Dawoodi Bohra Forum

either its salaam or Wajebaat the main thing is the chlldren sould not be doing with the money thats how you spoil the amils .and it spoil for the rest of bohras

Br. Porus
if you see the pictures of Los Angeles Jamat you can clearly see the children and Turab BS with Green Forms which are the forms for Wajebaat. They are not doing Salaam but Turab BS is going over the Wajebaat forms. I just hope that they are not using children to humiliate the parents for not paying enough.

accountability wrote:Porus, in those photos, child has a form in his hand, then he is doing salam, even though he may not be paying anything but still mimicking. so far as i understand wajebat is zakat, all other sub heads are of no or little importance, zakat is an important rukn of islam.
children are not liable to pay any zakat, and it is not a child's play. They do not understand what they are doing, except they are being trained to robotically follow the ritual for ever. This is child slavery in modern times, which has no place in any law or ethics. They are going too far with brain washing. Even in cults children are mostly spared, but our seems to be unique cult, which want to control our lives from cradle to grave.
In modern histroy there may not be any example of such a cult, which is so powerful, so forcing yet may not have any policing. They have successfully shown if practiced right, religion with a mix of superstitious and distorted interpretation spiced with so called miracles, infusion of greed and lust, can be a super tool to enslave an entire nation.

I am in full agreement with your sentiments. However, inculcating faith and ritual in very young children are normal human activities. It is up to parents. I know Bohra parents who refuse to send their children to madrassas run by our Jamaat, where most of this 'brainwashing' is inculcated.

Bohras, especially the ladies, value participation in Jamaat very highly. They are not particularly concerned with theology and they tacitly support it by actively and very joyously participating in Jamaat functions. Social life trumps theology.

A comment about Zakaat. Daaimul Islam requires that Zakaat be paid to Imam and no one else and Imam must not be asked how he uses the Zakaat funds. This now applies to the Dai. Zakaat makes up the major item of wajibaat. Others are minor only in amount but still important. That is why they are included in wajibaat which means Obligations. If you object to collection of Zakaat by the Dai, then you must put forward a critique of Daaimul Islam.

[From the pictures, the forms children carry do look like Wajibaat forms. But can we be sure that they are? In our town, no forms are required for children for this purpose.]

accountability wrote:Porus, in those photos, child has a form in his hand, then he is doing salam, even though he may not be paying anything but still mimicking. so far as i understand wajebat is zakat, all other sub heads are of no or little importance, zakat is an important rukn of islam.
children are not liable to pay any zakat, and it is not a child's play. They do not understand what they are doing, except they are being trained to robotically follow the ritual for ever. This is child slavery in modern times, which has no place in any law or ethics. They are going too far with brain washing. Even in cults children are mostly spared, but our seems to be unique cult, which want to control our lives from cradle to grave.
In modern histroy there may not be any example of such a cult, which is so powerful, so forcing yet may not have any policing. They have successfully shown if practiced right, religion with a mix of superstitious and distorted interpretation spiced with so called miracles, infusion of greed and lust, can be a super tool to enslave an entire nation.

Don't you teach your children how to pray Namaz, even when they are too young to understand what they are doing?
Similarly Zakat payment by children is a learning process. It is just a paltry sum from their pocket monies.
And who said only head of family should pay Zakat?

profastian wrote:

accountability wrote:Porus, in those photos, child has a form in his hand, then he is doing salam, even though he may not be paying anything but still mimicking. so far as i understand wajebat is zakat, all other sub heads are of no or little importance, zakat is an important rukn of islam.
children are not liable to pay any zakat, and it is not a child's play. They do not understand what they are doing, except they are being trained to robotically follow the ritual for ever. This is child slavery in modern times, which has no place in any law or ethics. They are going too far with brain washing. Even in cults children are mostly spared, but our seems to be unique cult, which want to control our lives from cradle to grave.
In modern histroy there may not be any example of such a cult, which is so powerful, so forcing yet may not have any policing. They have successfully shown if practiced right, religion with a mix of superstitious and distorted interpretation spiced with so called miracles, infusion of greed and lust, can be a super tool to enslave an entire nation.

Don't you teach your children how to pray Namaz, even when they are too young to understand what they are doing?
Similarly Zakat payment by children is a learning process. It is just a paltry sum from their pocket monies.
And who said only head of family should pay Zakat?

all DB kids shud be send to mecca by kothar to learn haj rituals,and when they return back they shud be sent for jihad training, weird brainless nit