Mohurrum Tamasha Venue : The Countdown Begins.

[ghulam muhammed]

The scenes at saifee masjid during the 1st vayez were extremely sad and pathetic to say the least. The dai was seated on a platform which had 2 takhts and the 2nd takht was conspicously vacant because as per plans the dai was supposed to invite the manhoos which he totally forgot. However he started his bayan around 11am which lasted for less then an hour. The bayan was completely non audible and one could hear nothing but mere mumblings by the dai. This is quite understandable keeping his old age and fragile health in mind. After delivering the 45 minutes bayan the dai was supposedly taken to raudat tahera for ziarat after which he was supposed to come back to the masjid for delivering the rest of the bayan after zohar namaz but surprisingly he didnt turn up. The obvious reason could be nothing but his ill health.



Now the moot point is not the quality and length of the bayan but the pain and discomfort undergone by the dai due to his advanced age and ill health, a fact which was observed by every abde who attended the vayez. The question is that why couldnt the dai's own sons and relatives see his condition and advise him complete rest which was more important not only for him but also for any son who loves his father and who wouldnt tolerate any hardships inflicted on him. This is because the dai is used as a marketing tool and paraded everywhere not only to keep the vice like grip on the followers intact but more so to extract millions of rupees from the abdes. During his presence which lasted for 45 minutes, some abdes were seen furling the "pinchha" which looked more like "hanuman ka gadha", a scene similar to the one in the film Mughal-e-azam when Emperor Akbar is seated on his takht. The "sharaf" of doing this comes with a price tag which runs into a few lakhs. I know of this as a relative of mine had got this 'sharaf' some 20 years back and for which he had paid Rs.7.52 lakhs for furling the gadha for less then a minute as there was an unending queue of sheeps ANXIOUSLY waiting to get slaughtered. Its past 20 years and with inflation at its peak its anyones guess as to the number of crores the zaadas must have managed to generate in a span of just 45 minutes.



Inspite of my differences with the dai on other issues, on purely humanitarian grounds I seriously feel a sense of grief for an old person with fragile health being put to such torturous ordeal by his greedy and selfish sons who have no concern or regard for their father's fragile health as they are deeply sunk in the filth of monetary garbage. Lets see what the likes of aqs, profastian, guysam, stranger and others are willing to do to put an end to the hardships inflicted on their master whom they claim to sincerely follow.

No response from the so called ardent followers of the dai ? Su thayu, kaha chhe aapno walwalo ?

[Conscíous]

Haha..It's so pathetic to see you dodging my question and how Zulfiqar has come to save your broken ego

We should talk about the family of the prophet (saw) because they are the model of how families should be.We should talk about the Dai's family because they are a warning for how not to be. .

Look at this deluded hypocrite, he is tell us what WE SHOULD talk about, while he tells us about his supposedly "pehli raat" dinner with his imaginary friend?? Isn't it not, your true intension were to discuss around your imaginary dinner party, that you have mentioned in this thread??? You are the one whom has informed us, that you are married and have a daughter.. Now it natural for anyone to wonder, why you wouldn't taken them along, if your story was true?? If you had NEVER EVER mentioned them to us, we wouldn't be talking about them, wouldn't we??

start taking RESPONSIBILITY for your own action.. Stop blaming others and seriously, stop that crying of your and be a man, if you still remember what that is

Admin,
Before you delete, this comment of mine, i would like to know why..
Thanks..

[canadian]

Bro. anajmi:

I said earlier and I repeat this person BooM is from a gutter. Do not respond to him and his type. Let them come here and bark. If we do not respond, they will get tired and insha-allah go away.

[Conscíous]

Haha.. I wish, if he would only listen to you but he'll not And what happened to the pity, I received last time ??

[anajmi]

Bro canadian,

Beavis (Chalu Maqaam) is gone already. Admin took care of him. If I indulge this butthead for a few more posts, he will be gone too. Trust me.

[profastian]

Inspite of my differences with the dai on other issues, on purely humanitarian grounds I seriously feel a sense of grief for an old person with fragile health being put to such torturous ordeal by his greedy and selfish sons who have no concern or regard for their father's fragile health as they are deeply sunk in the filth of monetary garbage. Lets see what the likes of aqs, profastian, guysam, stranger and others are willing to do to put an end to the hardships inflicted on their master whom they claim to sincerely follow.

There are no other words to describe it but JEALOUSY. You guys were so banking on Syedna not showing up for waaz this Moharram and providing fodder for your rumour mills, but all your hopes were crushed by the DAI. There is nothing in human about the DAI showing up. It is just love for Hussain. Syedna says that his last breath is dedicated for Hussain's zikr and he is putting his words into action. You would understand if you were not a Yazeed loving mongrel...

[seeker110]

Can you tell us those words.You must understand gibberish.

[profastian]

Can you tell us those words.You must understand gibberish.

I should speak gibberish to you now, as you understand only that. The words were included in the post above(in human language) "JEALOUSY"

[SBM]

How old this kid is?
http://www.zeninfosys.net/zi6/content/j ... z-al-qutbi

[Smart]

Is he even baligh? He does not appear to have sprouted hair on his chin. 5th pic shows left handed maatam. Has he even passed his 10th grade?

All so pathetic !

[like_minded]

This is extremely disturbing for me, men old enough to be his father, or even his grandfather bending in front of him, with folded hands......

NO NO NO NO NO.... i cannot digest this, i cannot appreciate or understand or accept this at all.

Had it been someone older, maybe 33, 34 even, i can understand, because i would assume that he has some knowledge of our religion and has passed a certain amount of religous training, but this kid,,,,, bending in front of him, with folded hands goes against my grain as a human being, forget a religous person.........

I have nothing against people bending in front of someone from our Dai's family, but this is a kid, this is ridiculous.... I mean, just by being a grandson or great grandson of our Dai does not automatically entitle you to have people grovel in front of you.

and before anyone tries to twist my words, let me clarify my stand, my issue is with the age of the kid, not with people bending in front of him with folded hands or his genealogy

Mustu

It is good that atleast you are acknowledging the madness prevailing in our community, I am actually not surprised seeing these pictures because about 2-3 years ago a kid of the same age (some shehzadaas kid) was in my city during Ramzan, and I've seen as much as 80-85 years oldies bending down and kissing his feet, standing in front of him with folded hands!!

This is the culture and mannerism deliberately encouraged by Kothar to signify the greatness of the royal family and also to show us (slaves) where we belong.

[like_minded]

Maula has often said that even if people do not come to the Vaaz, hold them by their hand and bring them, but that is reasoning and convincing them to come.

Why can't moula mind his own business and leave this community alone, I mean if someone has no interest whatsoever in attending his bayans, Why the hell is he/she forced?

If his bayans carry spiritual knowledge which benefits the community members on the whole, Then I am sure he does not have to beg for attendance!

[like_minded]

Because, Sir, his business is the Dawoodi Bohra community, and by that, i mean just us, the believers of the Daawat. Which certainly does not mean that i do not consider progs as non-Bohra's at all, just that His business is with us

Well said!!! He is undoubtedly a great businessman! No wonder he makes trillions out of this spineless community playing with their emotions and capitalizing on greed and fear prevalent.
Being a spiritual leader of our community....
If he really WANTS, He can eliminate corruption, sycophancy, superstitions and all other evils which unfortunately we are living with, But he remains to keep silent on such critical issues and on the contrary encourages it... Well to me, that makes him a criminal who deserves to be put behind bars!

[like_minded]

I have said this earlier and I am repeating again...

If you don't follow what you preach, atleast have the decency to preach what you follow

This is directed to Syedna and his thug family.

[like_minded]

Have you wondered that what we give, we give willingly? If you dont give willingly, then you will crib and rant like you are doing. So then, refuse to pay and throw caution to the wind and live your life the way you want too, but do not juxtapose your spinelessness onto us, because we give willingly.

You give willingly because you are made to believe that if you give, You will get more!! There is the "greed" factor here my friend which they are cleverly exploiting and filling their coffers.

If you believe there is something wrong in this community, Please go to the roots.... I am sure you will get the answers.

The kind of bull shit they've fed us since the last 30 years or so.... have totally disconnected us from reality!

[profastian]

I accept that all is not well in our community, but to most of the wrongs, i would sometime turn a blind eye as i feel that if it not harming someone in particular, then...... well ok, i can live with it

But yes, things like 50-year olds prostating to a 15-year old, hunting animals, threatening people to attend Muharram Vaaz or else, forcing people to pay X amount of waajebaat, forcing people to do niyaaz etc is wrong. Its about making one loose ones dignity, taking an innocent life and "forcing" people to pay.... and that will hurt sentiments

Maula has often said that even if people do not come to the Vaaz, hold them by their hand and bring them, but that is reasoning and convincing them to come. If one is threatened to come, then it negates the whole emotion of Muharram. i for one, am sitting in office when i should instead be attending the Vaaz, and i consider it my misfortune because work commitments do not allow me to shut my laptop and leave. But if someone were to force me to come and then threaten me, instead of trying to understand my point of view, i would be pissed of..... but im rambling. Should try and finish work quickly so that i can go for the evening majlis atleast

What is wrong with his age and what has age got to do with it? How do you that he has no religious knowledge. Syedna taher Saifuddin was very young when he became DAI and he had people in their 80's and 90's bow in front of him. And we all know how young was Hakim Imam(11 years) when he came to the throne. Or when Maula Mufaddal becomes a DAI, his uncles (elders) will bow in front of him. What that disturb you too? The point being that physical age has nothing to do with it. All depends on knowledge. If you know for sure that Taha Bhaisahab has no religious knowledge, then sure there is case for you being disturbed. Otherwise there is nothin wrong with the pic.

[Muslim First]

Prof.
Syedna taher Saifuddin was very young when he became DAI and he had people in their 80's and 90's bow in front of him.

That is fundamentally wrong as far as Islam is concerned. Bowing to another human being or dead person might be OK in DB religion but not in Islam.

[Muslim First]

Prof.
All depends on knowledge.

What knowledge?
Bull sheet!

[Muslim First]

How old this kid is?
http://www.zeninfosys.net/zi6/content/j ... z-al-qutbi

Br. Ob
You should presrve this pictures.

[Humsafar]

Both mustafanullwala and Faust are labouring under the same false assumption: that in our Islamic culture it's okay to bow to those with religious knowledge. No, it is not okay. There is something fundamentally revolting and inherently undignified about this picture, because in our culture it is the young who are always expected to show respect to elders. The old men are bowing to this pimply teenager not becaue he apparently possesses "religious knowledge" but because he occupies a position of authority. Helpless, misguigded abdes are bowing to power, not knowledge - out of habit that comes naturally to a slave and not out of some inner sense of reverence. This abject behaviour is all part of the authoritarian, feudal culture of power and prestige that the mafia clergy has built to keep the abdes bowing and scraping all the time. It's not for nothing they call themselves the "royal family". I'm sure the royal teenager might take himself to be something special and might be having wet-dreams about the kind of power he wields. But then this is how shahzadas must grow up and expect their slavels to behave. And who can balme him, if we have useful idiots who are on the ready to justify it.

As for "religious knowledge" if it is really true and perfect, it makes one humble and compassionate. A truly religious or spiritual person is always uncomfortable with bowing and prostrating. It's the pretenders who demand outward show of respect. And it's the ignorant who generally give in.

[Al Zulfiqar]

the abdes are absolutely right in bowing, scraping and being all meek and submissive in front of this callow kid.

its because imam hussain decided to offer his life and his head so that 'royal' kids like him could pontificate on his ultimate sacrifice and abdes could fall on their knees in front of him. by doing so this royal prince is earning the khushi of hussain and with it the right to make millions in hussain's name.

seeing into the future, hussain wanted the abde syednas to learn an abject lesson from his own foolish attempts at bravery and defiance. his own stand based on integrity and moral principles got him humiliation, extreme cruelty and a painful death. imam hussain wants that abdes do not suffer the same fate by following his tragic example and so syedna has decided to make his followers do the opposite of hussain so that they can survive in this modern day and age. a proud abde of today must be meek, submissive, compromising, clever and smart enough to negotiate with his enemies and oppressors, must be servile and obedient and have the ability to blindly follow the commands of his masters, to avoid any situations where they are called upon to confront, fight or take an honest stand against corruption, pulchritude and assaults on their deen.

i hope this explains why syedna and his abdes are misunderstood.

[profastian]

Both mustafanullwala and Faust are labouring under the same false assumption: that in our Islamic culture it's okay to bow to those with religious knowledge. No, it is not okay. There is something fundamentally revolting and inherently undignified about this picture, because in our culture it is the young who are always expected to show respect to elders. The old men are bowing to this pimply teenager not becaue he apparently possesses "religious knowledge" but because he occupies a position of authority. Helpless, misguigded abdes are bowing to power, not knowledge - out of habit that comes naturally to a slave and not out of some inner sense of reverence. This abject behaviour is all part of the authoritarian, feudal culture of power and prestige that the mafia clergy has built to keep the abdes bowing and scraping all the time. It's not for nothing they call themselves the "royal family". I'm sure the royal teenager might take himself to be something special and might be having wet-dreams about the kind of power he wields. But then this is how shahzadas must grow up and expect their slavels to behave. And who can balme him, if we have useful idiots who are on the ready to justify it.

As for "religious knowledge" if it is really true and perfect, it makes one humble and compassionate. A truly religious or spiritual person is always uncomfortable with bowing and prostrating. It's the pretenders who demand outward show of respect. And it's the ignorant who generally give in.

Who told you he is demanding this show of respect. Maybe the others respect him on their own accord and bow in front of him.

And who told you that it is not ok to bow. Anything by the prophet or Quran? I can give you hundreds to examples in the Quran where people bow. Angles to adam, Jinnat to Suleiman, Brothers of Yousuf to Yousuf. Would you not bow in front of the Prophet. If yes, Why? Certainly because of knowledge. If you believe that it is not ok to bow, then that is the Islam you follow. You follow what you think is Islam and we follow what we think is. Who are you to give a bhashan. Why do you think your point of view is the right one? Every two bit proggy comes here and gives his own point of view and think it is Islam and what should be. Who gives you that authority. If you think it is not ok to bow, then don't do it. Who are you to comment to the behavior of others.

[ghulam muhammed]

The old men are bowing to this pimply teenager not becaue he apparently possesses "religious knowledge" but because he occupies a position of authority

This is the ONLY reason for the dumb and ridiculous behaviour of abdes.

[profastian]

Prof.
All depends on knowledge.

What knowledge?
Bull sheet!

Le me tell you some "bull sheet" . I heard a Qutba for Friday by a Wahabi mulla the other day. He thought that people should not go to a doctor because it is not mentioned in the Quran. And they should only go to a Hakeem. He urged others that the practice of going to the doctors is unislamic and they should avoid it.

Care to comment on this knowledge.

[profastian]

The old men are bowing to this pimply teenager not becaue he apparently possesses "religious knowledge" but because he occupies a position of authority

This is the ONLY reason for the dumb and ridiculous behaviour of abdes.

If they are doing that only because he occupies a "position of authority", then its their bad. It is their ignorance and not what is intended. The only barometers should be ilm and amal, nothing else.

[ghulam muhammed]

Le me tell you some "bull sheet" . I heard a Qutba for Friday by a Wahabi mulla the other day. He thought that people should not go to a doctor because it is not mentioned in the Quran. And they should only go to a Hakeem. He urged others that the practice of going to the doctors is unislamic and they should avoid it.

Care to comment on this knowledge.

Off course a sick person must visit the doctor that is what the dai also says but it comes with a condition............... If any abde wants to consult a doctor and goes to the dai for permission, whether he has a tootache, cancer, aids, ulcer, hallucinations etc etc., the dai's advice is "Go to Dr.Bahrainwala", this was the norm since many years and Iam not aware if the same has changed and if some other abde doctor is referred to.

So you see, in one way the wahabi mulla is right, he says dont visit any doctor rather then go to someone who has no knowledge of the ailment, its like visiting "Neem Hakim which is Khatre-Jaan".

[profastian]

Le me tell you some "bull sheet" . I heard a Qutba for Friday by a Wahabi mulla the other day. He thought that people should not go to a doctor because it is not mentioned in the Quran. And they should only go to a Hakeem. He urged others that the practice of going to the doctors is unislamic and they should avoid it.

Care to comment on this knowledge.

Off course a sick person must visit the doctor that is what the dai also says but it comes with a condition............... If any abde wants to consult a doctor and goes to the dai for permission, whether he has a tootache, cancer, aids, ulcer, hallucinations etc etc., the dai's advice is "Go to Dr.Bahrainwala", this was the norm since many years and Iam not aware if the same has changed and if some other abde doctor is referred to.

So you see, in one way the wahabi mulla is right, he says dont visit any doctor rather then go to someone who has no knowledge of the ailment, its like visiting "Neem Hakim which is Khatre-Jaan".

When cornered, run...

[ghulam muhammed]

When cornered, run...

Quite true.................. and the glaring example is :-

"Now the moot point is not the quality and length of the bayan but the pain and discomfort undergone by the dai due to his advanced age and ill health, a fact which was observed by every abde who attended the vayez. The question is that why couldnt the dai's own sons and relatives see his condition and advise him complete rest which was more important not only for him but also for any son who loves his father and who wouldnt tolerate any hardships inflicted on him. Lets see what the likes of aqs, profastian, guysam, stranger and others are willing to do to put an end to the hardships inflicted on their master whom they claim to sincerely follow."--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[profastian]

When cornered, run...

Quite true.................. and the glaring example is :-

"Now the moot point is not the quality and length of the bayan but the pain and discomfort undergone by the dai due to his advanced age and ill health, a fact which was observed by every abde who attended the vayez. The question is that why couldnt the dai's own sons and relatives see his condition and advise him complete rest which was more important not only for him but also for any son who loves his father and who wouldnt tolerate any hardships inflicted on him. Lets see what the likes of aqs, profastian, guysam, stranger and others are willing to do to put an end to the hardships inflicted on their master whom they claim to sincerely follow."--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Already answered this. Read the complete thread. Nobody is forcing the DAI. He does it because of Ishq-e-Hussian.

[Humsafar]

The more indefensible the position is the more desperate Kothar's useful idiots become. You are right Dr Faust, the kind of Islam your masters impose on you abdes is different, so different that it can be categorised as Islam. This even a two-bit proggie can figure out. But a sabak-going, brainwashed abdes have their Islam twisted like a pretzel which is now stuck in their throats, they can't spit it out nor swallow it. No wonder they end up here, behaving like stuck-ups, making weird noises and wanting everybody to understand that they are talking is Islam. And the rest of us are like, "what?".