strongly disapproved, declaring in the assembly of his companions that there is no place for monks and ascetics in Islam because due to asceticism and severity many nations had been destroyed. Verse 93 of this surah, verse 2 of Ta Ha and verse 1 of Tahrim also discourage asceticism. So forbidding anything allowed by Allah and His Prophet is transgression, because either forbidding the lawful or allowing the forbidden (as had been done by many Muslim rulers) amounts to breaking the bounds of the divine law.

Yes religious leaders can say that it is preferable for certain sect not to eat certain food for test or senatiry reasons but to make it Haraam is out of bound for them.

Wasalaam

seeker110 wrote:As I said it was my Islamiat teacher, you know the one that beats the most. No one would ask questions.Besides it has been a good piece of information to know. Having caught all kinds of fish and sea creatures, I knew which one to throw back or cut up and use for bait. Transparent blood = dont eat.

Good advise brother but who gave you authority to declare something Halaal or Haraam?

My health and common sense.

seeker110 wrote:My health and common sense.

Thanks
May be you can share your your experience and teach us edible and unhealthy sea creatures in another thread.