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Does anyone over here know what the meaning of Qardhe Hasana is?? (I may not have transliterated it properly so please forgive me)
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Br Qiyam: Br Mo & I are still waiting for your answers!
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"Qardan hasanan" = A handsome debt; a beautiful loan.
Quran 2:245 and 5:12 refers to Qard Hasana. The meaning appears to be that a human's good deeds are a "beautiful" loan to Allah, who will return the favour manifold.
The Bohra meaning is that Kothar will make an "interest-free" loan from community collection providing a suitable collateral, commonly jewellery, is offered by the person receiving the loan. Depending on your point of view, it is either a trap where the recipient feels obligated to pay the community all sorts of dues or it is freedom from "usury".
Quran 2:245 and 5:12 refers to Qard Hasana. The meaning appears to be that a human's good deeds are a "beautiful" loan to Allah, who will return the favour manifold.
The Bohra meaning is that Kothar will make an "interest-free" loan from community collection providing a suitable collateral, commonly jewellery, is offered by the person receiving the loan. Depending on your point of view, it is either a trap where the recipient feels obligated to pay the community all sorts of dues or it is freedom from "usury".
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porus,
That is exactly right. I wish the Syedna would reveal the exact meaning of Qard Hasana and stop fooling simple minded bohras.
And what is the point of giving an interest free loan to someone who can afford to get it out of his own assets in any case?
There is Allah who promises to return the loan manifold and all he asks is to spend in his way helping others, not helping Allah, but helping other human beings and then there is kothar who is corrupting something most beautiful.
That is exactly right. I wish the Syedna would reveal the exact meaning of Qard Hasana and stop fooling simple minded bohras.
And what is the point of giving an interest free loan to someone who can afford to get it out of his own assets in any case?
There is Allah who promises to return the loan manifold and all he asks is to spend in his way helping others, not helping Allah, but helping other human beings and then there is kothar who is corrupting something most beautiful.
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Dear Mhd. Hussain,
I am well versed in the occurances and usage of Qardha Hasana. There are several ways to obtain this money. One is to put collateral (either jewerly or house or business) against the loan of the money. Another is to have two business people vouch for you. The money is given for 2,3,4,and 5 year periods, with checks made out ahead of time. Obviously, this is not charity...and the idea is to get the money back to be given out again. So to assure the person is creditable, a certain amount of security must be in place.
Dear Mo,
The actions of the amils are known by the jamats...if they don't report these corrupt amils to the Khotar..how is the khotar to know. The amil sure isn't going to report themselves nor his helpers.
Dear Anajmi,
Qardha hasana means the good(ly) loan, asking, or gift. Qardha is based from the word ardha (arza). The method I have described is used by many Islamic sects. It is referenced in the Quran many times:
[2.245] Who is it that will offer of Allah a goodly gift (qardha hasana), so He will multiply it to him manifold, and Allah straitens and amplifies, and you shall be returned to Him.
[73.20] Surely your Lord knows that you pass in prayer nearly two-thirds of the night, and (sometimes) half of it, and (sometimes) a third of it, and (also) a party of those with you; and Allah measures the night and the day. He knows that you are not able to do it, so He has turned to you (mercifully), therefore read what is easy of the Quran. He knows that there must be among you sick, and others who travel in the land seeking of the bounty of Allah, and others who fight in Allah's way, therefore read as much of it as is easy (to you), and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate and offer to Allah a goodly gift (qardha hasana), and whatever of good you send on beforehand for yourselves, you will find it with Allah; that is best and greatest in reward; and ask forgiveness of Allah; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
I am well versed in the occurances and usage of Qardha Hasana. There are several ways to obtain this money. One is to put collateral (either jewerly or house or business) against the loan of the money. Another is to have two business people vouch for you. The money is given for 2,3,4,and 5 year periods, with checks made out ahead of time. Obviously, this is not charity...and the idea is to get the money back to be given out again. So to assure the person is creditable, a certain amount of security must be in place.
Dear Mo,
The actions of the amils are known by the jamats...if they don't report these corrupt amils to the Khotar..how is the khotar to know. The amil sure isn't going to report themselves nor his helpers.
Dear Anajmi,
Qardha hasana means the good(ly) loan, asking, or gift. Qardha is based from the word ardha (arza). The method I have described is used by many Islamic sects. It is referenced in the Quran many times:
[2.245] Who is it that will offer of Allah a goodly gift (qardha hasana), so He will multiply it to him manifold, and Allah straitens and amplifies, and you shall be returned to Him.
[73.20] Surely your Lord knows that you pass in prayer nearly two-thirds of the night, and (sometimes) half of it, and (sometimes) a third of it, and (also) a party of those with you; and Allah measures the night and the day. He knows that you are not able to do it, so He has turned to you (mercifully), therefore read what is easy of the Quran. He knows that there must be among you sick, and others who travel in the land seeking of the bounty of Allah, and others who fight in Allah's way, therefore read as much of it as is easy (to you), and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate and offer to Allah a goodly gift (qardha hasana), and whatever of good you send on beforehand for yourselves, you will find it with Allah; that is best and greatest in reward; and ask forgiveness of Allah; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
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Qard means a loan and is the root word in Arabic. It is not based on any other word. It is spelt Qaaf, Ra, Daad.
It is interesting that Qiyam says it is based on ardha (arza). If he means alif, ra, daad, it would mean the earth. However, in Egypt, where they colloquially pronounce Qaaf as Alif, qard may sound like ard.
Araz meaning 'a request' is an Urdu word and there is no such Arabic word as far as I know.
It is interesting that Qiyam says it is based on ardha (arza). If he means alif, ra, daad, it would mean the earth. However, in Egypt, where they colloquially pronounce Qaaf as Alif, qard may sound like ard.
Araz meaning 'a request' is an Urdu word and there is no such Arabic word as far as I know.
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Thank you Br Qiyam: Yoiu wrote"I am well versed in the occurances and usage of Qardha Hasana. There are several ways to obtain this money. One is to put collateral (either jewerly or house or business) against the loan of the money. Another is to have two business people vouch for you. The money is given for 2,3,4,and 5 year periods, with checks made out ahead of time. Obviously, this is not charity...and the idea is to get the money back to be given out again. So to assure the person is creditable, a certain amount of security must be in place." So you agreed majority of the so called donation by the Syedna was NOT A CHARITY__-I proved my point!
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what about ayn ra daad? e.g.Originally posted by porus:
Araz meaning 'a request' is an Urdu word and there is no such Arabic word as far as I know.
33/72- Surely We offered (ayn ra daad) the trust to the heavens and the earth (alif ra daad)...
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Thanks Muslim for pointing out that ayn-ra-daad (araD) can mean 'offer'. I had considered that word but took a narrower meaning of "display". Like an exhibition is called ma'aariD derived from araD.
This araD is also a root word and has nothing to do with qard.
This araD is also a root word and has nothing to do with qard.
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Dear Mhd. Hussain,
So you agreed majority of the so called donation by the Syedna was NOT A CHARITY__-I proved my point!
--You've missed the entire point. How can one give money for uses as a loan when they don't have it. The money which GIVEN TO THE JAMAT TO USED by the Sayedna (tus) and other muminin in a trust fund which is given to the persons applying without interest for a period of time. If the money wasn't there...there wouldn't be the option to take in the first place.
So what is your point again!?
So you agreed majority of the so called donation by the Syedna was NOT A CHARITY__-I proved my point!
--You've missed the entire point. How can one give money for uses as a loan when they don't have it. The money which GIVEN TO THE JAMAT TO USED by the Sayedna (tus) and other muminin in a trust fund which is given to the persons applying without interest for a period of time. If the money wasn't there...there wouldn't be the option to take in the first place.
So what is your point again!?
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Dear Porus,
Please explain to me how qardha (qaf, ra, daad) which mean loan does not have the root of ardha (ayn, ra, daad) to offer...which in urdu arza or arai is used..it's the same word.
Please explain to me how qardha (qaf, ra, daad) which mean loan does not have the root of ardha (ayn, ra, daad) to offer...which in urdu arza or arai is used..it's the same word.
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Dear Qiyam,
Since you asked, please refer to the Hans Wehr dictionary. The words QarD and ArD are shown seperately under different entries.
If they had the same root, entry for qard would be shown under the entry for ard. The first letter of the roots are distinct Qaf and Ayn.
Since you asked, please refer to the Hans Wehr dictionary. The words QarD and ArD are shown seperately under different entries.
If they had the same root, entry for qard would be shown under the entry for ard. The first letter of the roots are distinct Qaf and Ayn.
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qiyam. you say i should report the amils action to the kothar please the amil has full authority from the kothar to do as he pleases and if seyednas own kids can't report misdeeds to him what chance do we have anyway i think the kothar is well aware of what happens but as long as the money is rolling into the swiss bank accounts they do not care.
the kothar run a multi billion dollar business not a community.
the kothar run a multi billion dollar business not a community.
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Dear Mo,
[1]...you say i should report the amils action to the kothar please the amil has full authority from the kothar to do as he pleases..[/i]
That was your assumption. The amil has full authority to do what he was given raza for...not anything he wants. This varies from amalat to amalat. Other than give a certain level of religious information and performing the duties of the jamat...the amil has very little other raza from khotar. The amil cannot even give a title of mullah to anyone without approval from Sayedna or the khotar.
[1]...you say i should report the amils action to the kothar please the amil has full authority from the kothar to do as he pleases..[/i]
That was your assumption. The amil has full authority to do what he was given raza for...not anything he wants. This varies from amalat to amalat. Other than give a certain level of religious information and performing the duties of the jamat...the amil has very little other raza from khotar. The amil cannot even give a title of mullah to anyone without approval from Sayedna or the khotar.
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Br Qiyam: Please stop twisting your answer just like all the Amils & Kotharis do- I had asked you about the big Donations of Syedna & you answered with ALL going to Qarde Hassna & then you agreed that money given by Qarde Haasna is not a donation so it does n"T take a genius to come to a conclusion that it is NOT a donation So STOP LYING & DEFENDING KOTHAR !
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Br Qiyam: Br Mo is right about the amils- How many times & again we have exposed the atrocities of the Amils? What does the Kothar do? Tranfer them -so they become the headache of the next city 7 the cycle goes on- Haven't you learnt anything yet?
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Isn't this similar to the current crisis in the catholic church where the sick rapist priests were being transferred from one city to the next to hide their crimes!
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Dear Mhd. Hussain,
I did not agree that qardhana hasana is NOT a charity...it is in fact a donation to a trust used for qardhana hasana. I also originally replied that every year money is given by the khotar to support the jamias...as well as maintaining the musafir khannas across the globe. I also stated that money is given to build the masjids that you also have a problem with.
Regarding the amils you supposedly exposed...to whom did you expose them. Every time a post was made saying this amil did this and that...nothing was said for what was done about it. How can you cry for atrocities and do nothing about them?? Apparently you haven't learned anything from the advice given over and over. Nothing happens for those who rumble and grumble, but do nothing .
Dear Anajmi,
To compare the priests to the amils is a pretty far stretch. The amils legacy follows them...bohras are to tight a community for info not to flow...as though it could be hidden.
I did not agree that qardhana hasana is NOT a charity...it is in fact a donation to a trust used for qardhana hasana. I also originally replied that every year money is given by the khotar to support the jamias...as well as maintaining the musafir khannas across the globe. I also stated that money is given to build the masjids that you also have a problem with.
Regarding the amils you supposedly exposed...to whom did you expose them. Every time a post was made saying this amil did this and that...nothing was said for what was done about it. How can you cry for atrocities and do nothing about them?? Apparently you haven't learned anything from the advice given over and over. Nothing happens for those who rumble and grumble, but do nothing .
Dear Anajmi,
To compare the priests to the amils is a pretty far stretch. The amils legacy follows them...bohras are to tight a community for info not to flow...as though it could be hidden.