The 4 Castes in Dawoodi Bohra religion

[Conscíous]

Bhai rang,
I must also confess, I find it VERY odd that the media/newspaper, didn't find out about this interesting story.. How did you come to know all the facts and details you've given us and the investigators side of the story, if none of this was in the media/newspaper??

Isn't this the same Pakistan we are talking about, where the Americans were raiding the farmhouse of bin laden, and the world already knew what was happening in some remote countryside and all this you've told us, happened in a highly populated area, and no media/newspaper wrote about this?? And why would the police with special guns raid in the middle of the night?? Aren't night raids for dangerous criminals, drug lords and terrorist ??
plus you were allowed to roam around the police station, while you were one of accused, which is also very odd.. And the Scene you've describe, sounds a lot like something out of bollywood..

And the link Br Maqbool provide,, are the owners of those companies, Bohra??
Thanks..

[Al Zulfiqar]

I have 6 employees in my shop and none is Bohra, because I face the same Problem. I kicked all the Bohras out as I was tired of hearing same nonsence every day.

i agree with this. i have over decades recruited literally hundreds of employees in india, the middle-east, and in the west and what was initially a genuine intention to provide livelihood to our own people – bohras - soon turned into a nightmare. i have had the same issues: theft, not only material theft of goods and money, but of time. they were the biggest kaamchors. I have to attend this majlis, or this vaez, or relay of mola, or darees, muzakerat, sabaq, jumoa namaz, taabbudat, etc b.s. i had other muslim employees too, they took some time off for namaz on Fridays, but a max of 20 mins, whereas our guys went off for 2 hours! in ramzan, in the middle-east, most companies in retail and distribution worked a second shift after maghrib-esha and iftar for 2 hours to finish servicing clients, as ramzan is the peak period for certain business sectors. all my employees were muslim and all turned up on time, but the bohra staff refused to come back to work and demanded special concessions. as a corporate policy we disallowed it, obviously it would amount to discrimination against the others. they would then, most reluctantly, show up late, be grumpy, not perform at par and if involved in field duties, they would lie about their visits and disappear. this resulted in having a demoralising influence on the other staff as they perceived it as an outright prejudice and injustice against them.

this situation was untenable and if any strictures were enforced against them, they would bad mouth me in the jamaat and make it appear that not only was i was a cruel and sadistic boss, but a munafiq for not allowing them to practice our religion and not being a proper religious bohra myself! it soon became a ‘familiarity breeds contempt’ scenario, as each and every bohra employee i had, had connections with someone who knew someone else and that someone knew me or knew some jamaat committee member or even the amil and pressure was applied on me to be lenient with these lousy fellows. I couldn’t even fire them straightaway as then i would be in bigger trouble because every bohra has some connections with every other bohra and they would eventually find someone who knew me, or their family members came crying to me and begging me to keep this ‘poor’ bohra as a favour.

believe me, it was a more difficult job getting rid of these rascals than recruiting them. we had to find some valid excuse or the other, within the law, in finally seeing the last of these people. i resolved a long time ago, as part of corporate policy, never to recruit or employ any bohras ever again. the same set of guys will toe the line for non-bohras, who will not tolerate their crappy excuses, but when they work for a bohra boss then we are supposed to be understanding and let them take off for any or all types of b.s. sorry, that aint happening on my watch.

work is worship and although religion and its practice is important, it cannot be made an excuse to avoid work and cause losses to your employers. the prophet and ali balanced both their responsibilities. they worked hard for an honest living and did not spend a life of indolence at someone else’s expense

[Conscíous]

Bhai AZ,
I totally agree with you that bohra's that work for other bohra, have bad work ethics.. But I think, that has a lot to do with the long and hard hour they have to work and the poor salary they receive, and how they're been treated has a lot do with their performance.. I have rarely seen salary increase for those working for bohra.. While the boss is busy buying titles, bungalow and expanding his business..

[shapur]

Actually sirs, you must understand the fine difference in mindset between a DB staff and others. A DB will NEVER join you with a long-term aim because its a part of faith to have his OWN set-up rather than work for others. So he is there only to learn your skills and also, to try and steal your clientele- all in a short time and at the earliest. So wheres the question of adherence to time norms, work ethics, bla bla ? Bcos his policy is- If you keep him in the job its good, but if you chuck him out, its still better. He will be back with a bang and a vengeance with a table besides you- sitting on the same side as you.

[Bohra spring]

Bhai rang,
I must also confess, I find it VERY odd that the media/newspaper, didn't find out about this interesting story.. How did you come to know all the facts and details you've given us and the investigators side of the story, if none of this was in the media/newspaper??

Isn't this the same Pakistan we are talking about, where the Americans were raiding the farmhouse of bin laden, and the world already knew what was happening in some remote countryside and all this you've told us, happened in a highly populated area, and no media/newspaper wrote about this?? And why would the police with special guns raid in the middle of the night?? Aren't night raids for dangerous criminals, drug lords and terrorist ??
plus you were allowed to roam around the police station, while you were one of accused, which is also very odd.. And the Scene you've describe, sounds a lot like something out of bollywood..

And the link Br Maqbool provide,, are the owners of those companies, Bohra??
Thanks..

Boom unless you can prove that the story is false by contacting Pakistan Bohris...there is no reason to doubt the incident happened

I

[Conscíous]

Bhai shapur,
I agree with you, but where did this mindset originate from?? I'm guessing, from there forefathers,, because if a bohra is working for some other bohra today, the chances are, the father was also a worker.. And how far have they come in comparison to their bosses today?? Nowhere near.. I know of many common people that are in the same place as they were for 20 years ago or even worst.. That could be the reason, they've adopted to this mentality??
And I'm well aware of, what's being preached today about setting up one's own business..

He will be back with a bang and a vengeance with a table besides you- sitting on the same side as you.

hehe.. this I can resemble with

[Conscíous]

Boom unless you can prove that the story is false by contacting Pakistan Bohris...there is no reason to doubt the incident happened

Br BS,
I don't need to, because those who already have contact's/family/friends in Pakistan, haven't heard a word about this And by the way, I haven't ruled this out yet
I'm more interested to hear, how did Br Rang know, about the investigators side of the story..

[rang]

For 1 year there was an internal enquiry which was confidential. After 1 year the FBR gave the news to the Media but not in detail and even on TV they just gave a few second slides for a day or two. To the Print media they just gave the Fraud amount and name of few companies. I don’t know why. It's possible that many high ups were also involved in this scandal, so to help them for safe exit they might have given the news breakout on a very low profile. Moreover the Ministry was also afraid of IMF; Because Pakistan is in Heavy Debt from IMF, and these types of flaws in Revenue collection. Could have lowered their points in the 2nd Loan installments. Well God’s know better what the reason was.
Police and FIA peoples were equipped with special armaments. Beside Bohras many other peoples were involved in this Fraud. When the Police raided the homes of MQM People and Pathans on Sohrab Goath they were under heavy fire. The FIA wrapped up the operation and left the Area. Many Pathans got themselves registered with the FBR from Waziristan and Tribal Belt. They issued the Fake invoice from their Places with offices in Karachi. The Americans and Russians’ were failed to fight these Pathans then how can our force fight them. So the police were ordered to carry special guns with them when they go for raid and only at night (It was their part of strategy). From Karachi the Bohras were in Majority. Many Memons left the Country before the Raid were conducted, as they were informed from the insiders. I think this was the reason why Media was kept away, as they might have feared that after getting news all the culprits will ran out of Country or get under ground.
It was not the Police Station. It was a Special cell Temporary made at the Tax Collection Office. Now it was not written on my face that I was also one of the accused nor Any FIR was launched against my company or me. I was only issued a Notice to pay the amount as I purchased fake invoice. FIR was launched on those companies and Peoples who generated/made Fake invoice and printed other Government Documents. Many of the invoices were genuine and were purchased by me after paying the Tax. But the companies who issued me the real invoice themselves purchased the Fake invoice and on the basis of that fake invoice they issued me that genuine invoice. So I was asked to pay even for those invoices against which I had already paid.
All visitors were allowed to visit and meet their relatives, so it was not anything special.

[rang]

Dear Mr. Boom, Ask any of your Friend or Family members in Karachi about the incident, but before answering you they must take the Oath on QURAN. Ask them how raids were conducted. You know what? Most of the Bohras in Karachi are Business man. And 100% of them have been the Buyer's of Input Invoice. So It would be embarrassing for them to confess. Amreli Steel Paid 80 corer and Saify Iron Mart (All Shk's) Paid 50 Corer. Millwalas and Valika Walas also returned some Big amount. Haidyr Jamat Secretary and Clifton Jamat Secretary also returned the amount.
From you post I feel I am the only Guy who confessed my guilt and Crime, BATA Shoes ,KESC , PASMIC , Pharama Industries , Lever Brothers and 100's of Multi are also involved.