Dawoodi Bohra Forum

I think for me to say lanaat on those three bozos and the enemies of Ahlul bayt is rather a subtle choice than the choice that is implemented. Its not the abdes that say lanaat but all the ithna ashari community ( the main sect of Shia faith ) that is in to it and I think its valid that they should according to the history that is from the shia hadeeth. I know the sunnis dont like it because of their view on the khalifs.
I read the comments where " Is Prophet Mohammed was a ....... ( nauzobillah) to appoint them as...." I'm sure there are no words to talk about Rasuls ( S.A.W) intelligence, but the above comment with the inverted comma is limited by your intelligence that is what I say it is "disgraceful".
I know my sunni friends above will hate me and will come down on me with questions that are related to Aqa Ali ( A S ) sons name, I just believe at that time those were just names but for now these names are stigma for any shia individual. Im keeping it simple but instead of debating about the names History is a betta option that proves lanaat is inevitable on those three low lifers.
I'm asking once again arent Reformists shias!!!??

Bingo
Can you tell why do you hate 1 2 3 … and what are their deeds that makes them wrong ?

Well for that are u shia or sunni?

Ha ha ha !!

I m bohra Shia !! are you going to ask me more questions or express your reasons to hate 1 2 3

dont no wats so funny? and are u goin to act like you dont know anything?

bingo wrote:dont no wats so funny? and are u goin to act like you dont know anything?

You talk like my girl !!
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Bingo !! you want to have a conversation ??

Lets not bore other members here !! I m not acting... I know why bohra hates 1 2 3 ... let hear it from you ... why are you not expressing your laanats, which is mandatory for being a shia !!

why are you going round and round !!

Talk like your girl!? Just asked you a simple question like anyone would do nothing to be surprised. Humanbeing watch your words I never said that its mandatory for a shia to curse 123. I talked about the personal choice for lanaat on these 3 low lifers and its just one of the cliches I dont see the point of writing an essay for an unnecessary reason or the reason that is known by all. It would be just be a topic served out cold so that others would retaliate Im sure ur not a dumb stricken guy who wants to know the thing that he already knows. If you want to know my personal view I'm talking about the history that narrates the atrocities committed by these so called khalifs on Ahlubayt that you can find in any of the shia hadeeth or any of the shia scholars.

You talk a lot and say nothing !
First you wasted space on this forum
Second I never accused you of making laanats mandatory, Read the lines before you jump !

humanbeing wrote: why are you not expressing your laanats, which is mandatory for being a shia !!

Its your masters and their stooge on this forum who says, laanat is mandatory for a shia belief.
Third, why did you ask me if I was a shia or sunni ? ( don’t bother to answer !)
Fourth

bingo wrote: If you want to know my personal view I'm talking about the history that narrates the atrocities committed by these so called khalifs on Ahlubayt that you can find in any of the shia hadeeth or any of the shia scholars.

And if you can elaborate on details, we can find out similarities in their conduct with those of kothars, and then figure out who is the real enemy of Ahlul Bayt !

So people like to assume things and there m wasting space in this forum dont worry sometimes one bad thing leads to another good thing, theres alot of space in this forum. Im just talking about myself thats it no master no stooge. Thats very smart of you of asking the question then sayin not to answer it. Well I asked you to assure myself whether you're one of the people who really wants to know or not? and since ur a shia its inevitable that u know abt it but I still dont understand why you want to know it from me and what details you want me to elaborate so that that would find the similarities with the kothars. So just curious what do you think? As shias should we say laanat on these 3 or not?

Lanat is for the life that ha no conscience left in it. The thing that keeps your conscience alive is labor. Who ever takes without earning (labor, be it physical or mental) is evil. Evil will vouch for each other.

bingo wrote:So people like to assume things .................... what details you want me to elaborate so that that would find the similarities with the kothars. So just curious what do you think? As shias should we say laanat on these 3 or not?

Okay Bingo
Tell us what atrocities the three Khalifas did on Ahl-e-Bayt and then let us compare the atrocities of Kothari Goons on Bohras
Umer did kick the door of Ali and Fatema and caused the termination of Fatema's pregnancy. BUT HE WAS NOT A KHALIFA AT THAT TIME,DURING THE TIME OF UMER'S KHILAFAT, ALI WAS HIS CLOSEST ADVISER (Ref: No God but God by Reza Aslan, a shia Scholar)
Abu Baker was Khalifa for only two years and his crime was to take away Ali and Fatima's inheritance from Prophet Mohammed and enriched the wives of Prophet (he was selfish looking out for his daughter Aysha) while Umer did give back the house of Prophet to Ali and Fatima and reversed Abu Baker's ruling
Usman was an incompetent ruler he was 74 year old when he became Khalifa and it was political maneuvering by his brother in law Marwan and due to his incompetency and corruption he as murdered
SO TELL US WHAT KIND OF ATROCITIES THESE KHALIFAS DID TO AHL-E-BAYT
Now let us see the atrocities of Kothari,
]They refused burial to Bohras in Qabrestan,
they removed the bodies of Bohras from the grave and threw on the street
They issued Baraat on the families and broke the families apart
They created a riot in the streets of Bombay and had blood of many innocents Bohras on their hand
They attacked people in Masjid in Udaipur
They attacked their own (Shakir of Zahir Batin)
They attacked Mazoon's car and his family in Surat
And the list goes on
In Islam only Dead Bodies are carried on the shoulder of a Person, Only Phiroon was carried in his Palkhi by live Human Being
Now this may be too much for your comprehension so I will continue later

Ok nice when Umer was khalif I wouldnt relate Aqa Ali ( A.S ) as his ADVISER, I really dont want to refer to a third party guy, but all I can say Umer was just a dog in chains without Aqa Ali ( A.S ) if you want prove the point that he was an ally and not an enemy I would just say Umer is not even a grain of sand under Aqa Ali ( A.S )'s feet. You cannot deny the fact that Aqa Ali ( A.S ) is the one who was closest to Allah. All I can say he held on to his patience fed the Umer but people went exaggerating called him as his adviser and even after this to make your and mine ends meet, I think it would be implausible one of the example When Ali was hit with the poisonous sword by Ibn-e-muljim ( L.A )and when the latter came to meet Aqa Ali ( A. S ), Ibne muljim was treated with milk? Now if this question rises to be a paradox. A layman like me wont be able to answer in that context because its fate of Ali ( A.S ).
When Abu baker stole the inheritance of Ma Fatima ( A.S ) do you have any idea what Lady Fatima ( A.S ) mustve been through?
I dont know about the fact where the house revered to Aqa Ali ( A.S ). So I wont talk about it that wont make a difference about it would it?
Everyone knows Usman was a disaster he had no ballz including him here is a waste of time.
Why posting unnecessary even last tym when I Asked "whether the reformists are shia?" I think it was you the wise guy who gave me bunch of crap Im not trying to compare past and present all I'm just trying to share my views and get yours and yah whatever you wrote beyond my comprehension because thats totally not asked for.

And yet, Ali was powerless to do anything against the first 3 khalifas of Islam!!

THIS IS WHAT I CALL JEHAD and you call it being powerless!!!!
Even Imam Hussain ( A.S ) couldve won the battle but.....Oh well I knew this would come up!!! take a second and think about the Glorious Ali ( A.S )

Well, in that case, consider the reformists doing JEHAD against your masters!!

Even Imam Hussain ( A.S ) couldve won the battle but

Well, then why didn't he? Wouldn't his victory be better than his defeat? Have you ever heard about the "Khatte Angoor" story?

Oh yes sir!! go ahead I would even acknowledge your fight!!!. I really dont wanna talk to you on any topic coz ur such a ......
*Alright ban me but I really cant stand myself without abusing this bozo* "khatte angoor" what a loser!!!

You don't want to talk to me on any topic cause I would strip you naked and put you on display in front of everyone as I have already done. It is better to accept defeat, or in your words "JEHAD" and disappear, you nutjob.

lol! no no anajmi the reason m not talking to u that coz i find u a ....!! Defeat is a very big word for u, someone who asks questions like these. Im here just to gain knowledge but arses like u are infuriating. Its embarassing man I like you man but I refrain myself talkin to ppl like u.lol!!

anajmi wrote:You don't want to talk to me on any topic cause I would strip you naked and put you on display in front of everyone as I have already done

look at this ..... praising himself. My my my what a loser!! get a life!!
lol!!!!!

Al Zulfiqar wrote:admin,

bingo has crossed all lines of civility and reasoned debate. he does not deserve to be on this forum. his immaturity, crass behaviour and language are totally out of place here and he is giving this forum a bad name.

He represents what he leaned at Waiz and Sabak, He can not be faulted for his shortcomings.

,Bingo
, I really dont want to refer to a third party guy,

Now since it seems like you have no brain let me guide you slowly
If you do not want to refer to a third party guy in reference to Reza Aslan's Book
let me ask you did Allah speak to you directly what do you think Quran came thru a third person.
Do you talk to Imam U Zaman who talks to Syedna and then his Aamils and slaves tell you the tall stories so it that a direct communication between
you and Imam U Zaman or is it a third person
Again you can not be faulted for your short comings, since your brain if you have one is not capable of understanding the references.

Yup ban me, people above I agree I behaved like an animal I just felt it but I'm not sorry for it coz anajmi is someone who should be ban for asking stupid questions, this really infuriates me, he is a loser and will remain one no matter what, he's like those little bitches who'll do anything for the sake of argument, keeping a spirit of learning is a better choice than just to speak without thinking.
SBM.lol I dont go to sabaks and stuff because I hardly get time. Whatever I said about anajmi was very subtle. Y so obsessed always referring me to abdes.
Im not giving a bad name to this forum but only anajmi.
No I dont talk to Imam U Zaman or Dai, it is my individual knowledge that Ive gained over the years, I Know its not up to the mark even to the slightest point to the members here because I believe in learning not to just put up a pointless argument like that loser anajmi but whatever it is I'm speaking it out. So this is all comes down the "references", I havent read the book by Reza Aslan well may be Aqa Ali ( A.S ) was the closest adviser but that doesnt make Aqa Ali ( A.S ) as his ally because Aqa Ali ( A.S ) was just doing merely out for Islam and the Rasul ( S.A.W ). This is a miracle of Aqa Ali ( A.S )
Umer (L.A) himself said "If not for Aqa Ali ( A.S ) he'd be doomed" Imagine Islam in the hands of that loser all by himself he was just a khalif for the worlds sake but everyone knows that Aqa Ali ( A.S ) was the rightful leader of Islam after Rasul ( S.A.W ) .I'm sure you know about the day of mehraj.
Lets make it simple but it is also very complex at the same time, (pretty oxymoronic) this is what it is.

I agree I behaved like an animal

Umer (L.A) himself said "If not for Aqa Ali ( A.S ) he'd be doomed"

When Hazrat Ali came to power, there were a lot of problems which we all know about. His followers came to him and questioned him about why Islam and muslims were in trouble during his time when there was a lot of prosperity during the time of the first 3 khalifas. Hazrat Ali's response was that the first 3 khalifas had Hazrat Ali on their side and Hazrat Ali has people like this weasel, bingo, on his side.

Islam doesn't allow you to work for the devil even if you might think it for the benefit of Islam. This is crap that is fed to people like you and hence even when you open your mouth, all that comes out is crap!!

Anajmi cud u jot down the problems that occured when Aqa Ali ( A.S ) became a khalifa, dont u think dat it wud be betta if those three losers had not become Khalifs then the problems wouldnt have occured, even if they were I'm sure Aqa Ali ( A.S ) faced it unlike those losers would turn to Aqa Ali ( A.S ),
Your Usman Gani like a brainless pooch drained all the sultanates money, Umer the merciless creep, Abu bakar the retard thief.
This is a privilege for putting me aside of Aqa Ali ( A.S ), but no way I'm just a follower of Aqa Ali ( A.S ) and not even a good one coz i no my sins are too many, I'm even happy if I'm able to do Tasbih and Azadari of Aqa Ali ( A.S ) that would mean a whole world for me.
No religion would allow someone to work with devil, as I said the three losers were just for the namesake, It was Aqa Ali ( A. S ) who dealt with all the major problems it doesnt mean Aqa Ali ( A.S ) was working with them because as I said they arent even a grain of sand under Aqa Ali ( A.S )'s feet.
As I said Aqa Ali ( A.S ) was the rightful leader after the Rasul ( S.A.W ) but this was forcefully taken by these people but Ali ( A.S ) waited because non violence was the way of the valiant Ali ( A.S ) and this was Jehad, unlike those 3 losers and u!!!

^ bingo do your own research and find out what was the history, dont puke here what u are feed-ed in your slavish majlises.......

SHIASM is to much emotionalized to fool mass, reality is different from how it looks from shia perspective....

ALI ibn ABI TALIB (salwaat on him and his rightful progeny Ameen) is/was most capable person to handle dawah matters after Muhammed(s), but people with slavish mentality didnt let him lead ummah.....