Seats on Sale in Muharram

[ghulam muhammed]

abubakar and usmaan where famous name of arab at that point of time so they kept these names

Oh Oh, So Mola Ali (a.s.) and Imam Hussain (a.s.) named their children Abubakr, Umar and Usman ONLY because they were famous names ? Whatever be your (il)logical answer, the fact remains that they did name their children as mentioned. And you claim to be the most devoted lover of those great souls, so why dont you follow their footsteps and name your children Abubakr, Umar and Usman ?

[humanbeing]

Dear Reader Friends

Well, In my opinions the discussion is diverted to another issue, although related but different. The content of this thread was to discuss commercialization of event of Muharram, I expected opinions, POVs, news and information of such commercialization from other cities and centres.

Another observation I would like to share in this regard :

Main Community Hall (Hussainya) is located in an industrial area, which has big and small empty plots around it, these grounds are government property. During Muharram, Jamaat Administration organizes the car parking at this grounds. That is, Khidmatguzaars guide drivers to park their cars in aligned rows, from past 2 – 3 years I m observing that, In the biggest open space right opposite the main entrance , first 4 lanes / rows are reserved as “VIP CAR PARK” in which only Sheikhs can park their vehicles or anyone else can park against a parking fee of KD 2 for event of Muharram. Is this fair ??


During the Majlis, There are marked spaces for Sheikhs and other titled individuals to be seated, this markings are a white sheet of cloth spread parallel to each other in rows for number of titled individuals to sit, to clearly classify them from commoners. Any justification or explanation for such practice ?

After the Majlis, during the Jaman, there is a particular sections specially marked for sheikh’s thaal formations. There are green color cloth safra spread to classify them from other ordinary commoner thaals. Menu and crockery of such preferential green safraa thaals is different than that of commoners. Any justification or explanation for such practice ?

I request bohra mumin to express any discriminatory practices in their experience.

[Ala maqaam]

my mom told me in masjid spaces are sold,and once u hold the card no one is suppose to sit on that place,even if some momena is not coming on that day,the place will remain vacant.

those who cant afford to buy this card need to sit out side in sahan even if place is vacant in masjid.

[like_minded]

AZ bhai

There is no use breaking your head educating these mindless morons about the true spirit of Muharram, They will never understand! Their ability to reason, rational thought, logic has been completely drained out and we all know it.

For them, Muharram will remain a high-profile tamasha... live relays of Syedna's waaz is more important to them than remembering Hussain, Beating themselves silly is more important to them than understanding the values, character and lessons taught by Hussain.

[sixfeetunder]

abubakar and usmaan where famous name of arab at that point of time so they kept these names

Oh Oh, So Mola Ali (a.s.) and Imam Hussain (a.s.) named their children Abubakr, Umar and Usman ONLY because they were famous names ? Whatever be your (il)logical answer, the fact remains that they did name their children as mentioned. And you claim to be the most devoted lover of those great souls, so why dont you follow their footsteps and name your children Abubakr, Umar and Usman ?

It is well-known that Imam Ali (a.s) named one of his sons Uthman after Uthman ibn Madhaown, who was one of the loyal companions of the Holy Prophet (s.a.w) and an ardent supporter of the Imam. Moreover, names such as Uthman and Umar were very common in Arabia. You will find many Umars and Uthmans in history books. Arabs used to love naming their children with those names. As for 'Abu Bakr', his actual name was Abdullah ibn Abi Quhafa and he was known by his name. 'Abu Bakr' was his 'kunya'. Historians started using the kunya 'Abu Bakr' later on and hence we today know him as 'Abu Bakr'. So, the argument that the names of Ali's sons shows there was no enmity between Ali and the Shaikheen, does not hold weight.

Also, I would counter-question that why do we not find a single boy of the Shaikheen named Ali? Going by the same logic, this shows the Shaikheen's enmity towards Ali (a.s).

[sixfeetunder]

the syedna pays only lip service to hussain, while religiously following the practices of hassan.

This statement is far away from the truth. The policies of Imam Hassan (a.s) were formulated keeping in mind the situations then. Martyrdom was required at the time of Imam Hussain whereas treaty was the need of the hour at the time of Imam Hassan. It is famously said that if Imam Hussain were in the shoes of Imam Hassan, he would have done the same thing and vice-versa. The treaty of Imam Hassan (a.s) went a long way in protecting the Shiat-e-Ali and their interests from the onslaught of Muawiya. It also helped in exposing Muawiya's reality. Imam Hasan exposed Muawiya through treaty, when Muawiya broke each and every pact plus appointed his debauch Yazid as his successor. Imam Hussain exposed Yazid and brought forth right from wrong through martyrdom.

Imam Hassan's contribution to the religion of Islam is as much as Imam Hussain's. Remember, both of them are described as the 'leaders of the youth of paradise' in Sunni and Shia books alike and were adored equally by The Holy Prophet (s.a.w).

As far as The Syedna is concerned, his practices, in my opinion, resemble more with those of Muawiya and not Imam Hassan (a.s).

[ghulam muhammed]

So, the argument that the names of Ali's sons shows there was no enmity between Ali and the Shaikheen, does not hold weight.

I never mentioned in the post that Mola Ali (a.s.) named their children as such due to his love for the 3 khalifas. My simple contention was that if He could name his children Abubakr, Umar and Usman then why cant his followers do the same ?

Also, I would counter-question that why do we not find a single boy of the Shaikheen named Ali?

I dont wish to defend the Shaikeens because what they allegedly do is wrong, by that yardstick the same goes well with Shias. You will not find a shia named Abdul Rehman because it was supposed to be the name of Ibne muljim who martyred Mola Ali (a.s.), in the same manner you will rarely find the name Firoz amongst sunnis but the same is in abundant in shias because that was the name of the person who assasinated one of the khalifas.

[anajmi]

You will not find a shia named Abdul Rehman because it was supposed to be the name of Ibne muljim who martyred Mola Ali (a.s.),

If this is true then this is another example of the shia gone crazy in Ali worship where Ali now holds higher significance than Allah himself.

[sixfeetunder]

I never mentioned in the post that Mola Ali (a.s.) named their children as such due to his love for the 3 khalifas. My simple contention was that if He could name his children Abubakr, Umar and Usman then why cant his followers do the same ?

Abu Bakr, Umar and Usman are now famous names among Muslims, which bring to mind the first three caliphs. The more (in)famous Uthman is Uthman ibn Affan and not Uthman ibn Madhoun. Hassan and Hussain were also Ali's son's. Ali's followers love Hasnain more than the Shaykheen and hence logic dictates that they would opt out of naming their children after those Caliphs who laid the foundations for the appointment of the likes of Muawiya and Yazid to the Islamic leadership.

I dont wish to defend the Shaikeens because what they allegedly do is wrong, by that yardstick the same goes well with Shias. You will not find a shia named Abdul Rehman because it was supposed to be the name of Ibne muljim who martyred Mola Ali (a.s.), in the same manner you will rarely find the name Firoz amongst sunnis but the same is in abundant in shias because that was the name of the person who assasinated one of the khalifas.

The word 'Caliph' is used in The Holy Qur'an. Allah says that man is his caliph on earth. However, the word 'Caliph' was blemished by the likes of Muawiya, Yazid and their predecessors. Hence, the word 'caliph' is now blemished for the lovers of the Prophet and his Family. The word brings to mind those individuals who usurped the rights of Ahl-e-Bayt. Similarly, the word 'Abdul Rehman' brings to mind that individual who uprooted the rightful Islamic leadership with his cursed dagger. Why would the Shia name their kids with a name that brings to mind that accursed personality? Aren't there many other names starting with the prefix 'Abd'?

I have made my points and wish to end this discussion here as the topic has diverted. I will not respond to any name-calling or provocation. If Shias are worshiping Ali (a.s), may Allah forgive them. If they are not, may Allah forgive those who accuse them.

[Muslim First]

6'U posted;
The word brings to mind those individuals who usurped the rights of Ahl-e-Bayt.

Br 6'U
AS
There is no God given right for Ahl-e-Bayt exixts as per Qur'an or Sunnah.
Show mw a clear Aya in Qur'an like referring to prayers or fasting or Hajj? Show mw clear Hadith which states
prophet SAW saying "After my death Ali will lead you and then Ali's progeny"

If wilayat was God ordained then why are no Imams after 11. Is it humanly possible for 12th to be alive after nearly 1200 years.
Where is Bohra Imam?

Please do not present gol gol (circular) arguments to support Imamat or wilayat.

Wasalaam

[profastian]

6'U posted;
The word brings to mind those individuals who usurped the rights of Ahl-e-Bayt.

Br 6'U
AS
There is no God given right for Ahl-e-Bayt exixts as per Qur'an or Sunnah.
Show mw a clear Aya in Qur'an like referring to prayers or fasting or Hajj? Show mw clear Hadith which states
prophet SAW saying "After my death Ali will lead you and then Ali's progeny"

If wilayat was God ordained then why are no Imams after 11. Is it humanly possible for 12th to be alive after nearly 1200 years.
Where is Bohra Imam?

Please do not present gol gol (circular) arguments to support Imamat or wilayat.

Wasalaam

Show a single Ayah, where it was instructed to elect a Khalifa through consensus?

[seeker110]

Show me a single abde who learned anything in 5 or 6 hours of Dai's majlis.

[Al Zulfiqar]

Show me a single abde who learned anything in 5 or 6 hours of Dai's majlis.

seeker, thou doth cast serious aspersions on syedna's vaaz.

i can show you thousands of abdes who will say after listening to syedna's vaaz, "su shaandar vaaz thi, su shaan thi shahadat nu bayan farmayu, hamne ghana rulaya." is that not learning enough? turning fierce, macho, muscled and bearded bohras who come from a warrior race, who fought alongside the brave warriors of hussain and who faced the heavily armoured 2 lakh soldiers of yazeed, into soft-hearted cry babies. is that not a great and divine transformation??

[ghulam muhammed]

i can show you thousands of abdes who will say after listening to syedna's vaaz, "su shaandar vaaz thi, su shaan thi shahadat nu bayan farmayu, hamne ghana rulaya."

Bro AZ,

This is a patented dialogue of all the abdes no matter whether those same abdes are snoozing around in the better part of the bayan only to wake up to the call of Ya Hussain. You ask them 'syedna ye su farmayu, zara detail maa kehso' and you will see a blank expression on their faces. Actually it has been drilled into their minds that it is a must to praise the dai's vayez as otherwise you are commiting a grave sin. Hence no matter whether they like it or not or whether they understand a word of it or not, they MUST shower praises on the dai's vayez.

[Al Zulfiqar]

if the bohra dai's were around at the time of hussain's shahadat, i'm sure they would erect a grand shamiana and stadium style seating where the obedient abdes could sit and observe the tragic proceedings and do maatam, followed of course by a labrez niaz nu jaman.

entry to the stands would be limited and seats would be sold according to your status: nkd, mkd, sheikh, mulla etc. the baite zaini and qasre aali, the hudud kiraam, the amils and vali mullas and lesser functionaries would all be seated as per their rutbas. and oh! before i forget, every bohra spectator's ejamaat card would be compulsorily scanned to judge how much valvalo he has for hussain.

we would be the only shias who would undertake such a vast journey to see our beloved imam aqa hussain being martyred and his remaining family led away in chains and without purdah, through the harsh deserts of mesopotamia. such is our love for muharram!

[think]

has anyone heard any words of wisdom this moharram from our future dai, muffi moula, lion ko mara.

[Al Zulfiqar]

has anyone heard any words of wisdom this moharram from our future dai, muffi moula, lion ko mara.

didnt you hear his greatest revelation of the last 15 centuries? where were you dude?

he compared syedna to hussain by stating that a casual look at syedna's noorani face reminds him of hussain. what more earth-shaking words of wisdom do you want??!

it is cynics like you who belittle the mansoos' profound words by ignoring them. shame on you!

[anajmi]

I am not sure I understand how that can happen. Let us take analyze that statement. Imam Hussain lived for around 54 years. He was much younger than the Syedna is right now when he was killed. No one knows what Imam Hussain looked like. If at 54 years he looked like the Syedna looks today, then he probably wasn't very good looking which would be an understatement.

So when mansoos said that Syedna reminds him of Imam Hussain, it couldn't be because of his looks.

So now let us analyse the deeds of the two. Imam Hussain fought with his neck held high for the sake of Islam. He died and sacrificed his family. The Dai hasn't sacrificed any of his family or even their luxuries. Infact, when threatened, the Dai is known to tender apologies and he is know to bow down to murderers to save his and his abde idiot's skins.

So when mansoos said that Syedna reminds him of Imam Hussain, it couldn't be because of his deeds either.

Imam Hussain wasn't a Dawoodi Bohra. So that couldn't a reason.

So can some abde throw some light on why the Syedna reminds the mansoos of Imam Hussain?

[Al Zulfiqar]

So can some abde throw some light on why the Syedna reminds the mansoos of Imam Hussain?

anajmi,

you will have to be a bit patient. i saw the whole gang of abdes - aqs, prof, stranger, adam, insecticide, mustafanalwala et all - shopping for a powerful searchlight to throw illumination on this question of yours. since these damn things are costly, they are, i believe, applying to get a loan under the qarzan hasana scheme and are putting up their hijaars as collateral.

[anajmi]

Actually, you didn't answer the question. You said

i for one, would rather not waste my time.

I would appreciate it if you can post it again.

[anajmi]

So your answer is this

Also, Muffadal Maula never compared our Dai to Hussain, the context is looking at Him, one is reminded of Imam Hussain. Muffadal Maula is also talking about a man whom we regard as our Father.

This is not an answer, but lack thereof. This is mumbo jumbo that people come up with when they have no answers. What does "the context is looking at him" mean? Did we think the context was not looking at him but hearing him? or tasting him? Regarding someone as your father also doesn't mean anything. Anyone older than you that you respect falls into that category, unless there are only two people on earth that you respect and the other one is your father.

[Al Zulfiqar]

Also, Muffadal Maula never compared our Dai to Hussain, the context is looking at Him, one is reminded of Imam Hussain.

mn,

if i say that LOOKING at laloo prasad yadav REMINDS me of a buffalo, whom am i COMPARING him to?

[JC]

Bravo Bro Al-Zulfikar .......!!!!!!

Muffadal even does not how to do 'bayan' and he is heir-apparent??!! Saw how he behaved and was shrugged off on Youm-e-Ashura Mubaraka ........... dah, what a bunch of crooks ........

[Al Zulfiqar]

if i say that looking at the new mola, the mansoos, reminds me of imam-ut-taiyeb, would i be wrong?

i am not comparing the mansoos mola with the 3 year old imam, or saying that the mansoos is immature or does not have enough practice in how to be a skilful vaezeen or that he is fearful and playful like a 3 year old kid, or that he is about to go into hiding for a long, long time, i am just saying that in this context he reminds me of imam taiyyeb..

look, please, i never compared the mansoos mola to the 3 year old imam. for the final time, i am only reminded of the imam as the mansoos 'resembles' imam taiyyeb.

thats all folks.

[Admin]

Posting this photo on behalf of "Humanbeing":

[humanbeing]

Above is a screenshot of the hoob details required to be submitted for payment in lieu of seats for Muharram.
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Moharram is approaching and activities has started in respective Jamats in Kuwait to allot seats to audience for Waaez ! All the mumins are registered with respective area Jamats and have to confirm their attendance (who wishes to..) on a website designed for this purpose.

The idea behind this Nizaam (as announced) is for crowd management, Jaman preparation and general statistics. The main community hall (Hussainya) is very big and spacious and can accommodate a large number crowd comfortably. However as per Nizaam, registration has to be be done for all centres respectively.

Gents are not required to register for seat allotment ! They are majority audience !! Women are instructed to register on the website for allotment of seats, for which they have to pledge a Hoob amount and accordingly seats will be alloted. The rates of Hoobs are determined as per the sequence of rows in seating arrangement. First 3 Rows ( A B and C) being the most expensive ones and then rates gradually decreasing for back bencher rows.
Please find attached with this mail, a snap shot of the website (http://www.kuwaitjamaat.com) asking for Hoob for seat allotment.

[Muslim First]

The rates of Hoobs are determined as per the sequence of rows in seating arrangement. First 3 Rows ( A B and C) being the most expensive ones and then rates gradually decreasing for back bencher rows.

Wow
what a religion!!!

[ANA BOHRI]

Above is a screenshot of the hoob details required to be submitted for payment in lieu of seats for Muharram.
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Moharram is approaching and activities has started in respective Jamats in Kuwait to allot seats to audience for Waaez ! All the mumins are registered with respective area Jamats and have to confirm their attendance (who wishes to..) on a website designed for this purpose.

The idea behind this Nizaam (as announced) is for crowd management, Jaman preparation and general statistics. The main community hall (Hussainya) is very big and spacious and can accommodate a large number crowd comfortably. However as per Nizaam, registration has to be be done for all centres respectively.

Gents are not required to register for seat allotment ! They are majority audience !! Women are instructed to register on the website for allotment of seats, for which they have to pledge a Hoob amount and accordingly seats will be alloted. The rates of Hoobs are determined as per the sequence of rows in seating arrangement. First 3 Rows ( A B and C) being the most expensive ones and then rates gradually decreasing for back bencher rows.
Please find attached with this mail, a snap shot of the website (http://www.kuwaitjamaat.com) asking for Hoob for seat allotment.

It reminds me of my olden days when I used to go to watch CIRCUS and I used to sit on the last bench wondering when would i get a chance to sit in the front row.

Many abde females prefer to give fakhera hoob only because if they don't pay then they will end up sitting in the last row with sort of "koka pisaa wala logo".........This is what our community has taught us

[humanbeing]

Many abde females prefer to give fakhera hoob only because if they don't pay then they will end up sitting in the last row with sort of "koka pisaa wala logo".........This is what our community has taught us

Hi AB
Very true, so you are also aware of the Koka Pisa discrimination in wagaad region !

[ANA BOHRI]

Many abde females prefer to give fakhera hoob only because if they don't pay then they will end up sitting in the last row with sort of "koka pisaa wala logo".........This is what our community has taught us

Hi AB
Very true, so you are also aware of the Koka Pisa discrimination in wagaad region !

Yes bro very much aware of this discrimination........