Dawoodi Bohra Forum

Posted: **Fri Dec 28, 2012 1:50 pm**

@S. Insaf

Now I realize that brother Adam has lost his sense of understanding in his fanaticism.
He can not differentiate between sarcastic and normal statements. May Allah show him right path.
S. Insaf

..................
Adam was first person who was created from Noor (light) of Allah.
He remained in care of Allah.
He was so great that even angels were asked to bow before him.
But when Allah told him not to touch a particular tree he disobeyed Allah and touched it.
Because then Brother Adam was not there to advise him.

What???? What are you one about?

I'm not sure I understand you correctly? Which part were you being sarcastic about?
Loving 1 2 3?
Being a Muslim?
A Shia?
Or a Dawoodi Bohra?

Sarcasm isn't related too well on this forum. The least you could do was add a ":P" when you wanted to be sarcastic.
Please clarify.

Posted: **Fri Dec 28, 2012 2:02 pm**

hmmmm
I wonder why my post "S.Insaf - The liar revealed" keeps getting deleted.

Because I called him what he is? A two faced lying snake?

Here it is again:
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=7942

Posted: **Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:18 pm**

Adam wrote: Respecting those close are mandatory, only if they remain Muslims and do not turn against the Prophet and his Wasi. No more respect for them, only La'nat.

@ Adam,

Respecting those close to the rightful hidden Imam is mandatory, only if they remain Muslims (on true path) and do not turn against Prophet (s.a.w.) by questioning his wisdom and invent fairytales to fulfil their hidden agenda and fill their coffers by levying exhorbitant taxes in the name of Islam, by charging hefty fees to give bayan of Prophet's grandson, Imam Hussain (a.s.), by inviting and felicitating yazids of today in Masjid, by giving religious titles to drunkards/gamblers/womanisers for hefty fees, by prohibiting people to pray in Masjids unless amounts ranging in crores is not given hence it doesnt have the religious sanctity, by stopping burials if money for qabr is not given.............................. Hence according to your own interpretation anyone who posseses the said qualities and is a KAFAN CHOR should NOT be respected, ONLY LANAT for him !!!

Thanks for confirming what everyone has been saying all along.

Posted: **Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:54 pm**

adam

when you utter laanats against the first 3 khalifas and aisha, whom the prophet personally chose as his companions, are you saying that the prophet had no foresight, that he did not have ghaib nu ilm or was he a fool? (naauzobillah!)

when ali named his first born sons after abubakr, umar and usman, from wives he married AFTER fatima's death and they accepted martyrdom in kerbala alongside hussain, was he also a fool or a coward to do so, did he lack bravery?

Please answer, do not disappear as you always do, esp when i corner you, you coward!

Posted: **Fri Dec 28, 2012 5:57 pm**

Adam you are on notice do not use this site to utter abuses to the prophets household and companions.

If you cannot hold your tongue start your own forum.

Constructive criticism or debating events is acceptable but not vulgar comments or cursing to hurt the feelings of 1 billion Muslims. If they do respond in self defence do not blame anyone but yourself and your cohorts for asking for it.

Posted: **Fri Dec 28, 2012 7:37 pm**

Bohra spring wrote: Constructive criticism or debating events is acceptable but not vulgar comments or cursing to hurt the feelings of 1 billion Muslims. If they do respond in self defence do not blame anyone but yourself and your cohorts for asking for it.

Bro Bohra spring,

It is the duty of Slaves to follow their Master no matter what and the abdes like Adam are the true slaves of an autocratic ruler. Now why would Adam and his cohorts worry about the 1 billion muslims when his master is not ? Dont you know how his master felicitated the "Butcher of Muslims" and gave him a cheque of over Rs.One crore after draping a shawl around him knowing fully well as to how muslim women were raped, their private parts were pierced with trishuls and the wombs of pregnant women were ripped off and how children and elderly muslims were burnt alive. So how can you expect his followers to respect the feelings of other muslims when they cant even respect their lives !!!

Regarding the response from Muslims for abusing their khalifas, dont you know as to how the master responds ? He sneaks into a police van and leaves his followers behind to face the assault, as a remedial measure he then apologises on national TV for his blunder !! He shamelessly uses a Buick and Cadillac car given to him by the late saudi king but abuses the king's leaders behind his back.

Do these meek abdes and their leaders have the balls to shower abuses on the khalifas and ummul mumenin OPENLY in saudi arabia or a public platform ? Do they even have the balls to protest against the demolition of holy places in saudi ? They can only rant in closed doors and fool the abdes into believing that the Dai will instal a Gold Zarih on the shrine of Fatema-tus-zehra (a.s.) and extort tonnes of gold and use it for jewellery for the zaadis and other ayyashis.

Posted: **Fri Dec 28, 2012 10:53 pm**

Adam wrote:hmmmm
I wonder why my post "S.Insaf - The liar revealed" keeps getting deleted.

Because I called him what he is? A two faced lying snake?

Here it is again:
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=7942

The first topic that you started was merged with this thread, and the second one being a repeat was deleted, and the new one also will be deleted.

Posted: **Sat Dec 29, 2012 9:29 am**

The first topic that you started was merged with this thread, and the second one being a repeat was deleted, and the new one also will be deleted.

I would like to add a new thread dedicated specially to S. Insaf.
I have had threads dedicated to ME, so why not him? Double standards?

Posted: **Sat Dec 29, 2012 9:30 am**

Oh, by the way.
S.Insaf! Still waiting for you to clarify your sarcams.
Do you claim to be a Muslim/Shia/Dawoodi Bohra or not?

Adam wrote:@S. Insaf

Now I realize that brother Adam has lost his sense of understanding in his fanaticism.
He can not differentiate between sarcastic and normal statements. May Allah show him right path.
S. Insaf

..................
Adam was first person who was created from Noor (light) of Allah.
He remained in care of Allah.
He was so great that even angels were asked to bow before him.
But when Allah told him not to touch a particular tree he disobeyed Allah and touched it.
Because then Brother Adam was not there to advise him.

What???? What are you one about?

I'm not sure I understand you correctly? Which part were you being sarcastic about?
Loving 1 2 3?
Being a Muslim?
A Shia?
Or a Dawoodi Bohra?

Sarcasm isn't related too well on this forum. The least you could do was add a ":P" when you wanted to be sarcastic.
Please clarify.

Posted: **Sat Dec 29, 2012 9:40 am**

S. Insaf is undoubtedly one of the owners of this Forum. He is not a Dawoodi Bohra. And through this Forum, he allows "Progressives", Non Dawoodi Bohras (Sunnia & Wahabis) to insult their belief.

LIAR = Someone who claims to be something, but is in fact someone else.

HIS FALSE CLAIMS:

Daear Brother Adam! Please allow me to repeat once more for you:
I am proud to be a Mumin
I became a pure and simple Muslim about 1430 years back.
I became a Shia Muslim about 1350 years back
I became a Shia Ismaili Muslim about 1300 years back
I became a Shia Ismaili Mustaili Muslim about 970 years back
I became a Shia Ismaili Mustaili Tayyebi Muslim about 900 years back
I became a Shia Ismaili Mustaili Tayyebi Bohra Muslim about 490 years back
I became a Shia Ismaili Mustaili Tayyebi Dawoodi, Bohra Muslim about 460 years back
I am now a Dawoodi Bohra Mumin since last 85 years.
I firmly believe that I will remain a Dawoodi Bohra Mumin till the Day of Judgment under the Dai-ship of Sayedna Mohammad Burhanuddin.
Prophethood ended. Khilafat ended. Imamat ended. but Dawat and that too Dawoodi Bohra Dawat will not end till Roze-Qayamat.
Though Allah has given guarantee for Qur’an and Islam, these will remain till day of judgment.
S. Insaf

Since I am not a regular on this forum, I have just quoted a few of his words simply from the last week. He must have said much more.
Below are his quotes, please google them if you don't trust me:

HIS CLAIM:
To be a Muslim
HIS FALSEHOOD REVEALED:

There is no priesthood in Islam as religious functions can be performed by any ordinary Muslim.

(He denies the concept of Nabi and Imam)

HIS CLAIM:

I became a Shia Muslim about 1350 years back
I became a Shia Ismaili Muslim about 1300 years back

HIS FALSEHOOD REVEALED:

Syedna Burhanuddin cursed Muslim caliphs (R.A.) and Hazrat Aisha Siddiqah (R.A.) openly during Moharram,

HIS CLAIM:

I became a Shia Ismaili Mustaili Tayyebi Dawoodi, Bohra Muslim about 460 years back

HIS FALSEHOOD REVEALED:
He goes on to insult Dawoodi Bohras by posting this article:

Milli Gazette - Delhi in its issue of 1-15 December issue has published my article "Bohras: An Islamic sect reduced to a cult."

HIS BIGGEST CLAIM & LIE:
I firmly believe that I will remain a Dawoodi Bohra Mumin till the Day of Judgment under the Dai-ship of Sayedna Mohammad Burhanuddin.
HIS FALSEHOOD REVEALED:
Yet, he goes on to insult Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin TUS (who he claims to follow) numerous times, example in this following thread.
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=7924

Concluding:
S. Insaf is not a Muslim, Shia or Dawoodi Bohra. He's lying two faced snake

Proggies like Doctor and BadriJanab would agree with me on the fact that he isn't a Dawoodi Bohra. But, will they have courage to confirm this fact? That is another question.

Posted: **Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:03 pm**

(He denies the concept of Nabi and Imam)

Actually, he does not. He just denies the concept of the all powerful God on Earth Dai which is a concept that is haram in Islam. Anyone who thinks that you cannot get into jannah without the Dai's permission (like Adam and some other Kothari b's) are mushriks.

I became a Shia Muslim about 1350 years back
I became a Shia Ismaili Muslim about 1300 years back

Even though S.Insaf explained this, the pea brain b.. didn't understand it. His entire post was sarcastic in nature. You see how the forms of Islam have changed as the years pass by? Shia Muslim, then with more addition you become Shia-Ismaili Muslim, then with more additions over the next few centuries you eventually become Shia-Ismaili-chest-beating-feet-kissing-stupid-idol-worshipping Muslim or a Kothari bitch. This is the point that he was trying to drive home, but unfortunately for him, there is nobody home!!

Posted: **Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:32 pm**

Even though S.Insaf explained this, the pea brain b.. didn't understand it. His entire post was sarcastic in nature.

To give S. Insaf the benefit of doubt, I'm still trying to figure out which "part" of his post was sarcastic.
Because if his (according to anajmi) "ENTIRE POST" was sarcastic, that would make S.Insaf be sarcastic about being a Muslim in the first place!

There you have it, confusion confusion. I evem PMd the man, but he's too much of a coward to answer.

S. Insaf, what are you? Which parts are you sarcastic about

Posted: **Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:40 pm**

S. Insaf wrote:Now I realize that brother Adam has lost his sense of understanding in his fanaticism.
He can not differentiate between sarcastic and normal statements. May Allah show him right path.

Posted: **Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:42 pm**

Am I getting this wrong or is ADMIN being a biased two faced coward by deleting my posts?
S. Insaf.
Here it is again, for the fourth time (I think)
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=7950

Posted: **Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:57 pm**

Adam,

Are you so dumb that you do not understand sarcasm? Sarcasm has crap mixed with the truth to drive home the point. We started with the truth 14 centuries ago and then with the help of the kothar and its bitches, descended into the crap that we are in now.

Admin is doing a great deed by deleting your posts. We need to clean the neighbourhood one bitch at a time.

Posted: **Sat Dec 29, 2012 4:34 pm**

Adam and his likes on these forum as well as in real life are spineless serpents, who are eating away faith of a beautiful community who has instilled their faith in Kothari conmen in name of islam.

Poor adam is beaten black and blue on this forum from all sides, but due to his master’s order he has to stay here and put up a useless lame and stinking fight. While his sidekick refreshes from bruises and comes back to dance in colorful disgust. While adam goes back to lick some feet, earn some bones and hides in the bush monitoring the forum to jump and corner some topic, to show his masters his tail is still wagging.

His pointless attack on a reformist leader, is nothing but headless attempt to divert the attention of the readers from controversial discussion on Kothari corruption. Cowardly choosing to blow the same cacophony of his hollow accusations

Posted: **Sat Dec 29, 2012 5:11 pm**

i am quoting adam here....since he likes to rub his insults in.

"There you have it,..... but he's too much of a coward to answer."

so now adam, answer my query below, unless you are too much of a coward to answer.

Al Zulfiqar wrote:adam

when you utter laanats against the first 3 khalifas and aisha, whom the prophet personally chose as his companions, are you saying that the prophet had no foresight, that he did not have ghaib nu ilm or was he a fool? (naauzobillah!)

when ali named his first born sons after abubakr, umar and usman, from wives he married AFTER fatima's death and they accepted martyrdom in kerbala alongside hussain, was he also a fool or a coward to do so, did he lack bravery?

Please answer, do not disappear as you always do, esp when i corner you, you coward!

Posted: **Sat Dec 29, 2012 6:45 pm**

A lesson from Quran that I have understood is this. That Muslims should let Allah do what he does and that Muslims should do what Allah has commanded them to do.

In common usage amongst some Muslims, the word "laanat" is used as a form of abuse, a practice condemned by Allah in Quran. (Remember 'waylul li-kulli humazatil lumazah'?)

Whereas, Quran generally talks about 'laanat' it means 'rejection' of the ways of the kuffar and the latter's removal from Allah's grace on the day of Judgement.

When Allah invokes laanat on Kuffar, that does not give Muslims a command to do likewise. That encroaches on Allah's privilege, a clear case of arrogance. Only Allah can judge who to reject.

Those who take over Allah's exclusive priveleges are bigots, who have caused so much grief to both Muslims and non-Muslims alike in today's world.

Contrast this with ayat 33:56, where Allah clearly commands Mumineen to invoke Salawaat and Salaams on the Prophet. Allah does not just say that Allah blesses Prophet but extends the command to all.

There is no ayat in the Quran which asks Muslims to invoke 'laanat' on anyone. In any case, that would be against the spirit of the Quran.

Posted: **Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:17 pm**

I will post the two answers on another thread. viewtopic.php?f=1&t=7951 & (La'nat) viewtopic.php?f=1&t=7952

As this thread belongs to S. Insaf
And we are eager to know which part of his claim he was being sarcastic about.
Is he a Muslim? Is he a Shia? Is he a Dawoodi Bohra?

Posted: **Mon Dec 31, 2012 4:13 pm**

Adam wrote:
As this thread belongs to S. Insaf
Is he a Muslim? Is he a Shia? Is he a Dawoodi Bohra?

he is a human being, which YOU are NOT!

Posted: **Thu Jan 03, 2013 9:20 am**

Adam wrote:I will post the two answers on another thread. viewtopic.php?f=1&t=7951 & (La'nat) viewtopic.php?f=1&t=7952

As this thread belongs to S. Insaf
And we are eager to know which part of his claim he was being sarcastic about.
Is he a Muslim? Is he a Shia? Is he a Dawoodi Bohra?

Where is he?

Posted: **Thu Jan 03, 2013 10:37 am**

Adam wrote:
Where is he?

good to know that you are losing your sleep over his whereabouts...

Posted: **Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:31 am**

Rather, I'm like a loving brother who's looking out for someone that once was a "child of his parent".
Looking out for him
SOmething you guys wouldn't understand.

So, my point exactly. S. Insaf disappears when he doesn't have answer. He'll come back with some other article and will vanish again.

Posted: **Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:59 am**

Adam wrote:Rather, I'm like a loving brother who's looking out for someone that once was a "child of his parent".
Looking out for him
SOmething you guys wouldn't understand.

So, my point exactly. S. Insaf disappears when he doesn't have answer. He'll come back with some other article and will vanish again.

But this is what you said earlier

Please note:
I am not trying to educate them. Education isn't something they've been gifted with (or will ever be).
And No, I do not wish to bring them back into the Dawat. Hidayat is in Allahs hands.

So if you are a like a loving brother then why as a loving brother NOT educate some one who is gone astray who was once Child of your parents
and I am glad you did consider Saif Insaaf as your brother even in jest and sarcastically but that is a reform in you.

Posted: **Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:28 pm**

Adam wrote:
So, my point exactly. S. Insaf disappears when he doesn't have answer. He'll come back with some other article and will vanish again

that is your trademark. you jump sideways and disappear when it gets very hot for you out here. first answer my questions which i have posted on another thread. dont run and hide.

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