What is the use of Bohras Zakaat?

[badrijanab]

Forget Zakat, bohras themselves, their Jaan, Maal, Aaal, everything they have BELONGS to More-La. More-La is their Master in this world and world after; they are petty and cheap slaves of Qasr-e-Mawalli; they are insects for these so-called royals; Abdes/Amtes Live and Die for More-La, period.

The concept is correct, but more-la is incorrect.

Example) During era of Prophet Mohammed s.a.w.w. he was "Mola" & "Peshwa" of the then mumineens = jaan, maal ka maalik and dearer then they themselves.

[Rebel]

The primary purpose of bohra zakat to increase the bank balance of kothar. With the money that we so graciously provide them they will buy more businesses and properties for themselves and their families. Travel abroad for vacations, eat the best, wear the best, ride the best cars and enjoy themselves.

[JC]

Forget Zakat, bohras themselves, their Jaan, Maal, Aaal, everything they have BELONGS to More-La. More-La is their Master in this world and world after; they are petty and cheap slaves of Qasr-e-Mawalli; they are insects for these so-called royals; Abdes/Amtes Live and Die for More-La, period.

The concept is correct, but more-la is incorrect.

Example) During era of Prophet Mohammed s.a.w.w. he was "Mola" & "Peshwa" of the then mumineens = jaan, maal ka maalik and dearer then they themselves.

Well, for one I agree with Badrijanab!!

[Nafisa]

i). Your style of interrogation is typical like a commander of Saify Mahal Gunda force,isn't it?
ii). Do you want to know about me to kill me as per Saify Mahal mafia tradition?
iii). Why are you diverting attention of the readers from the topic of misusing of the Zakaat funds of the Bohras?
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For your kind information I am Dawoodi Bohra, studied in Jamea Saifiya, Surat and passed 9 Darajah. My father,uncles,grandfather from both side were Aamils. I have observed lives of Qasre **li very closely. Often our Asatiza compared like this in Jamea:
Aga Khan Ni Misal Moula Ney government Ye protocol Apu, Ajab Moula Ni Shaan Chey
Aga Khan buildings banavi award Apey Chey, Ane Moula Ye Tu Fatemi Asaar Banawi Muslemeen Ne award Apu Chey.
Jem Aga Khan Nu Band, Scout, Girls guide, Guards Chey Eaij Misal Apna Moula Nu Bhi Chey.
TV,News Papers Ma Jaim Aga Khan Nu Awey Chey Tem Apna Moula Nu Bhi Awey Chey.
Governor,CM,Prime Minister, President Jaim Aga Khan Ne Maan Patar Ape Chey Tem Moula Ney Bhi Ape Chey.
List of comparison is long, what can I do?

Qasre **li is the bunch of evils. Their source of survival is fresh blood of Mumineen only. Unless they will not shoot by firing squid, Bohra will not be free from the clutches of Satan. Read history of Russia,France,China etc, you will get answer.

I have never seen a Jamiya girl speak like that. Which Jamiya you were in???

If you were in Jamea tus Saifiyah then how many shafahi imtehaan have you cleared and what all were your major subjects wherein you have provided your thesis. I will look upon your reply for this.

[true_bohra]

Thats what I call a silly reply.

I didnt ask your name or sirname or other personal info. If you are a jamea pass out then yiu cant even answer how many shafahis have you cleared, I pity that...

And i am not divertingthe topic, the topic stands in its place, the only thing is that I wanted to share some serious religious topic with a jamea passout.

So can you answer my simple question????

[JavedhJuma]

Mr. 52:

And now finally about the aga khan there imam he doesn't follow any sayings of Qur'an and rasul (saw). And about him I will tell U don't tell me any thing I have two family as my neighbor so.

What do you mean? Prove it that Aga Khan doesn't follow the Qur'an. If you want to discuss this in length, please open a new topic In Islam forum so the subject here does not get distracted.

Are you by anychance related to Moniginis, because your English is baseline and your accusations are stupid. And what do you mean by And about him I will tell U don't tell me any thing I have two family as my neighbor so.

Are you basing your stupid accusations on the basis of your neighbors, who I bet are more educated, sophisticated and not fitnati like you. You probably tried to do fitnahs with them and they kicked your butt huh?

[JavedhJuma]

And one last thing ur aga khan has led his people in such a darkness and has been misguided that no Muslim community in the whole world has been guided like this so don't bring that man in this topic. What he has done and what not ? Every body knows him what he has done..

Well, enlighten me who everybody is? and what darkness are you talking about? There is no Muslim community in the world that is as advanced, enlightened, educated, doing a lot of charity, volunteerism (even the U.N. praised the volunteerism of the Ismaili community). They practice charity, they obsere their prayers, they fast and they go on hajj provided they have money to perform hajj without borrowing or without taking money from Karze Hasana (which is non-existant). If you do not have money, you do not go on hajj. Nobody should coerce you. I do not want to list when you can and cannot perform hajj. Find out from your Amil.

So tell me what he has done. And who is everybody that knows what he has done? And I will prove to you, you and they are fools. Go ahead.

[JavedhJuma]

and its shame on you people that being in large number you people are not able to do anything about the things you think as wrong.

I would like to tell u one thing stop reading and writhing this blogs because everything written over here or any where on internet is not TRUE so u should verify the acts first and. The authentication of the said thing before you say any thing. And if u are so much hurt by then enter into ur jamaat members and then reach up to The Dai and ask him about all this and clean up . Cleanliness begins from home my dear and it just doesn't begin with just talking over here it begins with action..

Please take your own advice. You are an illiterate person. Nafisabahen is very literate. You can tell from her penmanship. As far as you are concerned looks like you did not even finish fifth grade. You say "everything written here and on internet is not true". So I guess what you have been writing here is all lies. Thanks for confirming my thought. You are a liar!

[JavedhJuma]

Hello52

The person aga khan U say that U want to replicate. Nafisa the financial problem acrocity which our community faces ( as U say) is less then the his propel faces you have not seen his aaiyashi .

You are a very pathetic person. I feel sorry for your parents.

What financial problem the Ismailis face. You at least admit, "Nafisa the financial problem acrocity which our community faces ( as U say) is less then the his propel faces you have not seen his aaiyashi "

Really??? Everybody in the world except you, Moniginis and one other, I prefer not to name, unless he shows up, thinks we are harassed. Listen, we do not have financial problems. We give if and when we want to. When we go to our JamatKhanas, we do not need e jamat cards, and we do not have to pay for where to sit. It is first come first served basis. We do not have lavish jamans. We do not go to eat there but to pray to Allah SWT. We go for Ibadaa in the early hoursrs when most of Ummah is asleep. During Ramadan, we begin our fasts at home and end at home with very simple food, so we can wake up for early morning Ibadda.

[JavedhJuma]

Nafisa, how much you are being paid by Aga Khanis- to propogate their praise- here in this forum.

Aga Khanis do not pay anybody to propogate their faith. Those who join us or praise us have been gifted by Allah SWT to keep their minds and eyes open. World sees us through clean lenses and not foggy lenses like some people on this forum. World compares us to the others and sees that we are very enlightened people, we believe in charity, we believe in Ibadaa, we believe in helping people, we believe in loving the people of Allah's creation although they hate us because of our prosperity.

Imam's children have to earn their living. They are employed by the Imam. If you have a stomcah to read, please read this: http://ismailimail.wordpress.com/2014/0 ... ilimail%29

[JavedhJuma]

[quote][To name a few 1) sleeps with a new girl every day . And this is prohibited in Islam 2) he has told his followers that HAJ is not complulsory on you all the basic tenets of Islam he has removed except the tenent of "ZAKAT" This people have to give him the same way we give to our Dai. I say why he did not remove that also why he needs zakat . If U say that charity can be done by the Wealth of other people . And this is charity than let it be Mubarak to you dear . And the money he collects uses to make gardens world over and other works why can't he do sone thing for his community people . And again he is the imam he should have made the first attemp to revive the fatemid heritage world wide instead he kept on creating the gardens. But our Dai he not only revived the fatimid heritage should the world what the fatemids were and there knowlegde and also he helped his people to rise and has changed the face of the community in his life time . And for his work he his know in the worlds as aamat tus sultan , fatemi sultan this are the names he his refereed by the kings of Saudi Arabia ,UAE , and all the other countrys , my Dai lifted the people of Yemen by removing the plantation if qaut a drug which even the goverment of Yemen could not do . This is what he did now did ur AGA khan did ./quote]

You really make me laugh. So much ignorance? Are majority of people in your community like You? I doubt it because I have met very fine people who abhor what is going in your community but have nowhere to go because of family and social ties. Mind you, they do not care about their Souls, Nafs which is the only thing that will accompany them and no family and no friends are going to go with them. After 40 days, you will be out of their minds.

Now, you claim that Aga Khan sleeps with different girl everyday. I did not even want to answer this nonsense but the reason why I am doing it because I do not want other ignoramuses on this forum to join you because of their hasd of our Imam. If a man sleeps around when do you think he will have the time to do what he does in the world on a daily basis? If you have guts, go to http://www.akdn.org and click on each agency and see what he does every day and night?

My advice to you is, if you do not know anything about a person, please read up or shut up, because you are making a fool of yourself. Besides slander is a biggest sin, bigger than a murder. Go ask your Dai.

[JavedhJuma]

Hello52

HAJ is not complulsory on you all the basic tenets of Islam he has removed except the tenent of "ZAKAT" This people have to give him the same way we give to our Dai. I say why he did not remove that also why he needs zakat . If U say that charity can be done by the Wealth of other people . And this is charity than let it be Mubarak to you dear . And the money he collects uses to make gardens world over and other works why can't he do sone thing for his community people .

Of couse, Hajj is not compulsory on anybody. He does not have to tell us that. God has given us brains. Hajj is good to perform in your life time, Allah SWT says, but if you do not have resources, it is not compulsory. You can't perform hajj if any of your family member is in debt; even if your neighbor is in debt, etc. You do not borrow from Karze hasanat to go on Hajj, if somebody tells you, you can, then he is committing sin.

Aga Khan has not removed any tenets of Islam. Your dirty mind has been brain washed by Most Merciful, who is God of some people on this forum and his book is their holy book. They put Qur'an aside, which teaches them to stay away from fitnahs, and run to his site or his books to read so they can do fitnahs knowing very well fitnas are Guna Kabira! They are all hell bound along with you.

all the basic tenets of Islam he has removed except the tenent of "ZAKAT" This people have to give him the same way we give to our Dai.

Correction brother, We do not have to "give him the way you give your Dai". When we give nobody knows how much. Whether we give or not, nobody is going to knock on our door to give. Your comparison is very low level to satisfy your ego. We do not have to bargain. There is no fixed date on which we have to give. So don't rub the balm on others. Just massage your own head.
[quoteIf U say that charity can be done by the Wealth of other people . And this is charity than let it be Mubarak to you dear . And the money he collects uses to make gardens world over and other works why can't he do sone thing for his community people .[/][/quote]

There is nothing wrong with doing charity by other people as long as it is done and given for that urpose. It is a sin to pocket it and use it for your own Ayashi. Nafisa bahen is right. He does not use our money to do Ayyashi. He runs his own businesses too. Our money given to hiom as Zakat is definitely used for charity. Visit the site I told you about and see how many projects he runs in developing countries. Not one person in the whole wide world does that. Show me one person whose charities are spread all over the world.


One more post is coming your way.

[JavedhJuma]

And the money he collects uses to make gardens world over and other works why can't he do sone thing for his community people

It shows how much you know about this noble person, and our beloved Imam. What is wrong with gardens. Did you know that where Al-Azhar park stand today, there was a garbage dump! People were staying around this dump. He removed people from there, paid them money and built apartment buildings to settle them first.

Once they were settled, the dump was cleared and in the process Ayubid wall was discovered. Now Ayubids were enemies of Fatemis and people told him to break it. He refused saying it was Islamic heritage. It was reconstructed. Once the dump was cleared, soil samples were taken and soil was imported. Specialists advised what kind of plantation would survive...etc. Go google. You guys are good at that.

The building of park took sevral years but Egyptian were gainfully employed and to this day many people have jobs in restaurants in the park, caretakers, guides, etc. are employed. Locals have place to go during hot days. Revenue comes from tourists.

You will never understand this because you have only half a brain. But just google.

[JavedhJuma]

And the money he collects uses to make gardens world over and other works why can't he do sone thing for his community people . And again he is the imam he should have made the first attemp to revive the fatemid heritage world wide instead he kept on creating the gardens. But our Dai he not only revived the fatimid heritage should the world what the fatemids were and there knowlegde and also he helped his people to rise and has changed the face of the community in his life time . And for his work he his know in the worlds as aamat tus sultan , fatemi sultan this are the names he his refereed by the kings of Saudi Arabia ,UAE , and all the other countrys , my Dai lifted the people of Yemen by removing the plantation if qaut a drug which even the goverment of Yemen could not do . This is what he did now did ur AGA khan did .

Aga Khan takes good care of his community. He uplifted them from Africa and Afghanistan when they faced danger. Other communities took advantage of his evacuation and he allowed them to board his planes which he had chartered from the Canadian government.Ask any educated person of any faith. It seems you do not watch the news. He built and opened in Hyderabad a school which is based on International curiculum. It is not the only school, but anyway, he built it there because a lot of his followers are there. He had started the school when your SBUT project started. And this was not the only project he started at that time. He had also started Humayun's tomb restoration, Jamat Khana and Islamic Art museum in Toronto, extended hospital in Kenya, etc. and many other projects. They were all finished and some are near completion. No money was looted from anybody. He heard that women and children in Nizamuddin Abad had no place to go in the evenings so he built a partk there where men are prohibited.

As regards Fatemid Heritage, just go to Islamic heritage and read on the site I quoted here..Then come and tell me who did how much for the fatmid and Islamic heritage and how many Muslims won prizes for their projects. Don't be an ignorant man and open your mouth where you would have to put your foot in later on.

May Allah SWT give you and your ignorant brothers and sisters, like you, Taufeeq to read before they leap into gutter.

[salim]

I was thinking of not entering into to this debate. But now i feel that I should contribute my 2 cents as well. hello52, I understand that you are trying to protect someone who you love, and spread the love you have received. But you should be careful that in your love you do not do Gunnah of wrongly blaming someone else.

Here are the governments and companies that are working with Aga Khan Foundation to help improve life of the people

http://www.akdn.org/partners.asp

Do you think all these are idiots? or paid?

I don't know where you got all wrong information about Aga khan sleeping with girls? Did you hear this from your Amil. If that is the case, you should get this Amil fired from his post. He is not taking you to the right path.

You said Ismailis have a lot more financial crisis - I don't know where you got your stats from? 2008 - 2012 were not very good for ismaili, but they were not good for everyone. If you want to know what's going on in ismaili world every day - visit this website
http://ismailimail.wordpress.com/
You don't have to read all the articles, just read headlines.

You said we are not good - then how come Kothar came to Aga khan recently to get help with their bhendi bazar project. I am not saying we are the only one helping. We help you, you help us and we all grow together. Ismailis get help from Bohras as well.

But the problem comes when you saying wrong things.

[salim]

Dear Hello52,

This is what prophet Muhammad said -

“Truthfulness leads to righteousness, and righteousness leads to Paradise. In addition, a man keeps on telling the truth until he becomes a truthful person. Falsehood leads to wickedness and evil-doing, and wickedness leads to the (Hell) Fire, and a man may keep on telling lies till he is written before God, as a liar”. (Saheeh Al-Bukhari)

“Let he who believes in God and the Last Day either speak good or keep silent”. (Saheeh Muslim)

Now don't tell me I am not Shia as these hadiths are from Bukhari and Saheeh. The above is universal truth. Every religion should agree with the above.

[Rebel]

Aga Khan takes good care of his community. He uplifted them from Africa and Afghanistan when they faced danger. What has kothar done to save the people who are living in fear from Talibans? Community has already been targeted on several occasions in Pakistan. Will they help community men and women move and help them settle in another country? or will they only do duas for people who will die if God forbid a mass genocide takes place against the innocent members of the community as we have seen it in India.

[Nafisa]

It is ripe time that every Bohra should ask first himself what is the use of his Zakaat? When he get answer and reached the conclusion that his Zakaat is fully using for Haraam Khawri and Ayyashi of residents of Saify Mahal, he should immediately stop funding so called Dai and his family.
From this Ramadan I will not pay them.

I must address to the mouth Piece of the Nazim Dai (Wagar Nass Na Putla) !
Shame on you and your master. All uplift cry and so-called scholarships are fraud schemes. No full scholarship for community children. Ask your Moula to learn the meaning of charity from Ismaili Nizari Imam Aga Khan whom he loves to copy only in self glorification and his projection. Don't attack Aga Khan, if he is spending money that is his pure wealth, and not looted from his community. He is a real prince, designated by England, France, Austria, Germany etc, while Mufaddal is a fake “His Holiness”, which is not inherited designation. Aga Khan is not an international beggar like Mufaddal Saifuddin, who round the year remains busy in looting money from the Bohras and even not spare poor Hammal.

Current Dai is a descendent of beggars. Read the history of Dawat, 50th Dai Abdullah Badruddin collected money as a beggar from early morning till Zuhr Namaz, daily. He visited every shop of Mumbai Bohras and begged them to spread his Saya: "Bhai ! Dawat Par Qarz Chey Utarwa Ma Madad Karo"
This Qarz + Sood was due to the Ayyashi of 47th Dai Abduqadir Najmuddin who spent Qarz amount lavishly on the weddings of his children. After him 48th Dai Abdulhusain Husamuddin and 49th Dai Muhammed Burhanuddin and 50th Dai Abdullah Badruddin added in that Qarz more. This huge amount was paid with bulk Sood by the Mukhlis Dawat Khidmat Guzaars in the final phase of 50th Dai Abdullah Badruddin. 51st Dai Taher Saifuddin was found of grandeur and luxury. Soon after his appointment, he migrated Mumbai only in the lust of wealth. He converted Dawat into family business. His greedy children helped him fully to build an empire becoming Vampire for the community.

For your kind information, I am Dawoodi Bohra, studied in Jamea Saifiya, Surat and passed 9 Darajah. My father, uncles, grandfather from both side were Aamils. Why I have compared with Aga Khan is not my fault. Often my Asatiza in Jamea compared like this:
Aga Khan Ni Misal Moula Ney government Ye protocol Apu, Ajab Moula Ni Shaan Chey
Aga Khan Buildings banavi award Apey Chey, Ane Moula Ye Tu Fatemi Asaar Banawi Muslemeen Ne award Apu Chey.
Jem Aga Khan Nu Band, Scout, Girls guide, Guards Chey Eaij Misal Apna Moula Nu Bhi Chey.
TV,News Papers Ma Jaim Aga Khan Nu Awey Chey Tem Apna Moula Nu Bhi Awey Chey.
Governor,CM,Prime Minister, President Jaim Aga Khan Ne Maan Patar Ape Chey Tem Moula Ney Bhi Ape Chey.
List of comparison is long, what can I do?

Is it a sin to recognize the services of Aga Khan, he is doing for entire humanity?
Is it a crime to acknowledge the light spreading and darkness of illiteracy is disappearing by Aga Khan worldwide through his numerous institutions and generous scholarships?
Perhaps our three Dais, 51st, 52nd and current disputed 53rd have spend only 10% of their earnings from Zakaat funds for such welfare works, even only for the community, then today poverty graph should be low. If two years total collection of Zakaat is distributed among poor class Bohra then the situation would be changed. O Besharam! If Zakaat of the community used properly then poor residential colonies in slum areas must be shifted in good locations in each cities, where Bohras are living today like dogs.

Bohra women are not found of prostitution, nor our girls love to become call girls. No one loves to enter into the hell of prostitution. Can I explain how and why a woman accepts worst then death life? When she observed her parents are dying without medicines and no source of income and even Aamil give them Shifa Tawiz and Tasbeeh of Ya Tahir 215 times and Ya Muhammed Burhanuddin 92 times and say Moula Nu Wasilu Laiju, Shifa Thasey, then the poor girl has no way except drink bitter cup of death in the form of prostitution. Go and see outside of every Bohra Mazaar in India you will find Mumineen beggars with tearful eyes. To hear their painful facts you couldn't control your sentiments.

I have observed lives of nasty Qasre **li very closely. They are bunch of evils. Their source of survival is fresh blood of Mumineen only. Unless they will not shoot by firing squad, Bohra will not be free from the clutches of Satan. Read history of Russia, France, China etc, you will get answer.

Stop funding Kuthaar or provide them less amount just to maintain your account and remaining large amount you should spend in charity from your own hands. Allah is great and see your intention and also observing the crime of the leader. He will give Jaza both, as per deed.

[ghulam muhammed]

Let the abdes answer the following questions :-

1) Has the Dai built any school of international standards where Bohras are given FREE or subsidised education ?
2) Has the Dai built a single college of international standards where Bohras get FREE or subsidised education ?
3) Has the Dai built a single Hospital where Bohras get FREE treatment or subsidised treatment ?
4) Has the Dai built a world class orphanage where poor Bohra orphans can grow up respectfully ?
5) Has the Dai built any Old Age Homes where family elders who are tortured by their children can stay peacefully ?
6) Has the Dai built any townships or colonies where poor Bohras can get FREE houses or houses at cost price ?
7) Has the Dai started any charitable institutions where poor Bohras can get life savings medicines FREE of cost ?
8 ) Has the Dai started any Blood Banks where Bohras can get FREE blood in life saving situations ?
9) Has the Dai arranged for a bench of lawyers where poor Bohras can fight court cases FREE ?
10) Has the Dai ever used his political connections to get justice for harassed Bohras like Ehsan Jaffri and his wife ?

The Dai can do ALL of the above only if he donates his ONE YEAR income looted from Bohras by way of Wajebats, Ziafats, Mafsusiyats, Hadiyats, Masjid Waqf amounts, Chammar services and the cash and gold collected on his birthdays.

[ghulam muhammed]

Bro javedhjuma,

I have heard that whenever Aga Khan visits India, the Khoja community gives him crores of rupees which he collects from cities like Surat, Hyderabad, Mumbai etc but at the time of his departure he not only gives back the entire amount to the respective jamats but also adds an equal amount from his personal account, all of which has to be used for the welfare of the community. Kindly clarify.

[adna_mumin]

Sr Nafisa

Believe that is a re-post of many earlier posts? It appears with all the outrage and frustration you are bordering on abuse, name-calling and resorting to objectionable language.

[Mkenya]

Excellent posts with very well researched information on the Aga Khan and his proven achievements in educational, scientific, social and cultural undertakings.

I have had the good fortune of growing up with members of the Ismaili communities in East Africa and in the last forty years have been proud to participate in their projects in Canada. In my travels through the Hunza valley in Pakistan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Syria I saw hospitals, clinics, schools and so on built by the Ismaili community under the guidance of the Aga Khan. Of course, the Ismailis pay dues to the local jamaats but they also benefit directly from it. In Canada there are large Jamaat Khanas in many cities and towns. All Jamaats are individually managed by local people appointed by the Aga Khan. They have committees to handle all aspects of Ismailis lives. They have committees that make real estate decisions, handle amicable divorce settlements, build and manage seniors homes, and so on. In Canada and the US their very high profile annual activity is the 'Partnership Walk' which attracts thousands of people from all walks of life who donate millions of dollars for specific projects; whether they be in Accra, Ghana or Gilgit in Pakistan or Georgia. I personally know of various professionals who take leave of absence from their regular jobs to donate their time and expertise on these projects.

The point I am alluding to is that there is simply no basis of comparison. A very simple analogy is that while the Ismailis are in a rocket the Bohras are on a bicycle. What is there to compare! One can compare Mackintosh apples to Gala apples. But one cannot compare a rotting papaya to a stinking duraini. Bohras, and I say the majority, are doomed to their subservient lives of participating in Ziarat, Jamans, Waez, Daris, Maatam and so on. That is the only life they know. For mainly women these activities are intricately linked with their social lives. MS has directed that women should stay at home, make rotis, do not seek employment, get married and 'wasti wadharo'. He is preventing women to seek education and thereby keep them 'bobos'. And Kothar is winning. Just observe some of their pictures of tears-drenched faces and sweat-drenched ridas exhibiting outpouring of grief with the 'namaste' obedience.

Bhakt Kabir (a Muslim originally) summarises our Dai and his Kothar in this eloquent Doha:

Bada Hua To Kya Hua, Jaise Ped Khajoor
Panthi Ko Chhaya Nahin, Phal Laage Ati door

Translation
In vain is the eminence, just like a date tree
No shade for travelers, fruit is hard to reach

[Rebel]

Let the abdes answer the following questions :-

1) Has the Dai built any school of international standards where Bohras are given FREE or subsidised education ?
2) Has the Dai built a single college of international standards where Bohras get FREE or subsidised education ?
3) Has the Dai built a single Hospital where Bohras get FREE treatment or subsidised treatment ?
4) Has the Dai built a world class orphanage where poor Bohra orphans can grow up respectfully ?
5) Has the Dai built any Old Age Homes where family elders who are tortured by their children can stay peacefully ?
6) Has the Dai built any townships or colonies where poor Bohras can get FREE houses or houses at cost price ?
7) Has the Dai started any charitable institutions where poor Bohras can get life savings medicines FREE of cost ?
8 ) Has the Dai started any Blood Banks where Bohras can get FREE blood in life saving situations ?
9) Has the Dai arranged for a bench of lawyers where poor Bohras can fight court cases FREE ?
10) Has the Dai ever used his political connections to get justice for harassed Bohras like Ehsan Jaffri and his wife ?

The Dai can do ALL of the above only if he donates his ONE YEAR income looted from Bohras by way of Wajebats, Ziafats, Mafsusiyats, Hadiyats, Masjid Waqf amounts, Chammar services and the cash and gold collected on his birthdays.

They have not done any of the above nor would they do it. They are already pushed the community into dark ages...they only want to hear bhajans of "moula moula" from the their ghulams. What would you expect from spiritual head who considers their followers as ghulams. Shame on them for driving the community into the womb of darkness.

They might have some charitable work in progress but it is only for those bohras who do sajdas to kothar day and night, with long beards and surround the bhaisahebs and Amils doing ghulami for them and in return they would get some mavasat or subsidy in housing on dawat properties. But the price is too high for those who receive charity or subsidy as the men and women have to live as the personal ghulams of bhaisahebs, Amils or other jamat members.

[JavedhJuma]

Bro javedhjuma,

I have heard that whenever Aga Khan visits India, the Khoja community gives him crores of rupees which he collects from cities like Surat, Hyderabad, Mumbai etc but at the time of his departure he not only gives back the entire amount to the respective jamats but also adds an equal amount from his personal account, all of which has to be used for the welfare of the community. Kindly clarify.

To be honest, brother, I do not believe so. If it happens in India then it should happen everywhere. We have a very uniform system. I think this is a distortion. Now, if he does Mehmani which is equal to kadambosi, (only we do not bow to him or kiss hands or feet),, there is a fixed amount of 7.50 which ever currency you use, be it dollars,, rupees, shillings, pounds, etc. You, and your family give that to the Priest, and he in turn gives you a plate with sukameva, sakar, coin, etc. and you bring that to the Imam when it is your turn and he blesses it and returns to you. Even this has been rare these days because Imam is busy with the governments and his projects, so that not only Ismailis but other communities benefit from his involvement with the government.

He stays with the Jamat for an hour and gives guidance on spiritual and material world. Explains the community the purpose of his visit with the government and putting forth projects for the benefit of the people of the country.

He never takes a penny from his murids. Those who want to contribute still, they can do so to his network which is involved throughout the world. And this is the honest truth. All the rest is gossip and envy and people's own creation because they do not like what he does while their own leaders are busy fighting if not among theselves then with others.

[JavedhJuma]

MKenya, thanks for validating the Ismaili Imamat's leadership. Very few will have courage to do so. Others will run to google and if they cannot find any fitna, they will come out and shout, Ismailis do not fast, do not say Namaz, etc. Even though that is not true. Their claims are based on their Most Merciful Allah's fitnati book in their hands. They will not quote Qur'an wherein it clearly states Libel and Slander are biggest sins, etc.

Anyway, we continue our peaceful existence under the saya of our Imam. We are lucky to have him. Al-Hamdullillah! Shukran Allah!

[JavedhJuma]

Dear brother Salim: You say

You said Ismailis have a lot more financial crisis - I don't know where you got your stats from? 2008 - 2012 were not very good for ismaili, but they were not good for everyone. If you want to know what's going on in ismaili world every day - visit this website

2008-2012 were bad times for everybody, but didn't the Imam warn us of that during his Golden Jubilee celebration world over in 2007, to be careful about our finances, not to spend foolishly, be conservative, etc. and in the end he told us, (becase he thought we were scared) that this in not going to be a long situation, it would be temporary, but he did not want us to be lavish. He did not want to see any of his spiritual children to be unhappy, and in debt.. " Be conservative, and prudent." This is what he told us in 2007 in the USA.

I think almost all Ismailis took his advice and apart from a very few, others did well.

[salim]

Bro javedhjuma,

I have heard that whenever Aga Khan visits India, the Khoja community gives him crores of rupees which he collects from cities like Surat, Hyderabad, Mumbai etc but at the time of his departure he not only gives back the entire amount to the respective jamats but also adds an equal amount from his personal account, all of which has to be used for the welfare of the community. Kindly clarify.

Hi Ghulam Muhammed,

This is past tradition. This use be a good way to start a big projects at the time of Sultan Muhammad Shah Aga Khan (predecessor of current Imam). Since current Imam's silver Jubilee (that is around 30 years ago), he saw that more and more Ismailis are graduating with good education, he started talking more about Time & knowledge Donation. So slowly money got replaced by time and knowledge. If you have talented people, the Return On Investment on Time & Knowledge is far more than money contribution.

Aga Khan limits ismaili leaders and different committee members to raise funds. To raise funds, emotional lectures are strictly not allowed. Fund raising can't be followed by a religious festival where people get carried away and pay more than what they suppose to pay. The fund raising starts with an announcement in Jamat khana. Here is the format of announcement - "XYZ committee is looking for donors, if you want to donate please contact the committee". Now if you want to donate to the committee, you go to them, they are not allowed to come to you. If you want to donate you can go to the committee, they show you their performance and where money went so far, and where money will go in future.

Many times your check gets returned back to you, because Aga Khan wants committees to not raise more than they can deliver. Not all committees get all the funds they want. But if they are not getting the funds they are suppose to prove themselves and then people will come to them to donate.

Let me tell you what happened a few weeks again - With Aga Khan's emphasis on Early Childhood Education, now every Jamat Khan has Early Childhood Education Center. Before this use to be under Education committee. But now this is developing into its own committee. Since its new committee funds does not come easy. My friend heads this in our Jamat Khana. She wanted more money then she was getting, announcement in Jamat Khana was not helping her as much. She had a lot of lavish plans, all for good. So she started approaching people. Since she can't "ask" for donation, she started asking indirectly. She comes and say, I am head our Jamat Khan's ECEC, we have lots of good plans. And she stops there. So she was called and asked to not do that.

Actually, this works very well. People get frustrated when you ask them money, if they don't know where money is going. So if a committee keep good accounting records, proves himself a little bit then it's easy to get funds. And everyone contributes when they become beneficiary. Plus it is important that a hit program should not be over funded, otherwise the money can't be used properly and the program will not remain hit. No leaders is allowed to ask for donation (including zakat) to individuals. The only way to approach is to make an announcement in Jamat Khan. And the announcement needs to be short with NO emotional string attached. I can be a Ismaili and not pay a single penny, no one will every know.

[salim]

Dear brother Salim: didn't the Imam warn us of that during his Golden Jubilee celebration world over in 2007, to be careful about our finances, not to spend foolishly, be conservative, etc. and in the end he told us, (becase he thought we were scared) that this in not going to be a long situation, it would be temporary, but he did not want us to be lavish. He did not want to see any of his spiritual children to be unhappy, and in debt.. " Be conservative, and prudent." This is what he told us in 2007 in the USA.[/color]
I think almost all Ismailis took his advice and apart from a very few, others did well.

Yes Javed, Aga Khan did warn about it. But still many Ismailis faced a lot of difficulties, (i mean Many). I volunteer for economic planning board, we give crisis grants to those who have sudden need of money, this grants are given to those who are not covered by any other committee. So our target members are those who suddenly loose their jobs, home, business, etc. In that period (2008-2012) the grants we ended giving increased many folds. This was the period when donations got decreased as well. We ended up loaning the money from National Board. 2008-20012 this period we did see increased number of people with depression and other psychological problems.

And by no mean I am ungrateful. Ismailis are economically very settled, we are very highly educated committee. Almost every country we live we have very good success stories. Last week I was reading UK's top Asian achievers and there are a lot of ismailis in there. This is true for all other countries where ismailis live. Ismailis do rank in the top list in most of the countries they live in. All the top universities in the world have a strong Ismaili Student's Association, which is getting bigger and bigger Masha Allah. In a few top colleges half of the Muslim population is ismaili.

So by no mean I am ungrateful. But that does not mean everything is green. Things have improved after 2012. Some found their old glory back, some are in process and some other are still struggling. I pray for them that their difficulties should be reduced.

[Rebel]

In a few top colleges half of the Muslim population is ismaili. Can anyone verify this statement with factual statistics?

[Nafisa]

53rd false claimant of the seat of Dai, Mufaddal Bhai has no concern with "Haya", which is main faculty of Imaan, as per Hadith. Rasulullah(SAWAW) says: "When Haya is disappeared then what ever you wish you can do". Aqal Ke Andhoo Ku Khoob Looto

Let the abdes answer the following questions :-

1) Has the Dai built any school of international standards where Bohras are given FREE or subsidised education ?
2) Has the Dai built a single college of international standards where Bohras get FREE or subsidised education ?
3) Has the Dai built a single Hospital where Bohras get FREE treatment or subsidised treatment ?
4) Has the Dai built a world class orphanage where poor Bohra orphans can grow up respectfully ?
5) Has the Dai built any Old Age Homes where family elders who are tortured by their children can stay peacefully ?
6) Has the Dai built any townships or colonies where poor Bohras can get FREE houses or houses at cost price ?
7) Has the Dai started any charitable institutions where poor Bohras can get life savings medicines FREE of cost ?
8 ) Has the Dai started any Blood Banks where Bohras can get FREE blood in life saving situations ?
9) Has the Dai arranged for a bench of lawyers where poor Bohras can fight court cases FREE ?
10) Has the Dai ever used his political connections to get justice for harassed Bohras like Ehsan Jaffri and his wife ?

The Dai can do ALL of the above only if he donates his ONE YEAR income looted from Bohras by way of Wajebats, Ziafats, Mafsusiyats, Hadiyats, Masjid Waqf amounts, Chammar services and the cash and gold collected on his birthdays.