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Re: Aqa Moula doing miracles?

Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:39 am
by Hussain_KSA
Labbaik

If you would have written this, Al Zulfiqar would have definately ask this question. He wont becasue if he want to know he would write to me directly. I already mentioned for the sake of propriety names and location are withheld.

I would like to request you no to use "ibne yazeed" as it is un appropriate. Try to use other method to register your protest.

Re: Aqa Moula doing miracles?

Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 4:17 am
by sixfeetunder
mustafanalwalla wrote:to everyone who belittled me and my experience, i say this "i don't give a damn"
Fact is that the last thing i am is an 'abde'
I am not particularly religous and i certainly did not see Syedna as anything other than an old, well-read man, who people believe will teach them the right path.
infact, over the last few months, after reading all these debates, i was actually beginning to think that you guys, maybe, are right...
But, i know what happened.
So, say what you want too, but i will continue believing in what i want too.

I'm just wondering what ever happened to democracy and the power to speak ones own mind without being belittled everytime.
The religion of Islam came to eradicate superstitions and middlemen (priests), which had corrupted the original deen of Allah (swt). Today, among the Bohras, priesthood has again modified that great religion called Islam, which empowered men, into a superstitious cult and reduced the 'best of creation' into mere fauna.

Islam empowers humankind to have confidence in the infinite source of power called Allah - Allah empowered humans to solve their own problems by having faith in him and not mortals who are also dependent on Allah. Sure, there are intermediaries who help you reach Allah - these intermediaries are the Prophets, saints and Imams - who guide men to Allah.

However, today, the average Bohra does not have even basic knowledge about Islam, Allah, his Prophet and Islamic history in general. The High priest commands submission to himself. A friend of mine asks his needs from Syedna by gazing at his huge picture and asking him directly. Most Bohras have no idea of what the concept of 'Tawassul' is. This is the sorry state of affairs.

There are many Non-Muslims who worship idols and ask from them. They get what they ask for and thank their idols. Do you think the idols have provided them what they had asked for? No. It is only Allah who can provide. Allah - who is the infinite source of everything. Allah provides for everyone - those who ask and those who do not. Men fool themselves by thinking that the source was different from Allah.

However, if you ask an intermediary for help, knowing that Allah is the only one who can actually provide, it is a different case. Now, in the case of Syedna, I do not understand how he helped you, when you only thought of him - instant worldwide telepathy? That too when he is alive and constricted by material forces? I do not know whether such a concept existed in the long list of previous Dai's. I strongly doubt it.

So, when you called out to Syedna for help, it was Allah who helped you and you should thank him because he is closer to you than your jugular vein and he says that himself in the Qur'an. Please read it.

Re: Aqa Moula doing miracles?

Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 3:19 am
by profastian
sixfeetunder wrote:
mustafanalwalla wrote:to everyone who belittled me and my experience, i say this "i don't give a damn"
Fact is that the last thing i am is an 'abde'
I am not particularly religous and i certainly did not see Syedna as anything other than an old, well-read man, who people believe will teach them the right path.
infact, over the last few months, after reading all these debates, i was actually beginning to think that you guys, maybe, are right...
But, i know what happened.
So, say what you want too, but i will continue believing in what i want too.

I'm just wondering what ever happened to democracy and the power to speak ones own mind without being belittled everytime.
The religion of Islam came to eradicate superstitions and middlemen (priests), which had corrupted the original deen of Allah (swt). Today, among the Bohras, priesthood has again modified that great religion called Islam, which empowered men, into a superstitious cult and reduced the 'best of creation' into mere fauna.

Islam empowers humankind to have confidence in the infinite source of power called Allah - Allah empowered humans to solve their own problems by having faith in him and not mortals who are also dependent on Allah. Sure, there are intermediaries who help you reach Allah - these intermediaries are the Prophets, saints and Imams - who guide men to Allah.

However, today, the average Bohra does not have even basic knowledge about Islam, Allah, his Prophet and Islamic history in general. The High priest commands submission to himself. A friend of mine asks his needs from Syedna by gazing at his huge picture and asking him directly. Most Bohras have no idea of what the concept of 'Tawassul' is. This is the sorry state of affairs.

There are many Non-Muslims who worship idols and ask from them. They get what they ask for and thank their idols. Do you think the idols have provided them what they had asked for? No. It is only Allah who can provide. Allah - who is the infinite source of everything. Allah provides for everyone - those who ask and those who do not. Men fool themselves by thinking that the source was different from Allah.

However, if you ask an intermediary for help, knowing that Allah is the only one who can actually provide, it is a different case. Now, in the case of Syedna, I do not understand how he helped you, when you only thought of him - instant worldwide telepathy? That too when he is alive and constricted by material forces? I do not know whether such a concept existed in the long list of previous Dai's. I strongly doubt it.

So, when you called out to Syedna for help, it was Allah who helped you and you should thank him because he is closer to you than your jugular vein and he says that himself in the Qur'an. Please read it.
How do you know what the Quran says is true?

Re: Aqa Moula doing miracles?

Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 7:11 am
by blackstallion
profastian wrote: How do you know what the Quran says is true?

Ok, Mr Profastian, before I answer your question "How do you know what the Quran says is true?" here read this...and if by any chance you agree you will get your answer.

In the name of Allah, We praise Him, seek His help and ask for His forgiveness. Whoever Allah guides none can misguide, and whoever He allows to fall astray, none can guide them aright. We bear witness that there is no one (no idol, no person, no grave, no prophet, no imam, no dai, nobody!) worthy of worship but Allah Alone, and we bear witness that Muhammad (saws) is His slave-servant and the seal of His Messengers.

The honest truth is that I cannot make you (or anybody else for that matter) a believer. I can only invite you to become a believer in Allah and the Last Day. To make one a believer or leave him astray is in the Domain and Power of Allah Alone. The fact is that there is only one Quran, one version of Islam, and there was only one Mohamed ibn Abdulla, the Last Messenger of Allah (saws).

But that is not the issue here. Let us try to think with logic and reasoning whether this whole Universe, and you, and I, were created by some Creator, or did everything simply come into existence on its own. We do this exercise, not to argue and prove someone right or wrong... but rather to increase our own knowledge and guidance. We will set no pre-conditions, no prejudice, no intolerance, and no discrimination for our talk. Just plain and simple, honest logic, reasoning and commonsense.

A believer is one who believes in Allah, in all His Messengers, in all His Revealed Books, in The Hereafter, in The Angels, and in His Divine Destiny.
An atheist is one who does not believe in any God as his creator, thus neither His Messenger, thus neither the Quran, and thus neither the Hereafter.

Logic # 1 : for proving the existence of a Creator.

Can you show me anything, anything in this world, that was created by itself? Anything, a pencil, a mug, clothes, even a simple needle? Can any of these create itself, or be created through the passage of time by evolution?

When even a simple needle cannot create itself, nor can it be created by evolution, and needs someone to design it, and manufacture it: How can this whole Universe, this earth, the sun, the moon, you, and I come into existence by itself?

The Answer cannot be given as ‘nature’, because then we will come back to the same issue… Who is the Creator of this ‘nature’ for everything… Our answer is the same.. The Creator who created everything, is the same One who created its nature! Thus we will try to stay on the one basic question: Is there a ‘Creator’ for everything, or did everything come into existence on its own?

Logic #2: for proving the existence of a Creator.

If I were to tell you that I was in the middle of a desert, and suddenly I saw bricks come together by itself, and then a building came into existence by itself, and then the machinery entered the building by itself, and then this building became a computer factory by itself, and then this factory just started making thousands of super-computers by itself….. would you believe me? Would you not honestly tell me to get my brains checked at a good psychiatric hospital?

The truth is that everything has a maker or a creator, and these super-computers cannot just be made on its own by itself!

The most technologically advanced semi-conductor factory in today’s world cannot make a computer-chip that can match the human brain, with its power of logic and emotion and reasoning, etc.

When one cannot believe that this simple needle, or this computer, or this chip cannot be made on its own, how can one honestly believe that this superb human being, with all his perfect faculties, internal organs, internal systems, this brain, etc. come into being by itself?

Is it only because the Creator of this human being is ‘unseen’? Would it be reasonable for me to say, that since I have not seen the designer of this computer chip, and since I have not seen the factory where this chip is made, I believe that this computer chip came into existence by itself? Would it be reasonable? Would it make commonsense?

Just like I cannot say that since I have not seen the creator of the computer chip, therefore the chip came into existence by itself; it is illogical to assume that just because you cannot see the Creator of the Universe and the human beings… these came into existence by itself!

Now the question you may ask, why is the Creator ‘unseen’?

The answer is...
Oh! First you have to believe and agree that there is a Creator, then only any intellectual person can answer any of your Question.
Brother, if you have the time and want to take the effort, I have all the time in the world to guide someone to come closer to his Creator and make him believe that Quran is the word of Almighty, Our Creator.

Brother, I could have quoted the clear arguments given in the Holy Quran at several places, but keeping in view that you have been completely honest with us, and declared yourself an ‘atheist’, I have not quoted the Holy Quran in this entire article. The Holy Quran is full of absolutely logical arguments for these kind of issues, but we will come to that, God Willing, when we have crossed the initial simple hurdles. The Holy Quran has a logical answer for just about everything, Alhamdolillah.

May our ‘Creator’ increase our knowledge, and our quest for knowledge in search for the Truth.

May Allah guide you and us to read and understand the simple and plain words of the Glorious Quran. May Allah increase our knowledge from the Holy Quran.

May Allah guide you and us all to the Siraat al-Mustaqeem.

Your brother and well wisher in Islam,
not a shia, or a sunni or etc etc etc

Re: Aqa Moula doing miracles?

Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 7:54 am
by profastian
blackstallion wrote:
profastian wrote: How do you know what the Quran says is true?

Ok, Mr Profastian, before I answer your question "How do you know what the Quran says is true?" here read this...and if by any chance you agree you will get your answer.

In the name of Allah, We praise Him, seek His help and ask for His forgiveness. Whoever Allah guides none can misguide, and whoever He allows to fall astray, none can guide them aright. We bear witness that there is no one (no idol, no person, no grave, no prophet, no imam, no dai, nobody!) worthy of worship but Allah Alone, and we bear witness that Muhammad (saws) is His slave-servant and the seal of His Messengers.

The honest truth is that I cannot make you (or anybody else for that matter) a believer. I can only invite you to become a believer in Allah and the Last Day. To make one a believer or leave him astray is in the Domain and Power of Allah Alone. The fact is that there is only one Quran, one version of Islam, and there was only one Mohamed ibn Abdulla, the Last Messenger of Allah (saws).

But that is not the issue here. Let us try to think with logic and reasoning whether this whole Universe, and you, and I, were created by some Creator, or did everything simply come into existence on its own. We do this exercise, not to argue and prove someone right or wrong... but rather to increase our own knowledge and guidance. We will set no pre-conditions, no prejudice, no intolerance, and no discrimination for our talk. Just plain and simple, honest logic, reasoning and commonsense.

A believer is one who believes in Allah, in all His Messengers, in all His Revealed Books, in The Hereafter, in The Angels, and in His Divine Destiny.
An atheist is one who does not believe in any God as his creator, thus neither His Messenger, thus neither the Quran, and thus neither the Hereafter.

Logic # 1 : for proving the existence of a Creator.

Can you show me anything, anything in this world, that was created by itself? Anything, a pencil, a mug, clothes, even a simple needle? Can any of these create itself, or be created through the passage of time by evolution?

When even a simple needle cannot create itself, nor can it be created by evolution, and needs someone to design it, and manufacture it: How can this whole Universe, this earth, the sun, the moon, you, and I come into existence by itself?

The Answer cannot be given as ‘nature’, because then we will come back to the same issue… Who is the Creator of this ‘nature’ for everything… Our answer is the same.. The Creator who created everything, is the same One who created its nature! Thus we will try to stay on the one basic question: Is there a ‘Creator’ for everything, or did everything come into existence on its own?

Logic #2: for proving the existence of a Creator.

If I were to tell you that I was in the middle of a desert, and suddenly I saw bricks come together by itself, and then a building came into existence by itself, and then the machinery entered the building by itself, and then this building became a computer factory by itself, and then this factory just started making thousands of super-computers by itself….. would you believe me? Would you not honestly tell me to get my brains checked at a good psychiatric hospital?

The truth is that everything has a maker or a creator, and these super-computers cannot just be made on its own by itself!

The most technologically advanced semi-conductor factory in today’s world cannot make a computer-chip that can match the human brain, with its power of logic and emotion and reasoning, etc.

When one cannot believe that this simple needle, or this computer, or this chip cannot be made on its own, how can one honestly believe that this superb human being, with all his perfect faculties, internal organs, internal systems, this brain, etc. come into being by itself?

Is it only because the Creator of this human being is ‘unseen’? Would it be reasonable for me to say, that since I have not seen the designer of this computer chip, and since I have not seen the factory where this chip is made, I believe that this computer chip came into existence by itself? Would it be reasonable? Would it make commonsense?

Just like I cannot say that since I have not seen the creator of the computer chip, therefore the chip came into existence by itself; it is illogical to assume that just because you cannot see the Creator of the Universe and the human beings… these came into existence by itself!

Now the question you may ask, why is the Creator ‘unseen’?

The answer is...
Oh! First you have to believe and agree that there is a Creator, then only any intellectual person can answer any of your Question.
Brother, if you have the time and want to take the effort, I have all the time in the world to guide someone to come closer to his Creator and make him believe that Quran is the word of Almighty, Our Creator.

Brother, I could have quoted the clear arguments given in the Holy Quran at several places, but keeping in view that you have been completely honest with us, and declared yourself an ‘atheist’, I have not quoted the Holy Quran in this entire article. The Holy Quran is full of absolutely logical arguments for these kind of issues, but we will come to that, God Willing, when we have crossed the initial simple hurdles. The Holy Quran has a logical answer for just about everything, Alhamdolillah.

May our ‘Creator’ increase our knowledge, and our quest for knowledge in search for the Truth.

May Allah guide you and us to read and understand the simple and plain words of the Glorious Quran. May Allah increase our knowledge from the Holy Quran.

May Allah guide you and us all to the Siraat al-Mustaqeem.

Your brother and well wisher in Islam,
not a shia, or a sunni or etc etc etc
Yeah you are right. We can't prove or disprove the existence of the creator by any instruments (physical or logical) available to us. But suppose we take his existence as a primary building block, then how can this information prove the validity of the Quran. How do we know that the Prophet was sent by this very creator and this creator sent Quran to the Prophet? How do we know that the Hindus are wrong and we are right. How do we know that the Greeks were wrong and we are right. They believe in the creator too, don't they.

Re: Aqa Moula doing miracles?

Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:04 am
by blackstallion
Mr Profastian
For the sake of Argument I can quote you many examples from holy Quran, Like:

Sura 34 - Saba (MAKKA) : Verse 43
And when Our Clear Verses are recited to them, they say: "This (Muhammad SAW) is naught but a man who wishes to hinder you from that which your fathers used to worship." And they say: "This (the Quran) is nothing but an invented lie." And those who disbelieve say of the truth when it has come to them (i.e. Prophet Muhammad SAW when Allâh sent him as a Messenger with proofs, evidences, verses of this Quran, lessons, signs, etc.): "This is nothing but evident magic!"

Sura 6 - Al-Anaam (MAKKA) : Verse 69
Those who fear Allâh, keep their duty to Him and avoid evil are not responsible for them (the disbelievers) in any case, but (their duty) is to remind them, that they may fear Allah (and refrain from mocking at the Quran). [The provision of this Verse was abrogated by the Verse 4:140]


Sura 12 - Yusuf (MAKKA) : Verse 111
Indeed in their stories, there is a lesson for men of understanding. It (the Quran) is not a forged statement but a confirmation of Allâhs existing Books which were before it [the Taurât (Torah), the Injeel (Gospel) and other Scriptures of Allâh] and a detailed explanation of everything and a guide and a Mercy for the people who believe.

Sura 24 - Al-Noor (MADINA) : Verse 36
In houses (mosques), which Allâh has ordered to be raised (to be cleaned, and to be honoured), in them His Name is remembered [i.e. Adhan, Iqamah, Salat (prayers), invocations, recitation of the Quran, etc.]. Therein glorify Him (Allah) in the mornings and in the afternoons or the evenings,


but Mr Profastian, in my previous post I explained you that before asking any question you have to understand Allah, Allah as a creator, then you will get your answer by your own self. Before I conclude my post I would like you to read this Ayath from Quran, because if you can see the Day & Night and still do not believe, then...Allah only can show you the straight path.

Sura 31 - Luqman (MAKKA) : Verse 29
See you not (O Muhammad SAW) that Allâh merges the night into the day (i.e. the decrease in the hours of the night are added to the hours of the day), and merges the day into the night (i.e. the decrease in the hours of day are added in the hours of night), and has subjected the sun and the moon, each running its course for a term appointed; and that Allâh is All-Aware of what you do.


May Allah guide you and us all to the Siraat al-Mustaqeem.

Your brother and well wisher in Islam,
not a shia, or a sunni or etc etc etc

Re: Aqa Moula doing miracles?

Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 11:14 am
by profastian
blackstallion wrote:Mr Profastian
For the sake of Argument I can quote you many examples from holy Quran, Like:

Sura 34 - Saba (MAKKA) : Verse 43
And when Our Clear Verses are recited to them, they say: "This (Muhammad SAW) is naught but a man who wishes to hinder you from that which your fathers used to worship." And they say: "This (the Quran) is nothing but an invented lie." And those who disbelieve say of the truth when it has come to them (i.e. Prophet Muhammad SAW when Allâh sent him as a Messenger with proofs, evidences, verses of this Quran, lessons, signs, etc.): "This is nothing but evident magic!"

Sura 6 - Al-Anaam (MAKKA) : Verse 69
Those who fear Allâh, keep their duty to Him and avoid evil are not responsible for them (the disbelievers) in any case, but (their duty) is to remind them, that they may fear Allah (and refrain from mocking at the Quran). [The provision of this Verse was abrogated by the Verse 4:140]


Sura 12 - Yusuf (MAKKA) : Verse 111
Indeed in their stories, there is a lesson for men of understanding. It (the Quran) is not a forged statement but a confirmation of Allâhs existing Books which were before it [the Taurât (Torah), the Injeel (Gospel) and other Scriptures of Allâh] and a detailed explanation of everything and a guide and a Mercy for the people who believe.

Sura 24 - Al-Noor (MADINA) : Verse 36
In houses (mosques), which Allâh has ordered to be raised (to be cleaned, and to be honoured), in them His Name is remembered [i.e. Adhan, Iqamah, Salat (prayers), invocations, recitation of the Quran, etc.]. Therein glorify Him (Allah) in the mornings and in the afternoons or the evenings,


but Mr Profastian, in my previous post I explained you that before asking any question you have to understand Allah, Allah as a creator, then you will get your answer by your own self. Before I conclude my post I would like you to read this Ayath from Quran, because if you can see the Day & Night and still do not believe, then...Allah only can show you the straight path.

Sura 31 - Luqman (MAKKA) : Verse 29
See you not (O Muhammad SAW) that Allâh merges the night into the day (i.e. the decrease in the hours of the night are added to the hours of the day), and merges the day into the night (i.e. the decrease in the hours of day are added in the hours of night), and has subjected the sun and the moon, each running its course for a term appointed; and that Allâh is All-Aware of what you do.


May Allah guide you and us all to the Siraat al-Mustaqeem.

Your brother and well wisher in Islam,
not a shia, or a sunni or etc etc etc
Ok, but you are using Quran to prove its own validity. Isn't that cheating?

Re: Aqa Moula doing miracles?

Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 12:44 pm
by blackstallion
profastian wrote: Ok, but you are using Quran to prove its own validity. Isn't that cheating?
See, I had told in my earlier posts in the forum if you had read, once you read Quran and understand it, you will start believing the creator.
Alhamdolillah! you have almost started to read only few Ayaths which I have posted and see the effect. May Allah give you more strenght in understanding HIS words.

Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 25 Surah Furqaan verses 63-71:

The (true) servants of the Merciful are those who walk humbly on the earth. When the ignorant people behave insolently towards them, they say, “Peace to you”; (And those) who pass their nights in prostrating themselves and standing before their Lord and pray, “O our Lord, save us from the torment of Hell, for its torment is killing! It is an evil abode, and an evil resting place”. (And those) who, when they spend are neither extravagant, nor miserly, but keep the golden mean between the two extremes. (And those) who do not invoke any god but Allah Alone, nor kill a soul unjustly, which Allah has forbidden, nor commit adultery… He who does this shall be punished for his sin, and his torment shall be doubled on the Day of Resurrection, and he shall abide in a state of ignominy; EXCEPT THE ONE WHO MAY HAVE REPENTED (AFTER THOSE SINS), AND HAVE BELIEVED AND DONE RIGHTEOUS DEEDS. For then, Allah will change his evil deeds into good deeds, and He is very Forgiving and Merciful. In fact, one who repents and does righteous deeds, returns to Allah as one rightly should!

Re: Aqa Moula doing miracles?

Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 2:06 pm
by Al Zulfiqar
it is now many days since i asked this kothari agent and fitnati to provide solid details so that the whole world can verify the facts. his silence amply proves that he is a liar and blackguard who came here to spread false stories of miracles,

all falsehood withers in the strong light of reason. here it also scorched the backside of this fraudster.
Al Zulfiqar wrote:
Husain taher wrote:i live in Nashik and here the boy had an serious eye sight problem.. Moula just kissed his eyes and he was better than never before.. I have witness the miracle MYSELF so i cannot consider it a myth..

What you reformist have to say about it??
taher,

since you obviously want us to believe you, please start by providing details of the case. let us have the following:

1. the full name of the boy, his age, his parents names and postal address
2. their telephone nos and any other contacts.
3. the dates, time and venue of this event

we will through this board impartially and without prejudice, verify that the story you mention is true. obviously once we have contacted the boy's family we will obtain medical records of his condition pre-miracle and then have him checked again by the best opthalmologists. surely you would like your story to be proved right and would have no hesitation giving us these details here openly?

if you dont, obviously it would be proved that you are creating false stories to spread misinformation to mislead people and operating with a hidden agenda.

Re: Aqa Moula doing miracles?

Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:36 pm
by Husain taher
Subject's private number is nt ment to be made public.. Just give ur e-mail id to this liar, agent,fitnati so he can show u de truth...

Re: Aqa Moula doing miracles?

Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 9:10 pm
by Al Zulfiqar
Husain taher wrote:Subject's private number is nt ment to be made public.. Just give ur e-mail id to this liar, agent,fitnati so he can show u de truth...
why cant the contacts of this recipient who was cured with syedna's miracle be posted here in the open? what have they got to hide? what have YOU got to hide that you can only post on my pvt email?

its like you saying that you just came back after a visit to mars but then refuse to reveal your identity! would anyone take you seriously?????

you think that if you post any bilge here, that too under an assumed identity, we are supposed to believe any crap you post? do you think everyone here is a fool?

Re: Aqa Moula doing miracles?

Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 5:12 am
by Husain taher
Not everyone r 'fool' here.. Its just u.. Who doubts everything.
Hope u dont doubt ur father fr ur birth...

And the miracle i hav posted here is true.. Nt influenced by anyone..

Re: Aqa Moula doing miracles?

Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 6:05 am
by labbaikyaHussain
Husain taher wrote:Not everyone r 'fool' here.. Its just u.. Who doubts everything.
Hope u dont doubt ur father for ur birth...

And the miracle i hav posted here is true.. Not influenced by anyone..

I bet he does :lol:

Re: Aqa Moula doing miracles?

Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 7:58 am
by Al Zulfiqar
Husain taher wrote:Not everyone r 'fool' here.. Its just u.. Who doubts everything.
Hope u dont doubt ur father fr ur birth...

And the miracle i hav posted here is true.. Nt influenced by anyone..
so we are supposed to believe you? why? just because you claim to be a fanatic follower of syedna? and because you know how to utter vulgarities and make stupid personal attacks? in fact, the very act of doing so, reduces your credibility.

i challenged you to come up with the details of this miracle and instead of providing them like a man, you now hide behind abuse. if you think that its so easy for anyone to swallow your lies, then you should also easily believe that i am the imamuzzaman.

if you dont believe me, then maybe you doubt your parentage too?

Re: Aqa Moula doing miracles?

Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 3:12 am
by Maqbool
Husain taher wrote:Not everyone r 'fool' here.. Its just u.. Who doubts everything.
Hope u dont doubt ur father fr ur birth...

And the miracle i hav posted here is true.. Nt influenced by anyone..
I do not know about others but from your post of miracle, I am sure you are fool!

No sensible person will believe in this type of moziza. Only fools can create it and puts it to public domain understanding that every body are fool.

Re: Aqa Moula doing miracles?

Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 9:11 am
by Conscíous
Br Husain taher,
Why are you spoiling Syedna Saheb name with this none sense?? You know very well, if he could cure.. he would have visited those who are sick daily & there would have been long queue out side his residents "saifee mahal". & we would have seen more Hindus converting to Bohraism..,,

Re: Aqa Moula doing miracles?

Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2011 4:30 pm
by Al Zulfiqar
the fraud hussain taher, poster of false miracles, has run away like a common criminal. unable to face scrutiny, he ran with his tail between his legs.

all i asked for were details of the time, venue, name and address of the miracle recipient, his parents names and his medical history. they should be proud to post them as that would verify syedna's miraculous powers for the whole world to know.

but no. this rascal wants us to believe blindly based on the anonymous id of a fanatic arselicker. if only he were a certified martian, we might perhaps have believed him...

Re: Aqa Moula doing miracles?

Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 12:34 am
by labbaikyaHussain
Al Zulfiqar wrote:the fraud hussain taher, poster of false miracles, has run away like a common criminal. unable to face scrutiny, he ran with his tail between his legs.

all i asked for were details of the time, venue, name and address of the miracle recipient, his parents names and his medical history. they should be proud to post them as that would verify syedna's miraculous powers for the whole world to know.

but no. this rascal wants us to believe blindly based on the anonymous id of a fanatic arselicker. if only he were a certified martian, we might perhaps have believed him...




your types of such kuffars of islaam who always demanded miracles to belive in from all the prophets...but when ever miracle or reply was given to them they run away and never did tauba and died kaffir and munafiq.

Re: Aqa Moula doing miracles?

Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:32 am
by Al Zulfiqar
labbaikyaHussain wrote:
miracle or reply was given to them they run away
labbaik,

stop talking delirious gibberish. there was no miracle or reply given. where are the details? in fact its your fellow abde who has run away.

Re: Aqa Moula doing miracles?

Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 12:00 pm
by master.b00t
val khay vandro ne maal khay madari.

Re: Aqa Moula doing miracles?

Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:42 pm
by SBM
How can this be a Mojiza, the person died at the end and if you read last two sentences, they are contradicting each other,
Please do not make up the stories it does not reflect positive on Syenda but makes mockery of the entire episode, Why abdes are putting their foot in their mouth, According to the last sentence by Shazaada with his death Maoula yeh ehne shifa aapi didi, come one......
From Malumaat Message
People whose lives have been touched by the grace of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin Saheb, TUS
Following as narrated by Tasneem Shaikh Azeez – ARUSHA, Tanzania
Date: Thu, Feb 17, 2011
My Father in law returned from Surat after attending Mustafideen Imtehaan, for the second time, in 1410 H. Soon after, he developed a persistent cough.
Aqa Moula TUS graced the City of Dar es Salaam, with Barakaat of Ashara Mubaraka 1411H (1990).
My father in law's cough worsened after Ashara. Tests showed he had developed a tumour in his chest. Further tests confirmed it to be a malignant tumour in his lungs. He had medical checkups in all the prominent hospitals in East Africa. He had a final check up by an expert from America. After examining him, the Doctor said it had developed to the final stages and gave him only 2 more months to live.
He added "be prepared for difficult and painful final months. Only the true Representative of The Almighty on this Earth can make a miracle happen". At the time we did not understand the context of his words.
The next few months saw him in pain and discomfort but he never complained; his only wish was that no one beyond the immediate family should know about this ailment. During the month of Rajab ul Asab, he attended Majalis regularly. He would tie a band of cloth tightly over his chest to ease the discomfort as it was very painful for him.
We were fortunate to have Doctor Friends, devoted Cuban Doctors in Arusha, who would come and care for him at home.
During this time, he made preparations to attend Mustafideen Imtehaan for the 3rd time. We tried to talk him out of it seeing his condition. But he was determined to attend. He told us "Dai no call aawe to aag par si bi chaali ne jaawu parhe to me jais." He was jubilant when he received the letter informing him to attend the forthcoming Imtehaan on 1st Shaaban 1411 H. He made full preparations to leave.
In Surat, he was in no condition to sit for the Imtehaan. But he was determined to go in Hazrat Imamiyah. During Qadambosi Bethak, he was granted opportunity of an audience with Aqa Moula TUS. Qadambos thaya and did Araz for Shifa and relayed what the American Doctor had said about "Only the true Representative of The Almighty on this Earth can make a miracle happen".
Moula TUS instructed him to unbutton his kurta and laid His Hand over his chest. Moula TUS said "tell me, what did the American Doctor tell you?” My Father in law repeated the Doctor's statement.
Moula TUS farmayu ke "Show Dr Bahrainwalla and tell him to convey the report to me by telephone. Tame watan taraf jaaw.” Aqa Moula TUS told him to stand in front from where my father in law could do Deedar for 35 mins and called him back and gave him a Taawiz.
My father in law wanted to stay for Imtehaan and yet Moula TUS was telling him to go back home! He returned to Mumbai and from there back to Arusha late on Sunday 10th Shaaban ul Karim.
He was invigorated upon his return home though totally drained from the trip. The Taawiz was briefly overlooked. He took complete rest for a day. On 12 th Shaaban, in the early afternoon, he told my mother in law he wasn’t feeling too well. She remembered the Taawiz and immediately pinned it to his vest. In front of us, he uttered "Ya Husain" and collapsed into a coma. At 6:30pm he passed away peacefully.
This was when we understood the importance of what the Doctor in Moshi had said. My Father in law had eluded months of pain and deterioration!
Araz was done in Surat by Shahzada Qaid Johar Bhaisaheb Ezzuddin Saheb, DM, that Shaikh Abdulhusein Talib died in Arusha. Moula TUS farmayu ke "e to cancer na ilaaj waaste aaya hata?" Shahzada Saheb replied that "Moula paase Shifa waaste aaya hata; aap ye ehne Shifa aapi didhi."

Re: Aqa Moula doing miracles?

Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 9:44 pm
by Al Zulfiqar
bro. oma,

this so-called mojiza is the biggest crock of b.s. i have ever heard. gullible fools will not only believe anything they hear and see and imagine fanciful things in their pre-programmed and susceptible minds, but they will fight tooth and nail to convince others.

this is another proof that this community has been turned into a cult.

Re: Aqa Moula doing miracles?

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 1:10 am
by Maqbool
omabharti wrote:My Father in law returned from Surat after attending Mustafideen Imtehaan, for the second time, in 1410 H. Soon after, he developed a persistent cough.
Aqa Moula TUS graced the City of Dar es Salaam, with Barakaat of Ashara Mubaraka 1411H (1990).
My father in law's cough worsened after Ashara.
How to explain this?

Re: Aqa Moula doing miracles?

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 6:37 am
by Smart
^
The explanation is simple. He was Oma's father-in-law, so it was Syedna's miracle. QED

Re: Aqa Moula doing miracles?

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:17 am
by SBM
Br. Smart
It was not my experience, I had copied it and posted from Malumaat Message. Please do not attribute that to me
Thanks

Re: Aqa Moula doing miracles?

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 10:55 am
by Conscíous
Your personal experience or moejiza of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin Saheb, TUS.

http://100mi-milad.com/index.php?option ... 1&Itemid=4

Share your personal moejizaat experiences of Aqa Maula TUS with other Mumineen.
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Feel free to browse articles from the index on right :wink:

Re: Aqa Moula doing miracles?

Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 4:21 pm
by Tariq
Dear Brothers,

Your great religion of Islam should not be reduced to miracles, magic and wizzzard-ry and your faith should certainly not be based upon it. You can attribute such miracles to the hand of the D'ai - but it is ultimately your Lord who is the master of your destiny. You proclaim the absolute and eternal existence of Allah when you pray Surah Al-Ikhlaas but yet you attribute the performance of 'miracles' to a human being who has no power to change your destiny except by what Allah had permitteth. The eternal attribute of Allah suggests that the metaphysical component of time is also His creation: he created before, during and after and is beyond what he had created. Why, therefore, attribute the changes in the hand of destiny to one who has no control over it? Apparently miraculous here-say actions won't necessary win my heart but accountability and charity that reaches the poor Bohras of today certainly will.

Re: Aqa Moula doing miracles?

Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 5:42 am
by Smart
omabharti wrote:Br. Smart
It was not my experience, I had copied it and posted from Malumaat Message. Please do not attribute that to me
Thanks
It was meant in a lighter vein. Please don't take it literally!

Re: Aqa Moula doing miracles?

Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 12:32 am
by Maqbool
Smart wrote:
omabharti wrote:Br. Smart
It was not my experience, I had copied it and posted from Malumaat Message. Please do not attribute that to me
Thanks
It was meant in a lighter vein. Please don't take it literally!

yes the whole moziza should be taken in a lighter vein

Re: Aqa Moula doing miracles?

Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 8:53 pm
by SBM
Talk about Miracles. Syedna and his family could not even help their own grand daughters and had to thank Govt of India and all I hear from Abdes how MAULA can save us and here it is the truth

http://www.mid-day.com/news/2011/feb/01 ... mumbai.htm
Granddaughters of Bohra Muslims' spiritual leader Syedna Zaharabai Saheba (14) and Khadijabai Saheba (12) who are pursing Arabic studies in Kahira also took the flight to life.

"They are fine but are very tired as the flight got delayed. I want to thank the Indian government, which made arrangements to bring their own people back," said Shabir H Ujjainwala, the manager of the Syedna.
However, Union External Affairs Minister S M Krishna yesterday said in Delhi, "About 3,200 Indians are in Egypt of whom 2,000 are in Cairo.