Qiyam,
All you had to do is simply check back what I wrote in case you overlooked. Here it is again:
"as long as the person believes in GOD, nothing must stop one from marrying the other, by GOD's Will". This person could be absolutely anyone on earth, regardless of race, colour, gender, ethnicity, fame, etc.
Other than Muslim First, it is pretty obvious what I mean and needs no further clarification.
advice on marriage outside the community
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Danish,
I took your statement "as long as the person believes in GOD" to mean a person who believes in God as muslims, christians, and jews..based on your other comments...and so my comments are correct. If you meant believes in God as a mumin believe in Allah...please disregard my comments.
I took your statement "as long as the person believes in GOD" to mean a person who believes in God as muslims, christians, and jews..based on your other comments...and so my comments are correct. If you meant believes in God as a mumin believe in Allah...please disregard my comments.
Re: advice on marriage outside the community
Ghazala,
As long as both of you believe in true ONE GOD and do righteous works, that is all that matters. This is the finesse of ones' belief and the ultimate salvation. Therefore, no one must stop you and nothing should hinder, for GOD Almighty has given you the brains, eyes and ears to study, understand and perceive your own given situations. Your parents and other family members will eventually succumb to your married environment and this will yet add and set-up a good example for all humans alike who believe in HIM Alone. So go ahead and marry the Christian friend of yours and enjoy your life in the way you want it to be, remembering GOD often, by HIS Will. The only one you should be afraid of is GOD Almighty. All the best to you.
GOD, there is no other god but GOD. HE has no partners and none equals HIM. Be HE Glorified.
As long as both of you believe in true ONE GOD and do righteous works, that is all that matters. This is the finesse of ones' belief and the ultimate salvation. Therefore, no one must stop you and nothing should hinder, for GOD Almighty has given you the brains, eyes and ears to study, understand and perceive your own given situations. Your parents and other family members will eventually succumb to your married environment and this will yet add and set-up a good example for all humans alike who believe in HIM Alone. So go ahead and marry the Christian friend of yours and enjoy your life in the way you want it to be, remembering GOD often, by HIS Will. The only one you should be afraid of is GOD Almighty. All the best to you.
GOD, there is no other god but GOD. HE has no partners and none equals HIM. Be HE Glorified.
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In Ghazala's first post, her friend is a Christian and then in her second response, I read that her friend is not a Christian but rather an atheist. She is confused herself and changes the entire matter. If she marries a disbeliever, then she disobeys GOD's commands and thus becomes a disbeliever herself. If she is patient enough to convince her partner to believe in GOD (not by false pretense) and then marries him, she has fulfilled her obligation to marry him and thus the judgement lies with GOD.
[2:221] Do not marry idolatresses unless they believe; a believing woman is better than an idolatress, even if you like her. Nor shall you give your daughters in marriage to idolatrous men, unless they believe. A believing man is better than an idolater, even if you like him. These invite to Hell, while GOD invites to Paradise and forgiveness, as He wills. He clarifies His revelations for the people, that they may take heed.
[24:3] The adulterer will end up marrying an adulteress or an idol worshiper, and the adulteress will end up marrying an adulterer or an idol worshiper. This is prohibited for the believers.
The verses above speak for themselves.
[2:221] Do not marry idolatresses unless they believe; a believing woman is better than an idolatress, even if you like her. Nor shall you give your daughters in marriage to idolatrous men, unless they believe. A believing man is better than an idolater, even if you like him. These invite to Hell, while GOD invites to Paradise and forgiveness, as He wills. He clarifies His revelations for the people, that they may take heed.
[24:3] The adulterer will end up marrying an adulteress or an idol worshiper, and the adulteress will end up marrying an adulterer or an idol worshiper. This is prohibited for the believers.
The verses above speak for themselves.
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Re: advice on marriage outside the community
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Danish
One question:
Is it not Catholics (Your wife's religion)are like Bohra's. They believe in Trinity (Panjatan Pak for Bohra's). Pope like Syedana. Confessins clears sins etc. etc.
So Catholics are not really believers in one God and only God (Your Criteria).
Should a Quranite like you marry one who associates partners to one and only God?
Honest Answer Please.
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Danish
One question:
Is it not Catholics (Your wife's religion)are like Bohra's. They believe in Trinity (Panjatan Pak for Bohra's). Pope like Syedana. Confessins clears sins etc. etc.
So Catholics are not really believers in one God and only God (Your Criteria).
Should a Quranite like you marry one who associates partners to one and only God?
Honest Answer Please.
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Muslim First,
I wrote:
[5:82] You will find that the worst enemies of the believers are the Jews and the idol worshipers. And you will find that the closest people in friendship to the believers are those who say, "We are Christian." This is because they have priests and monks among them, and they are not arrogant.
[5:83] When they hear what was revealed to the messenger, you see their eyes flooding with tears as they recognize the truth therein, and they say, "Our Lord, we have believed, so count us among the witnesses.
[5:84] "Why should we not believe in GOD, and in the truth that has come to us, and hope that our Lord may admit us with the righteous people?"
[5:85] GOD has rewarded them for saying this; He will admit them into gardens with flowing streams. They abide therein forever. Such is the reward for the righteous.
[5:86] As for those who disbelieve and reject our revelations, they are the dwellers of Hell.
Majority of the Christians believe in the Trinity Doctrine, but not all. Just like majority of the Muslims take Muhammad's and Ali's name in their Shahada and Salaat and Azaan etc. to partner with GOD, but not all.Is it not Catholics (Your wife's religion)are like Bohra's. They believe in Trinity (Panjatan Pak for Bohra's). Pope like Syedana. Confessins clears sins etc. etc.
I wrote:
Yes, my wife is a Christian and she is a believer of ONE GOD and not the trinity.married a foreign believer (a Catholic)
[5:82] You will find that the worst enemies of the believers are the Jews and the idol worshipers. And you will find that the closest people in friendship to the believers are those who say, "We are Christian." This is because they have priests and monks among them, and they are not arrogant.
[5:83] When they hear what was revealed to the messenger, you see their eyes flooding with tears as they recognize the truth therein, and they say, "Our Lord, we have believed, so count us among the witnesses.
[5:84] "Why should we not believe in GOD, and in the truth that has come to us, and hope that our Lord may admit us with the righteous people?"
[5:85] GOD has rewarded them for saying this; He will admit them into gardens with flowing streams. They abide therein forever. Such is the reward for the righteous.
[5:86] As for those who disbelieve and reject our revelations, they are the dwellers of Hell.
Not all. Just like the majority of Muslims are not true Muslims.So Catholics are not really believers in one God and only God (Your Criteria).
Nope. I thank GOD for HIS mercy and blessings. Mahsa-Allah, Alhamdu-Lillah.Should a Quranite like you marry one who associates partners to one and only God?
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Ghazala,
Qiyam: “My comments may seem judgemental and harsh...but they are the truth” (rather presumptuous in my opinion )
Jinx: “Forget about it..unless you are strong enough to face the world alone” (uh..hmm…perhaps you are considering marriage because you don’t want to “face the world alone” !)
Dilber: “If he is WHITE forget marrying him.....it is THAT SIMPLE” ( what is this I hear about Islam preaching tolerance ?)
Dilber (double-whammy): “The truth is that we do not live in an ideal world and problems arise in situations such as this” (Just as problems arise when driving a car, or operating machinery…you interpret that one !)
Asma: “Think about it practically, does this man's love outdo all that is important to you?” (Does it have to ?)
Asma (double-whammy): “do not force or encourage anyone to converting into Islam when they do not beleive in the religion” (Did you tell your parents that when they were raising you ?)
Asma (triple-whammy): “No one on this forum has the right to tell you what to do” (please read your post above)
Muslim First: “Once again straight answer as per Quran please” (Which version, Pickthall, Malik, or Yusuf Ali ?)
Qiyam: “Thus Allah's criteria for marriage is firmly established” (see above)
Do you really want this group to give you advice ?
Qiyam: “My comments may seem judgemental and harsh...but they are the truth” (rather presumptuous in my opinion )
Jinx: “Forget about it..unless you are strong enough to face the world alone” (uh..hmm…perhaps you are considering marriage because you don’t want to “face the world alone” !)
Dilber: “If he is WHITE forget marrying him.....it is THAT SIMPLE” ( what is this I hear about Islam preaching tolerance ?)
Dilber (double-whammy): “The truth is that we do not live in an ideal world and problems arise in situations such as this” (Just as problems arise when driving a car, or operating machinery…you interpret that one !)
Asma: “Think about it practically, does this man's love outdo all that is important to you?” (Does it have to ?)
Asma (double-whammy): “do not force or encourage anyone to converting into Islam when they do not beleive in the religion” (Did you tell your parents that when they were raising you ?)
Asma (triple-whammy): “No one on this forum has the right to tell you what to do” (please read your post above)
Muslim First: “Once again straight answer as per Quran please” (Which version, Pickthall, Malik, or Yusuf Ali ?)
Qiyam: “Thus Allah's criteria for marriage is firmly established” (see above)
Do you really want this group to give you advice ?
Re: advice on marriage outside the community
Danish,
Not to pick at bones...but the primary Chiristian doctrine is that Jesus is either the son of God or God in-human form. A person cannot be a Christian (according to Christians) unless they believe in this first. So for you to say your wife believes in One God is indictive that she doesn't follow the established Christian doctrines. She would be called a Hanif (arabic for monothesit). Which is find..but it should be clarified.
Secondly, the trinity doctrine is not in any ways the same as taking Muhammad's nor Ali's name in the shahadah (proclaimation of belief). Each name has a specifier of their position...and both are positions of servants of Allah. The only thing that makes them praise worthy is their obedience to Allah. The trinity is a doctrine of God head..God in three forms (omipresent being, sprit, man). They cannot be compared.
Not to pick at bones...but the primary Chiristian doctrine is that Jesus is either the son of God or God in-human form. A person cannot be a Christian (according to Christians) unless they believe in this first. So for you to say your wife believes in One God is indictive that she doesn't follow the established Christian doctrines. She would be called a Hanif (arabic for monothesit). Which is find..but it should be clarified.
Secondly, the trinity doctrine is not in any ways the same as taking Muhammad's nor Ali's name in the shahadah (proclaimation of belief). Each name has a specifier of their position...and both are positions of servants of Allah. The only thing that makes them praise worthy is their obedience to Allah. The trinity is a doctrine of God head..God in three forms (omipresent being, sprit, man). They cannot be compared.
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Qiyam,
You seem to be residing in a lost world. Wake-up and smell the world around you. It has changed and is changing drastically. All I'm doing is simply ringing bells.
GOD, there is no other god but GOD. HE has no partners and none equals HIM. Be HE Glorified.
You seem to be residing in a lost world. Wake-up and smell the world around you. It has changed and is changing drastically. All I'm doing is simply ringing bells.
Wake-up and stop day-dreaming! They are not like the majority of the Muslims who confess that one must proclaim Muhammad's name with GOD's name (shias even add Ali's name thereafter) in order to become a Muslim. This is absolutely absurd, ridiculous and has no basis whatsoever. There are very many Christians who believe in the Absoluteness and Oneness of GOD who never take Jesus's name. The same goes for some of the Jews that I personally know of. Just because their traditions and rituals are different, doesn't mean that they uphold anyone or anything other than GOD Almighty. Be HE Glorified.Not to pick at bones...but the primary Chiristian doctrine is that Jesus is either the son of God or God in-human form. A person cannot be a Christian (according to Christians) unless they believe in this first.
All I can say here is to talk some sense before you start mumbling about people you have no idea about. In other words, you know your own family members better than I do, understand.So for you to say your wife believes in One God is indictive that she doesn't follow the established Christian doctrines. She would be called a Hanif (arabic for monothesit). Which is find..but it should be clarified.
GOD, there is no other god but GOD. HE has no partners and none equals HIM. Be HE Glorified.
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Dear Danish,
It is obvious you know as little about Christianity as you do Islam. Then you'd learn something about Christian's doctrines.
"...who confess that one must proclaim Muhammad's name with GOD's name (shias even add Ali's name thereafter) in order to become a Muslim"
--Muslim take Muhammad as the messenger of Allah, Ali as vice grent of Allah. These have NO part of Allah.
"This is absolutely absurd, ridiculous and has no basis whatsoever."
--It is written in the Quran...how can you say such ignorant statement.
"There are very many Christians who believe in the Absoluteness and Oneness of GOD who never take Jesus's name."
---Again...this is against Christian canon. The closest to monothesitic Christians are coptic Christian...yet even they take Jesus as the son of God.
"In other words, you know your own family members better than I do, understand."
---I didn't say I knew your family or their belief better than you. I said according to what you said of your wife's belief of God don't coincide with Christian doctrine. Not unlike your beliefs of the role of Muhammad go against what the Quran teaches of his prominance. You and your wife have beliefs...doesn't mean you are scholars of your beliefs.
And just a note...I have many friends who are sunni mullahs, shias mullahs, catholic priests, christian ministers (orthodox greek, protestant, baptist), and jewish rabbis. I may not support their belief entirally...but I respect their beliefs.
It is obvious you know as little about Christianity as you do Islam. Then you'd learn something about Christian's doctrines.
"...who confess that one must proclaim Muhammad's name with GOD's name (shias even add Ali's name thereafter) in order to become a Muslim"
--Muslim take Muhammad as the messenger of Allah, Ali as vice grent of Allah. These have NO part of Allah.
"This is absolutely absurd, ridiculous and has no basis whatsoever."
--It is written in the Quran...how can you say such ignorant statement.
"There are very many Christians who believe in the Absoluteness and Oneness of GOD who never take Jesus's name."
---Again...this is against Christian canon. The closest to monothesitic Christians are coptic Christian...yet even they take Jesus as the son of God.
"In other words, you know your own family members better than I do, understand."
---I didn't say I knew your family or their belief better than you. I said according to what you said of your wife's belief of God don't coincide with Christian doctrine. Not unlike your beliefs of the role of Muhammad go against what the Quran teaches of his prominance. You and your wife have beliefs...doesn't mean you are scholars of your beliefs.
And just a note...I have many friends who are sunni mullahs, shias mullahs, catholic priests, christian ministers (orthodox greek, protestant, baptist), and jewish rabbis. I may not support their belief entirally...but I respect their beliefs.
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Qiyam,
I am not going to repeat everything I've said again and again to get them pinned down in your head, but I will emphasize again to you to get out of your hybernation and smell the world. You are truely very childish and ignorant when it comes to the Quran or the Oneness of GOD, simply because you have other supports that you uphold such as hadiths (satanic innovations), dead people and other living gods that you obey.
Just for your information: I pray in a mosque where submitters (Muslims in Arabic) from all walks of life (different cultures and religions) come together and submit ourselves to perform Salaat to GOD Almighty ALONE without any differentiations whatsoever, specially on Fridays due to afternoon congregational prayers (sermons included). Every Sunday we all get together to have Quranic study sesson, where we the submitters and many newcomers, recite the Quran and ask questions to understand various insights without being prejudice. No hadiths and no mullahs are to be found. Thank GOD. Be HE Glorified.
I am not going to repeat everything I've said again and again to get them pinned down in your head, but I will emphasize again to you to get out of your hybernation and smell the world. You are truely very childish and ignorant when it comes to the Quran or the Oneness of GOD, simply because you have other supports that you uphold such as hadiths (satanic innovations), dead people and other living gods that you obey.
The name of Muhammad and Ali added or joined up with GOD is nowhere to be seen in the Quran. So don't you even dare start lying about GOD's words. Shame on you. In case you want to refresh your memory, I've already discussed and concluded this issue not too long ago on this very forum while debating with Porus. Revert back and check it out.--It is written in the Quran...how can you say such ignorant statement.
Just for your information: I pray in a mosque where submitters (Muslims in Arabic) from all walks of life (different cultures and religions) come together and submit ourselves to perform Salaat to GOD Almighty ALONE without any differentiations whatsoever, specially on Fridays due to afternoon congregational prayers (sermons included). Every Sunday we all get together to have Quranic study sesson, where we the submitters and many newcomers, recite the Quran and ask questions to understand various insights without being prejudice. No hadiths and no mullahs are to be found. Thank GOD. Be HE Glorified.