bohra youth zidabad.
m noorani; perhaps you should be informed since you were not there when it happened. it was your moula's karam and ehsaan that your mother met your father, it was your moulas ehsaan that your father went into your mother, it was your moulas ehsaan that he was present in gaib when this happened and did phook to give you life(astakfirullah) , it was your moulas ehsaan that you were born. This is how brainwashed you are.
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You are wrong.
Mola is zindabad.
Have you forgotten how the women of Udaipur were beaten by mobs of men in Galiyakot and all in front of Mola.But Mola knew that these ladies were yout group so he allowed them to be beaten and these women had to take refuge in the wilderness of Galyiakot.But Mola is reham dil He allowed the Hindus to do ziyarat of Fakhruddin Shaheed.
Mola is zindabad.
Have you forgotten how the women of Udaipur were beaten by mobs of men in Galiyakot and all in front of Mola.But Mola knew that these ladies were yout group so he allowed them to be beaten and these women had to take refuge in the wilderness of Galyiakot.But Mola is reham dil He allowed the Hindus to do ziyarat of Fakhruddin Shaheed.
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progticide
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Mubarak a.k.a. Doctor a.k.a. Badrijanab,
You have written very eloquently. I must say that your essay writing skill is improving. Maybe you have started taking english language lessons from a professionally qualified academician holding a Doctorate in English Literature. Well, let's leave the compliments there.
You may be feeling highly elated and overwhelmed with the sense of achievement after receiving so many "Likes Your Post" from your brothers (brothers in what?) and I am sure you would have invited your wife to view your post and the compliments too and she might have acknowledged your prowess remarking "Mubarak, kitna badiya likhte ho aap. In saalon ko achcha jawab diya aapne. Mujhe batana ab kya response dete he ye abde aapke jawaab ka."
But the reality is not so hilarious Mr. Mubarak. Because far away from your rented air-conditioned flat in the arabland, in the narrow bylanes of Malegaon and Udaipur, there is an audible and growing murmur among the reformists who are asking themselves and each other questions about their future, their children's future, the direction they are moving in, and the time they have lost without achieving anything. They are interacting with those who have taken a wise stand and made the decision to return to DB fold, to know what these people have to say about the difference in their lives after making the decision to join the DB fold again.
However long and well-crafted essays you may write trying to show the DBs in bad light and highlight the so-called progress and achievement of the reformists, the fact is that you are losing ground, and the reformists population is understanding that. The unease amongst the reformist population is palpable and growing, evident from the post from various reformists on this forum and in private.
The long list of teachers mentioned by you are students of Ahmed Ali who himself did not have much buying with the reformist. So dont try and fool people here with their qualification. They are all preaching against the official stand of the reformist movement itself that accepts the Syedna (TUS) as the 52nd Dai-e-Mutlaq of DBs, whereas these teachers are all trying to seed the reformist with the farce of previous Nass issue. Hence these professionally qualified teachers of yours are already in conflict with the reformist population and misguiding and misdirecting them. This is not something I am writing, but this what reformist themselves have agreed upon. So again you are fooling none but yourself with such lengthy rants about these teachers.
By copy-pasting my post and writing qasidas in the shaan of your clerics, and misleading the reformist population by drawing their attention in another direction while a storm is approaching behind their back , you are doing the most dishonest and corrupt service to your community.
You have written very eloquently. I must say that your essay writing skill is improving. Maybe you have started taking english language lessons from a professionally qualified academician holding a Doctorate in English Literature. Well, let's leave the compliments there.
You may be feeling highly elated and overwhelmed with the sense of achievement after receiving so many "Likes Your Post" from your brothers (brothers in what?) and I am sure you would have invited your wife to view your post and the compliments too and she might have acknowledged your prowess remarking "Mubarak, kitna badiya likhte ho aap. In saalon ko achcha jawab diya aapne. Mujhe batana ab kya response dete he ye abde aapke jawaab ka."
But the reality is not so hilarious Mr. Mubarak. Because far away from your rented air-conditioned flat in the arabland, in the narrow bylanes of Malegaon and Udaipur, there is an audible and growing murmur among the reformists who are asking themselves and each other questions about their future, their children's future, the direction they are moving in, and the time they have lost without achieving anything. They are interacting with those who have taken a wise stand and made the decision to return to DB fold, to know what these people have to say about the difference in their lives after making the decision to join the DB fold again.
However long and well-crafted essays you may write trying to show the DBs in bad light and highlight the so-called progress and achievement of the reformists, the fact is that you are losing ground, and the reformists population is understanding that. The unease amongst the reformist population is palpable and growing, evident from the post from various reformists on this forum and in private.
The long list of teachers mentioned by you are students of Ahmed Ali who himself did not have much buying with the reformist. So dont try and fool people here with their qualification. They are all preaching against the official stand of the reformist movement itself that accepts the Syedna (TUS) as the 52nd Dai-e-Mutlaq of DBs, whereas these teachers are all trying to seed the reformist with the farce of previous Nass issue. Hence these professionally qualified teachers of yours are already in conflict with the reformist population and misguiding and misdirecting them. This is not something I am writing, but this what reformist themselves have agreed upon. So again you are fooling none but yourself with such lengthy rants about these teachers.
By copy-pasting my post and writing qasidas in the shaan of your clerics, and misleading the reformist population by drawing their attention in another direction while a storm is approaching behind their back , you are doing the most dishonest and corrupt service to your community.
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Progticide
When you started the thread you asked people to have a decent and sober discussion but you yourself deviated from that by ridiculing Doctor in your last posting (see the opening lines) If you can follow your own advice why dispense it or you are acting like Kohari Goons do what we tell you not what we do
Beside only Warrio72 who in my opinion is Kothari Mole no one has really been murmuring.As a matter of fact there is a great subdued murmur among ortho and abdes about the abuse of Shezaadas and number of Ziyafaats. Wait for this Ramadan when you find out how much Wajebaats are going to be increased while levying the Hub for Thaali distribution. Seems Kothar is out of touch with the reality on the ground, people are loosing jobs and instead of downsizing their luxurious life, they have increased the tempo of their travels and number of ziyaafats. THERE WAS A TIME WHEN ZIYAFAAT WAS ONLY RESERVED FOR SYEDNA NOW SECOND AND THIRD GENERATIONS ARE ASKING FOR ZIYAFAATS THINK ABOUT IT
When you started the thread you asked people to have a decent and sober discussion but you yourself deviated from that by ridiculing Doctor in your last posting (see the opening lines) If you can follow your own advice why dispense it or you are acting like Kohari Goons do what we tell you not what we do
Beside only Warrio72 who in my opinion is Kothari Mole no one has really been murmuring.As a matter of fact there is a great subdued murmur among ortho and abdes about the abuse of Shezaadas and number of Ziyafaats. Wait for this Ramadan when you find out how much Wajebaats are going to be increased while levying the Hub for Thaali distribution. Seems Kothar is out of touch with the reality on the ground, people are loosing jobs and instead of downsizing their luxurious life, they have increased the tempo of their travels and number of ziyaafats. THERE WAS A TIME WHEN ZIYAFAAT WAS ONLY RESERVED FOR SYEDNA NOW SECOND AND THIRD GENERATIONS ARE ASKING FOR ZIYAFAATS THINK ABOUT IT
I am hoping for a decent and sober discussion from all the participants. To those who follow beliefs other than DB belief, or have nothing intelligent to contribute, or simply not concerned with the above subject, please excuse this thread.
You have written very eloquently. I must say that your essay writing skill is improving. Maybe you have started taking english language lessons from a professionally qualified academician holding a Doctorate in English Literature. Well, let's leave the compliments there.
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I saw and listened to the link provided by warrior 72.
It was heart breaking and was shocked at the character of the guards. This is no less than what yazeed did to the kafla of Imam Hussain at Karbala. It has opened my eyes to the cruelity of the priests in this religion.
They wear white robes and white pagri and tout about islam, but the things they do to the mumineen of the community is no where near islam or the preachings of Mohammed Rasulillah.
Cannot the bohra youth approach the international human rights association and other organizations to put an end to this kind of flagarant abuse of mumineens beliefs?
After seeing this link it brings back to me some painful memories when Asghar Ali Engineer talks about burning mumineen with acid. I vividly recall an incident that happened a long time back to one my uncle in karachi who at that time was also the secretary of the bohri jamaat in Karachi. One day he was called at Adam Masjid in Karachi by the then Amil of Karachi. After meeting the Amil as he was coming down the steps and someone threw acid on his face and completely disfigured him. People that knew him asked, but everything was hushed up. My uncle was a man of means and travelled to London to get plastic surgery and save him from embarrasement .A handsome man with a burned lip and cheeks and teeth in full view on his face because of the severe burns.
It was heart breaking and was shocked at the character of the guards. This is no less than what yazeed did to the kafla of Imam Hussain at Karbala. It has opened my eyes to the cruelity of the priests in this religion.
They wear white robes and white pagri and tout about islam, but the things they do to the mumineen of the community is no where near islam or the preachings of Mohammed Rasulillah.
Cannot the bohra youth approach the international human rights association and other organizations to put an end to this kind of flagarant abuse of mumineens beliefs?
After seeing this link it brings back to me some painful memories when Asghar Ali Engineer talks about burning mumineen with acid. I vividly recall an incident that happened a long time back to one my uncle in karachi who at that time was also the secretary of the bohri jamaat in Karachi. One day he was called at Adam Masjid in Karachi by the then Amil of Karachi. After meeting the Amil as he was coming down the steps and someone threw acid on his face and completely disfigured him. People that knew him asked, but everything was hushed up. My uncle was a man of means and travelled to London to get plastic surgery and save him from embarrasement .A handsome man with a burned lip and cheeks and teeth in full view on his face because of the severe burns.
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mumtaznagori
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Dear Doctor , you have wrote nice story , but it is fake , false , humbug and nonsense.
Real story is that not a single youth members know about Allah and His Mubarak kitaab Quran e majeed deeply , they don't know the sayings of Allah Subhanahu OR history of Islam OR about Rasulallah (saw) and his daughter Moulatena Fatema (as) OR about Moulana Ali (as) OR his son Imam Hasan (as) and Imam Husain (as) OR about 21 Imams OR history of 52 Doat OR History of Fatemi Dawat OR the culture of Fatemids.
If they do not have faith in 51 and 52 Dai , than it is useless to read Kitaab of Imam's and Doat such as Syedna Qazi Noman (ra) , Syedna Hatim (ra) and others as you have quoted the names (i) Sharhul Akhbar, (ii) Asasul Taweel, (iii) Taweel’ud Daimul Islam, (iv) Tohafatul masail kitaab, (v) Ooyunul Akhbaar, (vi) Ikhwan us safa (all 52+1 risala’s) and scores & scores of other authentic Fatimi books.
In your story you have quoted that :
For juniors - Shabab Urdu Quaida (book) teaches "Alif" se "Allah" and the photo next to it is kept blank. Youth wala's urdu Quaida (Mulla Taher Ali Lokhand Wala) has "Alif" for "Angoor" (grapes). Alif is the first letter, a kid cannot see photo of Allah so it is difficult to associate letter of Alif but if kid is shown photo of Angoor he can recognise the photo and so as the letter. Hence, for juniours also Youth literature and methods have merit over Shabab literature.
Mr. Doctor do you know that : har Musalman jo kaam shuru karta hai to woh Allah ke naam se kaam shuru karta hai jaise ke : BISMILLAHIR RAHMANIR RAHIM , aur Allah Taala ke naam se Taaleem hasil karna asaan ho jata hai aur har kaam asaan ho jata hai ,
Agar bachche ko ALIF se ALLAH sikhaya jaye to usme kya haraj hai, kyonki har muslaman bachche ki taaleem ALLAH ke naam se hi shuru hogi aur tamam bhi ALLAH ke naam se hogi nahi ke ALIF se ANAAR ya ANGOOR, ANAR aur ANGOOR ko paida karne wala ALLAH hi hai , ALLAH puri kainaat ka paida karne wala hai.
Dawoodi Bohra ka bachcha ALI ko manne wala hai , woh ALI ka shia hai , agar Dawoodi Bohra bachhe ko 'YA' se 'YA ALI ' sikhaye to usme kya haraj hai , uske waledain bachpan se YA ALI YA ALI sikhate hai , jis naam se tamam mushkile asaan ho jaati hai , agar bachcha YA ALI ka naam lega to uski tamam taaleem asaan ho jaegi.
Shayad ANAAR ya ANGOOR se mushkil asaan nahi hogi .
Mr Doctor , do you know every real Dawoodi Bohra attends sabaq in their home town weekly and attends the urus majlis and hears the bayaan without any cost,
in the month of ramazaan all the Dawoodi Bohras will gain some knowledge of Quraan shareef without any cost .
Dawoodi Bohras are well educated in the knowledge of Islaam , Imaan and history of Fatemi Dawat .
So Mr Doctor , stop writing fake , false and nonsense stories.
Mr Doctor, do you know the meaning of Valayat,Taharat, Salaat,Zakaat,Siyaam, Haj and Jihaad ?
If yes than you should know the name of Panjatan ,21 Imams and 52 Doat and thier teachings and deeds aur aap is tarah quote nahi karte :
Bohra Shabab leader Mulla Ji Burhanuddin sahab did NOT went to school/colleges to EARN the title of "Doctor" but was only GIFTED by virtue of him being NAAZIM of OUR Bohra community.
Mr . Doctor , What do you know about Bohra Shabab leader Mullaji Burhanuddin saheb ?
His name is His Holiness Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin.
I request you Mr Doctor, pls do not use any wrong words against syedna Saheb, he is the Father of Dawoodi Bohra, if some one abuse your father how do you feel ?
Has ever Syedna saheb used any wrong words for you ?
Syedna saheb and his aamils are teaching their followers to respect each other and giving them sabaq and teaching them Fiqeh, Akhbar and other subjects without any cost Mr.DOTOR.
Real story is that not a single youth members know about Allah and His Mubarak kitaab Quran e majeed deeply , they don't know the sayings of Allah Subhanahu OR history of Islam OR about Rasulallah (saw) and his daughter Moulatena Fatema (as) OR about Moulana Ali (as) OR his son Imam Hasan (as) and Imam Husain (as) OR about 21 Imams OR history of 52 Doat OR History of Fatemi Dawat OR the culture of Fatemids.
If they do not have faith in 51 and 52 Dai , than it is useless to read Kitaab of Imam's and Doat such as Syedna Qazi Noman (ra) , Syedna Hatim (ra) and others as you have quoted the names (i) Sharhul Akhbar, (ii) Asasul Taweel, (iii) Taweel’ud Daimul Islam, (iv) Tohafatul masail kitaab, (v) Ooyunul Akhbaar, (vi) Ikhwan us safa (all 52+1 risala’s) and scores & scores of other authentic Fatimi books.
In your story you have quoted that :
For juniors - Shabab Urdu Quaida (book) teaches "Alif" se "Allah" and the photo next to it is kept blank. Youth wala's urdu Quaida (Mulla Taher Ali Lokhand Wala) has "Alif" for "Angoor" (grapes). Alif is the first letter, a kid cannot see photo of Allah so it is difficult to associate letter of Alif but if kid is shown photo of Angoor he can recognise the photo and so as the letter. Hence, for juniours also Youth literature and methods have merit over Shabab literature.
Mr. Doctor do you know that : har Musalman jo kaam shuru karta hai to woh Allah ke naam se kaam shuru karta hai jaise ke : BISMILLAHIR RAHMANIR RAHIM , aur Allah Taala ke naam se Taaleem hasil karna asaan ho jata hai aur har kaam asaan ho jata hai ,
Agar bachche ko ALIF se ALLAH sikhaya jaye to usme kya haraj hai, kyonki har muslaman bachche ki taaleem ALLAH ke naam se hi shuru hogi aur tamam bhi ALLAH ke naam se hogi nahi ke ALIF se ANAAR ya ANGOOR, ANAR aur ANGOOR ko paida karne wala ALLAH hi hai , ALLAH puri kainaat ka paida karne wala hai.
Dawoodi Bohra ka bachcha ALI ko manne wala hai , woh ALI ka shia hai , agar Dawoodi Bohra bachhe ko 'YA' se 'YA ALI ' sikhaye to usme kya haraj hai , uske waledain bachpan se YA ALI YA ALI sikhate hai , jis naam se tamam mushkile asaan ho jaati hai , agar bachcha YA ALI ka naam lega to uski tamam taaleem asaan ho jaegi.
Shayad ANAAR ya ANGOOR se mushkil asaan nahi hogi .
Mr Doctor , do you know every real Dawoodi Bohra attends sabaq in their home town weekly and attends the urus majlis and hears the bayaan without any cost,
in the month of ramazaan all the Dawoodi Bohras will gain some knowledge of Quraan shareef without any cost .
Dawoodi Bohras are well educated in the knowledge of Islaam , Imaan and history of Fatemi Dawat .
So Mr Doctor , stop writing fake , false and nonsense stories.
Mr Doctor, do you know the meaning of Valayat,Taharat, Salaat,Zakaat,Siyaam, Haj and Jihaad ?
If yes than you should know the name of Panjatan ,21 Imams and 52 Doat and thier teachings and deeds aur aap is tarah quote nahi karte :
Bohra Shabab leader Mulla Ji Burhanuddin sahab did NOT went to school/colleges to EARN the title of "Doctor" but was only GIFTED by virtue of him being NAAZIM of OUR Bohra community.
Mr . Doctor , What do you know about Bohra Shabab leader Mullaji Burhanuddin saheb ?
His name is His Holiness Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin.
I request you Mr Doctor, pls do not use any wrong words against syedna Saheb, he is the Father of Dawoodi Bohra, if some one abuse your father how do you feel ?
Has ever Syedna saheb used any wrong words for you ?
Syedna saheb and his aamils are teaching their followers to respect each other and giving them sabaq and teaching them Fiqeh, Akhbar and other subjects without any cost Mr.DOTOR.
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Murtazanagorisome one abuse your father how do you feel ?
Can you tell this to Syedna's son and handler who are parading him in this frail health, Are you not ashamed that Syedna is being used to collect as much as money . Do you think it is okay for a 100 year old to be taken by Air Ambulance to London so his sons can make money
Oh really, then why Bohras were killed in Mumbai during Bohra/Muslim riot, why send laanats on Adamji Peerbhai and othher members of Muslim community Is that what you call Respect? Have you read about how ordinary Bohras have been treated by Aamil and Shezaadas?Syedna saheb and his aamils are teaching their followers to respect each other
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Murtazanagori
Where did you get this FREE stuff, there is no such thing as FREE in Dawoodi Bohra community, it is all included in Wajebaat-Sabil-Najwa-Hub
I suppose you may be getting everything free due to your high placement in Kothari Circle but an ordinary Bohra gets nothing FREE
Read about it in POVERTY IN AHMEDABAD
and for your information, Syedna is being abused by his own Sons and Son In Law, physical toruture is much sever than verbal torture for a 100 year old person, Would you treat your father like they are treating Syedna in this state of health and age
Where did you get this FREE stuff, there is no such thing as FREE in Dawoodi Bohra community, it is all included in Wajebaat-Sabil-Najwa-Hub
I suppose you may be getting everything free due to your high placement in Kothari Circle but an ordinary Bohra gets nothing FREE
Read about it in POVERTY IN AHMEDABAD
and for your information, Syedna is being abused by his own Sons and Son In Law, physical toruture is much sever than verbal torture for a 100 year old person, Would you treat your father like they are treating Syedna in this state of health and age
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mumtaznagori
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M. SBM , yes we call it respect as Allah taala wa subhanu says that pray la'anat to those who don't obey Allah's and Allah's Rasul (saw) and his successors , and lanaat was not send to that person Adamji Peerbhoy,SBM wrote:Murtazanagorisome one abuse your father how do you feel ?
Can you tell this to Syedna's son and handler who are parading him in this frail health, Are you not ashamed that Syedna is being used to collect as much as money . Do you think it is okay for a 100 year old to be taken by Air Ambulance to London so his sons can make moneyOh really, then why Bohras were killed in Mumbai during Bohra/Muslim riot, why send laanats on Adamji Peerbhai and othher members of Muslim community Is that what you call Respect? Have you read about how ordinary Bohras have been treated by Aamil and Shezaadas?Syedna saheb and his aamils are teaching their followers to respect each other
Mr SBM , Why are you so jealous by taking Syedna to London , pls follow your business and it is none of your business to interfere in Syedna saheb's matter. Syedna saheb is healthy and active in this age also .
Mr.SBM , all the followers of syedna are in prosperous , no ordinary Bohra is treated badly or abused by aamil and shezadaas .
Tum sab jhuthi baat kyon karte ho , Allah sends laanat to a liar . Allah doesn't love the person who says lie. When Allah doesn't love a liar how can he get Hidayat and Tawfeeq .
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I agree absolutely with the fact that Syedna is healthy and travelling around.Wouldn't it great to see the pictures of him taking pictures of his family,and the other members of the family taking turns to get everybody in the picture. Even asking strangers to get that one shot with all in the picture.How about a shot with everybody eating kabab burgers.
Syedna, as a religious leader is fond of travelling.He leaves the house in the morning in a chauffeured car or a private plane.He usually goes out to do Masjid Waqaf. He charges about 100k,and gets keep the onership of the said mosque. While he is at it he sits down to collect what ever is cash in followers kitty. In the meantime a picture opportunity arises. This is where the politicians or brand name dignitaries get their cut of the loot.After that its time collect from store owners under the name of pagla. Funny he cant walk anymore,so we will call it qadambosi. I personally think of it as Bhatta. After that back to masjid for namaz.Well he stopped doing that lately,must be hard to put it all correctly. Besides he is sick and travelling. A double whammy. So he has to pick up some more cash from the women folks.See men folk don't give up all.Women are always hiding some from their men. By this time he has wiped out all the monies that was in the town,also near buy towns. All this time its deafening for the followers who would prefer some moti na qalamat. Instead every body gets a big dose of ghanu jewo. A lot of matam is also in the agenda. Only way to stay quite and not say much.Afterwards its the doctors and scheduling for next day of fun in the path of the righteous.
Syedna, as a religious leader is fond of travelling.He leaves the house in the morning in a chauffeured car or a private plane.He usually goes out to do Masjid Waqaf. He charges about 100k,and gets keep the onership of the said mosque. While he is at it he sits down to collect what ever is cash in followers kitty. In the meantime a picture opportunity arises. This is where the politicians or brand name dignitaries get their cut of the loot.After that its time collect from store owners under the name of pagla. Funny he cant walk anymore,so we will call it qadambosi. I personally think of it as Bhatta. After that back to masjid for namaz.Well he stopped doing that lately,must be hard to put it all correctly. Besides he is sick and travelling. A double whammy. So he has to pick up some more cash from the women folks.See men folk don't give up all.Women are always hiding some from their men. By this time he has wiped out all the monies that was in the town,also near buy towns. All this time its deafening for the followers who would prefer some moti na qalamat. Instead every body gets a big dose of ghanu jewo. A lot of matam is also in the agenda. Only way to stay quite and not say much.Afterwards its the doctors and scheduling for next day of fun in the path of the righteous.
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What you are uttering is a BLATANT LIE as poverty amongst bohras is well known to all and sundry and regarding bohras prospering under the aegis of syedna then let me tell you that lakhs of Balaji bhakts, Sai baba bhakts and Siddhi Vinayak bhakts are MUCH MORE prosperous then abde bohras. So if your barometer to guage a faith is material benefits then Hindus, Christians and Jews are much more prosperous, hence by your yardstick Hinduism,Christianity and Jewism is a much better religion then present day Bohraism which is a corrupted version of Islam.mumtaznagori wrote:Mr.SBM , all the followers of syedna are in prosperous , no ordinary Bohra is treated badly or abused by aamil and shezadaas .
Tum sab jhuthi baat kyon karte ho , Allah sends laanat to a liar . Allah doesn't love the person who says lie. When Allah doesn't love a liar how can he get Hidayat and Tawfeeq .
Hence, in your own words.. Tum sab jhuthi baat karte ho., Allah sends laanat to a liar. Allah doesnt love the person who says lie. When Allah doesnt love a liar how can he get Hidayat and Tawfeeq.
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Do you know that majority of the ones attending sabaks do it as a mere formality just like making an entry in a muster register so that they are not reprimanded for not attending ? Further do you know what they teach in these weekly sabaks ? It is more like watching the National Geographic channel. How many abdes raise pertinent questions in these brain washing sessions ? Practically NONE as questioning the amil amounts to proving disloyalty to the dai and his coterie.mumtaznagori wrote:do you know every real Dawoodi Bohra attends sabaq in their home town weekly
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When you finger some body, look at a fingers pointing you and tell honestly who is joothaTum sab jhuthi baat kyon karte ho , Allah sends laanat to a liar . Allah doesn't love the person who says lie. When Allah doesn't love a liar how can he get Hidayat and Tawfeeq .
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mumtaznagori
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Mr Gulam Mohammed , Then Why are you not becoming bhakt of Balaji or Bhakt of Sai baba or bhakt of Sidhi Vinayak or you convert your religion , You will become prosperous and you will enjoy life . Aapko koi rok nahi raha hai. Roz ki yeh tension bhi nahi rahegi ke yahan aisa huwa aur wahan aisa huwa, usne itna paise liya ya usne itne paise diya.ghulam muhammed wrote:What you are uttering is a BLATANT LIE as poverty amongst bohras is well known to all and sundry and regarding bohras prospering under the aegis of syedna then let me tell you that lakhs of Balaji bhakts, Sai baba bhakts and Siddhi Vinayak bhakts are MUCH MORE prosperous then abde bohras. So if your barometer to guage a faith is material benefits then Hindus, Christians and Jews are much more prosperous, hence by your yardstick Hinduism,Christianity and Jewism is a much better religion then present day Bohraism which is a corrupted version of Islam.mumtaznagori wrote:Mr.SBM , all the followers of syedna are in prosperous , no ordinary Bohra is treated badly or abused by aamil and shezadaas .
Tum sab jhuthi baat kyon karte ho , Allah sends laanat to a liar . Allah doesn't love the person who says lie. When Allah doesn't love a liar how can he get Hidayat and Tawfeeq .
Hence, in your own words.. Tum sab jhuthi baat karte ho., Allah sends laanat to a liar. Allah doesnt love the person who says lie. When Allah doesnt love a liar how can he get Hidayat and Tawfeeq.
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mumtaznagori
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Mr Maqbool, I am telling honestly that you and your colleagues are LIAR , JHOOTHAMaqbool wrote:When you finger some body, look at a fingers pointing you and tell honestly who is joothaTum sab jhuthi baat kyon karte ho , Allah sends laanat to a liar . Allah doesn't love the person who says lie. When Allah doesn't love a liar how can he get Hidayat and Tawfeeq .
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mumtaznagori
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Mr Gulam Mohammed , it is none of your business , you just watch National Geography or other entertainment channels and enjoy your life . Kyon iss jhamele mein parte ho, aur aapka dimag kharab karte ho, bimar ho jaoge , sehat ka khayal rakho , abhi lambi zindagi bitani hai.ghulam muhammed wrote:Do you know that majority of the ones attending sabaks do it as a mere formality just like making an entry in a muster register so that they are not reprimanded for not attending ? Further do you know what they teach in these weekly sabaks ? It is more like watching the National Geographic channel. How many abdes raise pertinent questions in these brain washing sessions ? Practically NONE as questioning the amil amounts to proving disloyalty to the dai and his coterie.mumtaznagori wrote:do you know every real Dawoodi Bohra attends sabaq in their home town weekly
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Ghulam Mohd Bhai is a good person. Any religion will take him with open arms, as far as M Nago,I have serious doubts. Religion does not like the dog in the sledge team who is not pulling.
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ghulam muhammed
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I think that the incessant matam has converted your brain into a pulp. It was you who had laid this yardstick of bohras getting rich ONLY because of the Dai etc.etc. and to which I replied that other religions too have followers who believe in the miracle of their various babas and credit them for their prosperity and hence as they are far more richer then abdes then according to YOUR yardstick they are following a much better religion then yours !!mumtaznagori wrote:Mr Gulam Mohammed , Then Why are you not becoming bhakt of Balaji or Bhakt of Sai baba or bhakt of Sidhi Vinayak or you convert your religion , You will become prosperous and you will enjoy life .
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ghulam muhammed
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The above is a stereotyped statement uttered by every abde when they dont have a proper and logical answer, this is the best that they can quote but to your sheer disappointment let me tell you that no one can stop a person from speaking his mind and if you have no defence to shield your masters then it is better that you remain quite as that is exactly what is taught to slaves in a ghettoised cult which is not the case in a free world !!mumtaznagori wrote:Mr Gulam Mohammed , it is none of your business
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progticide
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Re: Who Trains Whom? Who Preaches What? Who Monitors?
GM and other expert reformists,
Kindly spare a few moments again to read through the opening post of this thread to understand the subject of discussion.
You could do well to contribute to the topic under discussion. You may accept or reject the problem statement offered by me, that is entirely your choice. But to digress from the subject itself shows that reformists are either clueless about the problem staring in their face or do not have any objective reasoning or solution to offer to this problem and therefore trying to sweep the subject under the carpet as seen time and again on this forum.
Kindly spare a few moments again to read through the opening post of this thread to understand the subject of discussion.
You could do well to contribute to the topic under discussion. You may accept or reject the problem statement offered by me, that is entirely your choice. But to digress from the subject itself shows that reformists are either clueless about the problem staring in their face or do not have any objective reasoning or solution to offer to this problem and therefore trying to sweep the subject under the carpet as seen time and again on this forum.
Re: Who Trains Whom? Who Preaches What? Who Monitors?
Why are you addressing the reformists.?progticide wrote:GM and other expert reformists,
Kindly spare a few moments again to read through the opening post of this thread to understand the subject of discussion.
You could do well to contribute to the topic under discussion. You may accept or reject the problem statement offered by me, that is entirely your choice. But to digress from the subject itself shows that reformists are either clueless about the problem staring in their face or do not have any objective reasoning or solution to offer to this problem and therefore trying to sweep the subject under the carpet as seen time and again on this forum.
Are you shahzaada or ha_______ zaada?
YOU should not come here and discuss these things . When you agree that the reformists are clueless,then let them be. Now is the time to mind your own business.
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mumtaznagori
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Mr.Gulam Mohammed , they (Syedna Saheb and his Followers) have proper and logical answer but they are not bound to answer your questions, Mr Gulam Mohammed still I will tell you that : IT IS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS,ghulam muhammed wrote:The above is a stereotyped statement uttered by every abde when they dont have a proper and logical answer, this is the best that they can quote but to your sheer disappointment let me tell you that no one can stop a person from speaking his mind and if you have no defence to shield your masters then it is better that you remain quite as that is exactly what is taught to slaves in a ghettoised cult which is not the case in a free world !!mumtaznagori wrote:Mr Gulam Mohammed , it is none of your business
Mr. Gulam Mohammed , I like what you said : " you remain quite as that is exactly what is taught to slaves in a ghettoised cult ", iss tarah ki language se ilm hota hai ke aap bahut progress kar chuke ho .
Mr Gulam Mohammed , Syedna Qutbuddin Shahid ke zaman mein unke dushman Syedna Qutbuddin shahid aur unke followers ko RAFZI kehte thay aur un sabki maskhari aur gaali dete thay, Woh sab bahut progressive thay, us waqt Syedna saheb aur unke maan ne waale Sirate Mustaqeem par sabit rahe , aaj unki nasal ke ahal aur aulaad wahi amal kar rahe hai jo unke buzurgo ne kiya .
Mr Gulam Mohammed it is not your business , and who are you ? and on what basis they will answer your questions ?
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mumtaznagori
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Mr GM , as you said that " they are following much better religion " , but which religion do you follow ?ghulam muhammed wrote:I think that the incessant matam has converted your brain into a pulp. It was you who had laid this yardstick of bohras getting rich ONLY because of the Dai etc.etc. and to which I replied that other religions too have followers who believe in the miracle of their various babas and credit them for their prosperity and hence as they are far more richer then abdes then according to YOUR yardstick they are following a much better religion then yours !!mumtaznagori wrote:Mr Gulam Mohammed , Then Why are you not becoming bhakt of Balaji or Bhakt of Sai baba or bhakt of Sidhi Vinayak or you convert your religion , You will become prosperous and you will enjoy life .
you quoted that : I think that the incessant matam has converted your brain into a pulp , Mr GM , what harms you when the followers of Syedna Saheb does the MATAM ? aap ko kya taklif hoti hai ? ,
Mere pyaare bhai , ye sab darde sari chodo aur itminaan ki zindagi basar karo , ye sab tumhare bas ki baat nahi hai, pehle bhi aap se kahan tha ke zindagi lambi bitani hai . kyo be wajah tabiyat kharab kar rahe ho .
IT IS NON OF YOUR BUSINESS
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profastian
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Don't you know who he is ? He is GOD.mumtaznagori wrote:Mr.Gulam Mohammed , they (Syedna Saheb and his Followers) have proper and logical answer but they are not bound to answer your questions, Mr Gulam Mohammed still I will tell you that : IT IS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS,ghulam muhammed wrote: The above is a stereotyped statement uttered by every abde when they dont have a proper and logical answer, this is the best that they can quote but to your sheer disappointment let me tell you that no one can stop a person from speaking his mind and if you have no defence to shield your masters then it is better that you remain quite as that is exactly what is taught to slaves in a ghettoised cult which is not the case in a free world !!
Mr. Gulam Mohammed , I like what you said : " you remain quite as that is exactly what is taught to slaves in a ghettoised cult ", iss tarah ki language se ilm hota hai ke aap bahut progress kar chuke ho .
Mr Gulam Mohammed , Syedna Qutbuddin Shahid ke zaman mein unke dushman Syedna Qutbuddin shahid aur unke followers ko RAFZI kehte thay aur un sabki maskhari aur gaali dete thay, Woh sab bahut progressive thay, us waqt Syedna saheb aur unke maan ne waale Sirate Mustaqeem par sabit rahe , aaj unki nasal ke ahal aur aulaad wahi amal kar rahe hai jo unke buzurgo ne kiya .
Mr Gulam Mohammed it is not your business , and who are you ? and on what basis they will answer your questions ?
Narcissism and self righteousness thy names are Ajgar, Insap, Porus, GM and anajmi,
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ghulam muhammed
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Mr.progticide,progticide wrote:GM and other expert reformists,
Kindly spare a few moments again to read through the opening post of this thread to understand the subject of discussion.
You could do well to contribute to the topic under discussion. You may accept or reject the problem statement offered by me, that is entirely your choice. But to digress from the subject itself shows that reformists are either clueless about the problem staring in their face or do not have any objective reasoning or solution to offer to this problem and therefore trying to sweep the subject under the carpet as seen time and again on this forum.
First of all let me clarify once again that Iam not a member of reformist group. Secondly, in no way do I intend to derail the topic but if my comments seem such then it is only a reply to some stupid illogical posts which are in fact the ones derailing the topic. You have raised some valid questions and I hope that the same will be debated by official reformists in a dignified manner.
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ghulam muhammed
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Mr.mnagori,mumtaznagori wrote:Mr.Gulam Mohammed , they (Syedna Saheb and his Followers) have proper and logical answer but they are not bound to answer your questions, Mr Gulam Mohammed still I will tell you that : IT IS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS,
Even Hitler said that he had 'proper and logical reasons' for massacring the jews and he sighted the reasons of the poor german's exploitation at the hands of the rich jews to further his argument, even your Mola's friend Modi said that he had 'proper and logical reasons' for orchestrating the killings of thousands of muslims and the reason given by him was the Newton's Law: "Every action has an equal Reaction"...... So you see everyone have answers to their actions no matter how pervert and evil their actions are but your Mola refuses to do the same and that too when the religion of Islam is concerned. Hence I will again tell you that : IT IS VERY MUCH THE BUSINESS OF EVERY MUSLIM TO QUESTION THE ONES WHO PLAY WITH ISLAM, USE THE MAZAHAB AS A BUSINESS VENTURE AND THEREBY GIVE ISLAM A BAD NAME. MUSLIMS WILL STOP QUESTIONING YOUR DAI ONCE HE ACCEPTS THE FACT THAT BOHRAISM IS A SEPARATE CULT AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ISLAM, TILL THEN YOUR REQUEST WILL NOT BE ADHERED TO !!
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ghulam muhammed
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I will ask you the same question: Who are you and why are you participating on this forum ? On what basis will the reformists answer your questions ?mumtaznagori wrote:Mr Gulam Mohammed it is not your business , and who are you ? and on what basis they will answer your questions ?
Kindly get into your thick skull that this is an open forum wherein people have the right to ask any questions especially the muslims when it comes to Islam and if you do not have any answer then remain quite rather then posting nonsensical arguments which has no head nor tail.
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MurtazaVds
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SHOCKED..ghulam muhammed wrote:
First of all let me clarify once again that Iam not a member of reformist group.
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ghulam muhammed
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Iam not surprised !!MurtazaVds wrote:ghulam muhammed wrote:First of all let me clarify once again that Iam not a member of reformist group.
SHOCKED..
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MurtazaVds
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People with brain would only have this pleasure of being surprised ...!! :pghulam muhammed wrote:Iam not surprised !!MurtazaVds wrote:ghulam muhammed wrote:First of all let me clarify once again that Iam not a member of reformist group.
SHOCKED..