Dawoodi Bohra Forum

other best thing he has done is building zahreeh of imammain,building mosques which were turned up as a garbage place.madressas world wide (donno how much islaam is tought in them) but yeah atleast he has built them

Do you fail to realize that these structures were built with YOUR money
and Burhanuddin is the owner? Do you fail to understand that in his eyes
you are lower than thook - show up in these imaarats with your topi and without a daari and you'll
be harrassed and kicked out.
Show up in a suit speaking English and reeking of money, and you'll get a guided tour.

Many other people have built masjids and madrasas - not just self-centered Burhanuddin.
You are correct in this much: Bohri madrasas do not teach Islam.

Safiuddin wrote:

other best thing he has done is building zahreeh of imammain,building mosques which were turned up as a garbage place.madressas world wide (donno how much islaam is tought in them) but yeah atleast he has built them

Do you fail to realize that these structures were built with YOUR money
and Burhanuddin is the owner? Do you fail to understand that in his eyes
you are lower than thook - show up in these imaarats with your topi and without a daari and you'll
be harrassed and kicked out.
Show up in a suit speaking English and reeking of money, and you'll get a guided tour.

Many other people have built masjids and madrasas - not just self-centered Burhanuddin.
You are correct in this much: Bohri madrasas do not teach Islam.

may be u are correct money is from momeenin....but this amazes me how he gets permission to build zareeh of imamain while there are billion ithna ashari...counted bohris builds zarih's

is it cuz the millions of itha asheries are spending their money on their families not on zaree mubarak which serves no purpose.

Regal wrote:is it cuz the millions of itha asheries are spending their money on their families not on zaree mubarak which serves no purpose.

lets ignore wahabi reply...any shia from heart may reply to my query.

may be u are correct money is from momeenin....but this amazes me how he gets permission to build zareeh of imamain while there are billion ithna ashari...counted bohris builds zarih's

Br Incredible

We maintain very good relationship with local authorities in any country , during saddams regime syednas relationship was very good with him and numerous times he has done dua for him ( the killer of 3 millions shias). i was in karbala in dec 10 and saw big shia ministers of karbala visiting our rubat . as twelvers know that we are matami people and love imam husain they dont have any problems in giving permission . There is a lot of renovations being carried out in Imam husain roza and its mainly done by iraqi and irani govt.

am i a wahabi now?

What regal has given reply is perfect and the zari does not serve any purpose, but yes the money should have been used for a betterment of mankind in the name of aqa Husein.

The masjid is build only for the cause to extract money. Kolkata visit has proved. Jamat salam, jiafat and maqsiyat has extracted about 50 crores of money and in return 2.5 crores is given as inayat to kolkata jamat with lots of funfair. Why they are not declaring the collection in black money?

All bohras who accept Sayedna's act of maintaining relation with butcher Modi should read this article

http://www.tehelka.com/story_main48.asp ... LOSIVE.asp

Can any human being will praise this type of animal?

Maqbool wrote:All bohras who accept Sayedna's act of maintaining relation with butcher Modi should read this article

http://www.tehelka.com/story_main48.asp ... LOSIVE.asp

Can any human being will praise this type of animal?

few days back i was present in Ahmedabad masjid....Amil announced modi is invited to some hall and all momeenin shud attend this function...

"apun logo ne modi ne batawi dewaanu che ke apni kaum ni wasti kitni che ane hame ekla nathi tamaam mumeen hazir thai and fakhir libaas pehni ne aawe"

these were the words of Amil.

Maqbool wrote:All bohras who accept Sayedna's act of maintaining relation with butcher Modi should read this article

http://www.tehelka.com/story_main48.asp ... LOSIVE.asp

Can any human being will praise this type of animal?

Ok, lets get Modi out of the way once and for all. So all proggies just answer this?

1) Do you believe Ali as the rightful Caliph?
2) Do you believe that the 3 were the enemies of Ali and Aalay Ali?
3) Do you believe that Ali did sort of a truce with the 3?
4) Do you believe that Mavaia was an enemy of Hasan and Aalay Hasan?
5) Do you believe that Hasan did truce with Mavaia?

The reformist official answer is the same as Dai's answer.

Humsafar wrote:The reformist official answer is the same as Dai's answer.

So the DAI's truce with Modi is completely analogous to Hasan's truce with Mayavia. I don't think there is a more valid precedent.

profastian on Sun Feb 20, 2011 2:36 pm
Humsafar wrote:The reformist official answer is the same as Dai's answer.
So the DAI's truce with Modi is completely analogous to Hasan's truce with Mayavia. I don't think there is a more valid precedent.

and then Imam Hasan went into seclusion and removed himself from public eyes, WHEN IS SYEDNA DOING THE SAME?

profastian wrote:

Humsafar wrote:The reformist official answer is the same as Dai's answer.

So the DAI's truce with Modi is completely analogous to Hasan's truce with Mayavia. I don't think there is a more valid precedent.

Hmmm.... you're trying hard to justify sayedna's pact with modi. But you're forgetting one important thing. The Sayenda unlike Imam Hasan was under no compulsion to make peace with Modi

Let us be honest over here. Syedna made a deal with Modi so that he would spare his and his followers lives and property. Plain and simple. A lot of times we have to make deals with goons so as to make them go away. Syedna is not a great leader like Imam Hassan or anyone else. He is an ordinary man who compromised with the goon as most of us would've done.

profastian wrote:

Maqbool wrote:All bohras who accept Sayedna's act of maintaining relation with butcher Modi should read this article

http://www.tehelka.com/story_main48.asp ... LOSIVE.asp

Can any human being will praise this type of animal?

Ok, lets get Modi out of the way once and for all. So all proggies just answer this?

1) Do you believe Ali as the rightful Caliph?
2) Do you believe that the 3 were the enemies of Ali and Aalay Ali?
3) Do you believe that Ali did sort of a truce with the 3?
4) Do you believe that Mavaia was an enemy of Hasan and Aalay Hasan?
5) Do you believe that Hasan did truce with Mavaia?

I can't imagine how cruel profasian can be. Your fellow mumenins are killed, looted raped and you are comparing the events with Aqa Husein and Ali A.S.!!
The modi has done what ever is to gain his political goal and he is still doing the same. On the contrary he is using Our money which sayedna is giving to him for harassing our fellow human beings.

The gullible will always cheat their mind to prove their gullibility. Hear they are insulting the Aqa Hassan, Aqa Husein and Ali saheb. They will never realise that there is no comparison here. The all punjatan fight for other reason then what the proafestian are comparing here the Sayedna and Modi. The yazid fight to keep his power and the same thing Sayedna is doing helping the Modi.

I request all gullible DB to read this article.

http://twocircles.net/2011feb20/modi_pi ... _expo.html

anajmi wrote:Let us be honest over here. Syedna made a deal with Modi so that he would spare his and his followers lives and property. Plain and simple. A lot of times we have to make deals with goons so as to make them go away. Syedna is not a great leader like Imam Hassan or anyone else. He is an ordinary man who compromised with the goon as most of us would've done.

thanks Anajmi, that should settle it, i have my reasons to believe in his decision but if someone does not have then your reason should suffice

aqs, so you accept that the Sayedna is not a great leader - and like the rest of us ordinary mortals - he made a deal with the devil to save his properties? Or are you once again going to hide behind your "esoteric" reasons?

anajmi, the pact with modi is not new. In every city/country the dawat has sucked up to the powers-that-be to protect its racket. This is the way it operates. Protecting "bohras live and property" is only for public consumption.

Humsafar,

I am sure that is true because in his 50-60 year reign, I have never heard the Syedna utter a single word against bad leaders and dictators around the globe. Never heard him talk about the plight of the Palestinians or Iraqis or Afghanis or any about any African populations. Infact, I am positive that I have never even heard him talk about Apartheid when the entire world was condemning the South African white leaders.

Anjami
Let us be honest over here. Syedna made a deal with Modi so that he would spare his and his followers lives and property.

Anjami
The only words in this sentence I have problem is spare "his followers lives and property". You are right about "his property"
Where was he when Modi's goons were killing and looting Bohras and their properties.
There is nothing wrong in reaching out to people who hate you, you always negotiate with your enemies not with your friends but let Kothar come out clean for their reason to deal and befriend with Modi and Thackrey. I want people from other side to STOP comparing treaties made by Prophet and Imams for the reason best known to them (also let us compare orange to orange, those who made deals did not do to save their properties or their own lives but the properties and lives of the Ummah)

check this out:

http://deshgujarat.com/2011/02/19/modi- ... ras-today/

Humsafar wrote:aqs, so you accept that the Sayedna is not a great leader - and like the rest of us ordinary mortals - he made a deal with the devil to save his properties? Or are you once again going to hide behind your "esoteric" reasons?

anajmi, the pact with modi is not new. In every city/country the dawat has sucked up to the powers-that-be to protect its racket. This is the way it operates. Protecting "bohras live and property" is only for public consumption.

Humsafar,

as i said that i have my reasons to believe in Syedna(tus) decision and you and others who see world in a different light can take solace from Anajmi's comment that what he did was to save lives and properties of his followers.

As you and others are adamant on that he is not a great leader to shake hands with arch enemies of Muslims then so be it, i am sure if he had taken a stand against Modi and lives of innocent Bohras would have been taken in next riot or they were targeted in day to day business dealing you would have been first to point out that had Syedna(tus) made peace with him they would have been spared.
seriously mate in the end it sounds like chit bhi meri pat bhi meri aur sikka bhi mera

Retired academician and social activist from Vadodara professor J S Bandukwala, who is from Daudi Bohra community, lashed out at Bohra spiritual leader Dr Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin for getting close to Modi. The Syedna and Modi shared the dais on Saturday at a trade exhibition of the community here. "It is unfortunate that many of us are getting close to Modi," Bandukwala said.



Read more: 'Why are we treated as second class citizens?' - The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city ... 543041.cms

aqs, it's you people who twist everything in your favour and hide behind tawil when challenged. You claim all chit, pat and sikka all the time. First of all, there was no compulsion to make a deal. Secondly, India is not a lawless country. The Sayedna as a leader of a sizable, prosperous community is not a pushover. He could have sought constitutional means and/or sought alliances with other muslim communities and secular forces to form a front against Hindu bigots. This is how things work in civil society. He did none of this, instead he quietly made a deal with the devil. Does this behoove a leader who claims to be spiritual?

As to what would have happened if the Sayedna had not made a deal with Modi is mere speculation. Would we have blamed Sayedna? I don't know? Do we blame Imam Hussain for not submitting to Yazid and thus martyring himself and his family? No. By the same token, I don't think we would have blamed him. If he had stood up for truth and spoken out against the Hindutva forces we would have, in fact, joined him and supported the cause. Reformists have always clearly and boldly condemned communal violence and its perpetrators.

if the syedna had made a deal with narendra modi to really save his followers' lives and businesses and properties, it would be pardonable. no, its patently obvious its his properties, his wealth and his income generating mazaars and masjids/markaz's that he wants to protect.

when a leader like him foolishly uttered laanats on loudspeakers and riots broke out, did he stop to consider the consequences for his community and their well-being? NO. he never expressed an iota of an apology to his dead, injured and looted abdes, whereas he had to swallow humble pie and issue a public apology on tv to the other muslims at hurting their feelings.

appeasing a monster is one thing. going overboard in felicitating him, garlanding him, putting shawls on him, giving his party crores in donations (bribes) and praising him effusively, inviting him for all sorts of frivolous events etc, proves only one thing. that the syedna hunts with the wolves and sleeps with the lambs. that he has so successfully got away with it so far without wide scale protests from the sunni and other muslims is a measure of how many prominent sunni leaders he has bribed and kept happy. its also a telling factor of the weakness, disunity and corruption prevailing among the majority muslim communities.

our saifee mahal mafia is adept at playing every machiavellian card in their bag of tricks. with modi they play up the common gujrati angle, "apne banne waaniya", "aavo bhai harkha, apne bewe sarkha" crap. with the sunni/shia factions they play the devout muslim and protectors of islam bakwas when bohras are the biggest human worshipping kafirs.

with a leader like syedna, who hides the murky past concerning his own mother, murders animals for sport and allows sajda to himself, refuses to give accounts and claims false miracles, can one expect any altruistic motives from his getting into bed with modi?

This is the video of Modi's speech on the occassion

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php ... 7&comments