GHAIB NA JAANKAR

[Rebel]

This is so true that opinions will always vary upon the beliefs of the individuals. The problem with our system is that the masses believe that the community leaders are ghaib na jannkar, which I feel is beyond my understanding. I feel that science does provide many proofs,verification and validation of occurrences that takes place in nature and life. The problem lies in the fact that if we can't understand the logic behind some occurrences we attribute it to be an act of miracle and associate it with a human being and this should not be the case.
It is Allah that creates miracles and perhaps these miracles can be associated to human beings such Prophet and Imams but again every other person you meet would interpret, think and reply to this in varied ways.

[fustrate_Bohra]

The whole concept of islam is humankind which means in the interest of ordinary people, now you all tell me if rasullallah and imams had shown supernatural powers to fight against evil tyranny of yazid who was just a normal human, islam would have never survive. The message what this grt religious leader wants to deliver was if you follow the path that is written in book of guidelines that is quran you will always live with dignity and prosper. Please do remember that quran was meant for ordinary people like us and rasullallah and imams created by god is just to set an eg for us.

Hope i was able to made my point.

[Rebel]

Yes, so true the concept of Islam was to help and alleviate the downtrodden and to protect the interest of the ordinary, poor and oppressed. But we are not allowed to read Quran with meaning so how do we understand what the guidelines are? I did read someplace or someone did wire this into my brain that at least Prophets did have ability to perform miracles or was this a corrupt kothar ploy to damage my mind.

[salaar]

point is was rasoolallah and panjatan ghaib na jannar? it is not that they ever used supernatural strength as some may call it because they were sent among ordinary people by Allah therefore to create insaaf they never used their powers to create a disbalance in the meezan and the course of nature but were they capable of doing it, if not then you are denying all the maujizas which were exhibited by them and as revealed in our history of panjattan, pls iam not inviting comments from wahabis because yes for them all this is meaningless besides Allahho but beware if sunnis or other believers deny this concept then you naturally fall in the wahabi category.

[humanbeing]

Why is it difficult for people to believe or be inspired from simplicity and spirit of human nature rather then thump down supernatural ability to place your faith in them.

Why is it necessary to have “Ghaib-na-janaar” ability in prophets and panajatan ? would you not believe them, if they faced their life as unexpected as you or me, they made difficult choices in face of adversities.

Can we discuss the mojizaas here !

[salaar]

you have to draw a line now stating clearly do you feel rasoolallah and panjatan are ordinary people and because of their efforts they propagated islam otherwise they are like us ordinary folks is that what you believe?

[fustrate_Bohra]

Yes, so true the concept of Islam was to help and alleviate the downtrodden and to protect the interest of the ordinary, poor and oppressed. But we are not allowed to read Quran with meaning so how do we understand what the guidelines are? I did read someplace or someone did wire this into my brain that at least Prophets did have ability to perform miracles or was this a corrupt kothar ploy to damage my mind.

Yes ryt and that is the reason we are so dumb when it comes to the preaching of quran. Except Dawoodi bohra cast no other religion restrict followers to understand the meaning of their holy books than y us?

[fustrate_Bohra]

you have to draw a line now stating clearly do you feel rasoolallah and panjatan are ordinary people and because of their efforts they propagated islam otherwise they are like us ordinary folks is that what you believe?

Yes brother salaar this is what i feel that because of their efforts, long sightedness, sacrifices, ability to distinguish right frm wrong, brave deeds, remain loyal to haq in whatever circumstances and above all value every human being make them different or in other words we can call them massiah otherwise they are ordinary man like us. Please dont take me wrong i m very much dawoodi bohra.

[Spectator]

Sufi monkji I have come with a clear mind and that too on an Islamic forum. Perhaps if you had used the word bombs instead of the other word (which I see you have edited out) I would not have remarked.

[Spectator]

Sufi monkji please mind your language. Anajmi may get a bit overzealous with wahabbism and it is irksome but can I remind you that readers of both sexes visit this forum. I don't mean to be a prude but certain words are just not appropriate on a forum such as this. I feel sometimes that there is too much testosterone fuelled mudslinging going on here. Please gents, calm it down.

I was talking about bomb blasts which they make every day on street of pakistan/iraq and syria.

next time come with clean brain on ISLAMIC forum.

[humanbeing]

you have to draw a line now stating clearly do you feel rasoolallah and panjatan are ordinary people and because of their efforts they propagated islam otherwise they are like us ordinary folks is that what you believe?

There is no drawing line, my understanding of Islam, Prophets, Ahel Bayt is a lot simpler. I don’t twist and complicate to suit idol worshipping tendencies in humans. Anyting magical is supernatural.

Prophets and anyone else in history are ordinary people, who made history doing extra ordinary ! It is far more exciting, inspiring, admirable to learn the feat of those men and women who created a revolutionary history and shaped the world we know today.

They were not magicians, they were plain people who had blood running through their veins, people with fear and doubt in their minds who overcome those struggled ( jehaad) with their ownself and inspired others ! they took decision keeping righteousness in mind and not because they were programmed to do so. They had free will to exercise, which they did and faced the consequences. They faced difficulties unexpectedly of what is coming next. They suffered pain, hunger, bankruptcy, loss of dear ones, joy of victory and anxiousness of unknown. These qualities are a must to make us human.