Re: The Quran on hunting and killing of animals for sport
Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 10:40 pm
Who ever destroys nature for fun is out of Islam and he is mardood.
http://www.dawoodi-bohras.com/forum/
Prophet [S.A.W] said: "No human being kills a sparrow or [something] larger, without right, except that Allah will ask him about it (hold him responsible!) on the Day of Judgement." It was said: O Prophet of Allah! What is its right? He said: " Its right is that you slaughter it and eat it, not that you decapitate it!" (Al-Nasa'i, 7/ 207)
Prophet [S.A.W] said: "A woman who tied a cat will go to Hellfire; she neither fed it, nor allowed it to find food on its own." (Al-Bukhari)
The story of Prophet Nuh and the Flood also confirms the utmost care to prevent the extinction of any species. Allah commanded him to carry a pair of every species in the ark: "…We said: "Embark therein, of each kind two, male and female…" Qur'an, 11:40
Hamza, while returning from a hunting expedition, passed by the same way, his bow hanging by his shoulder. A slave-girl belonging to ‘Abdullah bin Jada‘an, who had noted the rudeness of Abu Jahl, told him the whole story of the attack on the Prophet . On hearing that, Hamza was deeply offended and hurried to Al-Ka‘bah and there, in the courtyard of the Holy Sanctuary, found Abu Jahl sitting with a company of Quraishites. Hamza rushed upon him and struck his bow upon his head violently and said: "Ah! You have been abusing Mohammed ; I too follow his religion and profess what he preaches."Bohra spring wrote:Can the author of above research site examples where he sourced that Hamza AS was a hunter and show evidence that the Prophet SAW or the early companions or ahlul bayt practised hunting for pleasure
Was Hamza (A) also paying 50,000 USD to jungle authority by looting it from people?TaherH21 wrote:Hamza, while returning from a hunting expedition, passed by the same way, his bow hanging by his shoulder. A slave-girl belonging to ‘Abdullah bin Jada‘an, who had noted the rudeness of Abu Jahl, told him the whole story of the attack on the Prophet . On hearing that, Hamza was deeply offended and hurried to Al-Ka‘bah and there, in the courtyard of the Holy Sanctuary, found Abu Jahl sitting with a company of Quraishites. Hamza rushed upon him and struck his bow upon his head violently and said: "Ah! You have been abusing Mohammed ; I too follow his religion and profess what he preaches."Bohra spring wrote:Can the author of above research site examples where he sourced that Hamza AS was a hunter and show evidence that the Prophet SAW or the early companions or ahlul bayt practised hunting for pleasure
http://www.islamicthinkers.com/new/inde ... n-of-allah
Even if this is the only record of a companion hunting, it does not change the fact that the Fatimid Imam al Aziz AS and al Amir AS hunted as well. So Bohras simply cannot criticise the Dai, without risking criticising the Imams AS
Al-Noor wrote:Prophet Muhammed(salawatullah alai salaam) is biggest authority in ISLAM, and this is his views on killing of innocent animals, now decide by yourself.
Prophet [S.A.W] said: "No human being kills a sparrow or [something] larger, without right, except that Allah will ask him about it (hold him responsible!) on the Day of Judgement." It was said: O Prophet of Allah! What is its right? He said: " Its right is that you slaughter it and eat it, not that you decapitate it!" (Al-Nasa'i, 7/ 207)
Prophet [S.A.W] said: "A woman who tied a cat will go to Hellfire; she neither fed it, nor allowed it to find food on its own." (Al-Bukhari)
The story of Prophet Nuh and the Flood also confirms the utmost care to prevent the extinction of any species. Allah commanded him to carry a pair of every species in the ark: "…We said: "Embark therein, of each kind two, male and female…" Qur'an, 11:40
Al-Noor wrote:Was Hamza (A) also paying 50,000 USD to jungle authority by looting it from people?TaherH21 wrote:
Hamza, while returning from a hunting expedition, passed by the same way, his bow hanging by his shoulder. A slave-girl belonging to ‘Abdullah bin Jada‘an, who had noted the rudeness of Abu Jahl, told him the whole story of the attack on the Prophet . On hearing that, Hamza was deeply offended and hurried to Al-Ka‘bah and there, in the courtyard of the Holy Sanctuary, found Abu Jahl sitting with a company of Quraishites. Hamza rushed upon him and struck his bow upon his head violently and said: "Ah! You have been abusing Mohammed ; I too follow his religion and profess what he preaches."
http://www.islamicthinkers.com/new/inde ... n-of-allah
Even if this is the only record of a companion hunting, it does not change the fact that the Fatimid Imam al Aziz AS and al Amir AS hunted as well. So Bohras simply cannot criticise the Dai, without risking criticising the Imams AS
okay by this logic lets not criticize Hunting but lets criticize ayyashi and waste of money by burhanuddin and mufaddal.
are you happy now?
Al-Noor wrote:Forget about your ismaili bull crap, look at this from humanity view.
is it okay to have blood bath in innocent animal bloods for trophies and for unwanted photo shoot?
First be human then try to be muslim or ismaili.
btw from where does syedna gets money to pay jungle authorities to kill these animals? this money belongs to community and not for ayyashi of syedna. he doesn't have any businesses to pay these bills, poor of community pays for all his ayyashi.
Community don't have any free hospitals/schools/loans for businesses while these leaders waste money for hunting?
show some shame and stop defending these criminals.
Let him also show a single instance wherein Prophet (s.a.w.) indulged in hunting for fun, pleasure and sport. Sunni/Shia Hadiths are always questionable as they were written more then 2 centuries after Prophet (s.a.w.) left for heavenly abode and the ONLY reliable source is Quran so let him prove his point from the divine scripture rather then literatures which are questionable.Bohra spring wrote:is there any evidence that Ali ibn Talib AS went hunting for pleasure?
Bohra spring wrote:What Taher bhai is suggesting that the actions of Hamza AS suprcedes the Quran , and Prophet's SAW advice ...he does not include or endorse the source if Sunni , while his is Shia.It is a matter of judgement ...one wants to follow the Sunnah of the Prophet or instead Jardani, or Hamza
My next question was still not answred ...is there any evidence that Ali ibn Talib AS went hunting for pleasure?
I will hold my comments t of the Imams until we see if Ali, Hassan or Husain went hunting g !
ghulam muhammed wrote:Let him also show a single instance wherein Prophet (s.a.w.) indulged in hunting for fun, pleasure and sport. Sunni/Shia Hadiths are always questionable as they were written more then 2 centuries after Prophet (s.a.w.) left for heavenly abode and the ONLY reliable source is Quran so let him prove his point from the divine scripture rather then literatures which are questionable.Bohra spring wrote:is there any evidence that Ali ibn Talib AS went hunting for pleasure?
Abdes use these same texts to justify the ayyashi and opulent lifestyle of their Dai by citing examples of past Imams who too allegedly lived the same way but they conveniently omit the fact that Imams of those times were like kings/monarchs who governed vast provinces, hence they could have maintained some standards of living whereas the Dai is not a king (only a self proclaimed Sultan) and rules no such provinces, he is a mere vicegerent whose job is to give Dawat and is also much much lower in rank as compared to Imams.
ghulam muhammed wrote:The focus is on Hamza (r.a.) and he is alleged to be a vivid hunter. Even if we presume that he was one then too there are no literatures to prove that he did it for pleasure !! It could well have been for consumption as its very difficult to digest the fact that a person of his stature could indulge in such types of activities which the Prophet (s.a.w.) himself was averse to. It does not require rocket science to figure out that killing of endangered species just for fun is totally inhuman and no divine religion could ever permit it.
Now see what the website says :-TaherH21 wrote:ghulam muhammed wrote:The focus is on Hamza (r.a.) and he is alleged to be a vivid hunter. Even if we presume that he was one then too there are no literatures to prove that he did it for pleasure !! It could well have been for consumption as its very difficult to digest the fact that a person of his stature could indulge in such types of activities which the Prophet (s.a.w.) himself was averse to. It does not require rocket science to figure out that killing of endangered species just for fun is totally inhuman and no divine religion could ever permit it.
What I am trying to get across is that the Holy Prophet SAW was not averse to it, at least according to Fatimid-Ismaili beliefs.
It is well recorded in both Shia and Sunni works that Maulana Hamza AS did hunt lions. I doubt the lions were consumed.
Refer to this Twelver Shia website:
http://www.al-islam.org/hamza-bin-abdul ... l-muttalib
In this case as well as in cases of other Hadiths I do not doubt the credibility of people to whom the narrations are attributed to but the only serious doubts are with regard to the publishers of such texts who in every likelihood could have distorted the sayings as there are no original scriptures written by the noble narrators available to anyone and any hadiths which contradicts Quran should not be given any credence !!TaherH21 wrote:Everything Syedna al Qadi al Nauman RA wrote was verified by Imam al Muiz AS. He being infallible would not let Syedna RA write anything wrong.
Before I point out the severe flaws in the reasoning of TaherH21, I want to say that religion is the refuge of the scoundrel. It is very evident, that the reasoning by TaherH21 is a post-hoc justification for behavior what any sane person would condemn, specially when it comes from the leader of a religious group. Nothing can justify the killing of lions, elephants, water buffalo or any other endangered species by a da'i. No references to so-and-so literature, no amount of references to conservation articles. Nothing.TaherH21 wrote: While I hold the Quran as absolutely supreme, it does not mean other texts are questionable. Everything Syedna al Qadi al Nauman RA wrote was verified by Imam al Muiz AS. He being infallible would not let Syedna RA write anything wrong.